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[PsyrenY]

Shandepared wrote...

What I wonder is, how often to quarians engage in piracy to expand their fleet? I mean ships are a vital resource, things which make life easier and even save lives. They need them, badly.

So if you are a small independent survey team based off a freigther and you encounter some Migrant Fleet forward scouts in a remote part of the galaxy... what happens? Would they kill you and take your ship, covering the whole thing up? I think it's very possible. I doubt every ship in the Migrant Fleet was procured legitimately.

It seems to me that the hardest part of a scheme like that would be hiding your piracy from the do-gooders in the Fleet. Remember what Tali said; no secrets on the flotilla, all a large family, everyone in your business etc. Even Quarians that objected purely on the grounds of the perception of their species to outsiders would be flatly against stealing ships to bolster the fleet, never mind the ones like Tali that would be against it morally as well.

It's possible to hide some things of course, like the Geth experiments... but (a) that required an Admiral being complicit in order to have the necessary classification, and ( hiding what is happening inside a ship is quite different from hiding the addition of a whole new ship to the fleet.

[Mox Ruuga]

Wasn't there actually a bit about that in the Codex? That Quarians used privateers to get by, at least "back in the day". I wouldn't be surprised if the practice continued to this day.

I actually wouldn't mind, since as it is now the, Quarians have been written as the "Little Orphan Annies" of the galaxy. Blatant sympathy mongering from the writers. Hell, in every ME2 hub world, outside of Tuchanka, there's a plucky little Quarian in trouble you can help out. Had at least one of them been a real lying miscreant, like that murderous Eclipse initiate on Ilium, Quarians wouldn't be so irritatingly blatant attempt at Woobiedom. Every other species, outside of the Hanar perhaps (who are barely in ME2), have a more multi faceted portrayal in the game.

[ObserverStatus]

Nageth wrote...

Er, by that logic shouldn't there be no human spectres since we killed turians?

I never understood why the Yahg got banned from citadel space for doing the same thing Turians did to human explorers.

[LuxDragon]

The Yahg killed diplomatic first contact ambassadors.

The turians/humans was pretty much military on military contacts. Not the best way to greet. Besides, the Yahg killed the ambassadors first. The turians were already a Council species (Can't exactly get into the same kind of trouble) and deemed it necessary to stop the humans from just opening up mass relays recklessly. At least they didn't think humans should've been held responsible.

[lovgreno]

Shandepared wrote...

Optimystic_X wrote...

It seems to me that the hardest part of a scheme like that would be hiding your piracy from the do-gooders in the Fleet.

How would it be hard? Just lie about where you got it. I think there'd be enough practical people who wouldn't want to ask questions and would just sweep it under the rug. It is for a good cause after all.

True. Especialy in lawless areas like the Terminus systems you can hide and get away with almost everything if you have the guns and/or money to back it up. It wouldn't suprise me if some young quarians on a pilgrimage in the Terminus ended up as pirates eventualy.
In our real world people often turns to piracy out of desperation, there is few other options to feed your family. The quarians have lived on the brink of extinction for centuries so it would not be suprising if they turned pirates occasionaly. They are probably officialy against piracy though and keep it away from citadell space as the quarians have little military and political power to defend themselves if they make too much enemies. For these reasons the opinion is probably against piracy among the quarians themselves too.

[alecluk1109]

speaking of which, did we actually fought any Quarian?

[FouCapitan]

alecluk1109 wrote...

speaking of which, did we actually fought any Quarian?

Quarian society tends to keep them all on the same side, the only caveat being exiles like Golo from Ascension.

Something to think about for ME3 though.

[AresXX7]

Shandepared wrote...

What I wonder is, how often to quarians engage in piracy to expand their fleet? I mean ships are a vital resource, things which make life easier and even save lives. They need them, badly.

I'm not too sure they go so far as to actually  commit piracy to expand their fleet.

Here's a couple of quotes from the Codex:

"The quarians earn income in creative ways. Because the government is obliged to provide food, water, air, and medical support for every individual, the Conclave strategically determines the course of the Fleet to bring in resources and income.
A species who suspects the Migrant Fleet is heading towards their space often offers a "gift" of surplus starships, fuel, and resources to alter course."
 
After three centuries, all have been modified to support larger crews as comfortably as possible. As the quarians achieved stability, they began weeding out the ships least suitable for long-term habitation, selling them and pooling the money to buy larger and more spaceworthy hulls. This process is ongoing, as vessels wear out and break down.

There is, however, one entry that comes close:

"In the early years, many quarians freighters were armed and used as irregular "privateers". Civilian ships still show a strong preference for armament, making them unpopular targets for pirates."

And, one of the tactics for a privateer is attacking and seizing vessels or other property belonging to an enemy.

[AresXX7]

Shandepared wrote...

The codex is something that exists in-universe though. We have to often read between the lines to figure out what the truth might be. I'm sure everything said about the quarians is the codex is true, but I think there is probably more to it.

I agree, not just with the Quarians, but pretty much with entries for all race/species.

There's too much grey area or missing information, which can only leave room for interpretation as well as imagination.

Modifié par AriesXX7, 20 septembre 2010 - 09:39 .

[Xilizhra]

bobobo878 wrote...

Nageth wrote...

Er, by that logic shouldn't there be no human spectres since we killed turians?

I never understood why the Yahg got banned from citadel space for doing the same thing Turians did to human explorers.

Probably because the turians were afraid that the humans would start more Rachni Wars or something by using an unexplored relay, whereas the yahg were... it might be unfair to call them dicks if their culture works that way, but their culture was definitely inimical to galactic civilization. And frankly, I don't think the yahg cared about being quarantined.

[lovgreno]

Shandepared wrote...The admirals would probably know about it too but look the other way.

Probably yes. Keeping secrets are always a risk politicians try hard to avoid but the admirals also knows that more bad reputation due to piracy is the last thing the quarians need.

[ShadyKat]

Quarians once had an embassy and were a council race. So I bet there were Quraian Specters. But doubt there are any now.

[Aedan_Cousland]

In ME1 it was explained that a member of a species being made a Spectre was often seen as a stepping stone to gaining a council seat as well. With that in mind, Shepard may be the only Spectre that isn't one of the big 3. (Turians, Asari & Salarians)

Some of the aliens resent  that a human was made a Spectre. They see it as the first step before humanity is
granted a position on the Council, whereas their species have been around for centuries or millenia and have never been close to being raised to that position. Since there is nothing in the lore suggesting that the Quarians had almost gained a Council seat before they were ostracized, it is unlikely that there has ever been a Quarian Spectre.

Modifié par Aedan_Cousland, 21 septembre 2010 - 08:09 .

[Razor_Zeng]

Ah yes a "Quarian Spectre" We have have dismissed those claims

[Ashrite]

I wonder how they look under that suite I bet they look like those aliens in Avatar without the tale

[Aedan_Cousland]

Ashrite wrote...

I wonder how they look under that suite I bet they look like those aliens in Avatar without the tale

We already have blue aliens, so they'll probably have a different skin tone than the Asari. The eyes would have to be luminous white as well rather than the yellow lion-like eyes of the Navi, since the luminous white eyes of the Quarians are one of the few features we can make out through the faceplate. I wouldn't mind if the Quarians had some hair however, so long as they don't look like human women with an exotic skin color.

[ObserverStatus]

Xilizhra wrote...

bobobo878 wrote...

Nageth wrote...
Er, by that logic shouldn't there be no human spectres since we killed turians?

I never understood why the Yahg got banned from citadel space for doing the same thing Turians did to human explorers.

Probably because the turians were afraid that the humans would start more Rachni Wars or something by using an unexplored relay, whereas the yahg were... it might be unfair to call them dicks if their culture works that way, but their culture was definitely inimical to galactic civilization. And frankly, I don't think the yahg cared about being quarantined.

I'm just a little annoyed by the Turians' habit of shooting first and asking questions later.

[Mox Ruuga]

Shandepared wrote...

Aedan_Cousland wrote...

 I wouldn't mind if the Quarians had some hair however, so long as they don't look like human women with an exotic skin color.

I think the three-fingered hands and over all leg-shape guarantee that they wont.

We'll see if the devs' habit of fanservicing the Talimancers continues in ME3...

One would hope they'd look more alien than those Avatar furries, if nothing else. How about a predator or lamprey like mouth and scaly skin?

[ObserverStatus]

Mox Ruuga wrote...

Shandepared wrote...

Aedan_Cousland wrote...

 I wouldn't mind if the Quarians had some hair however, so long as they don't look like human women with an exotic skin color.

I think the three-fingered hands and over all leg-shape guarantee that they wont.

We'll see if the devs' habit of fanservicing the Talimancers continues in ME3...

One would hope they'd look more alien than those Avatar furries, if nothing else. How about a predator or lamprey like mouth and scaly skin?

Lamprey mouths? I like it.