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#101
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Predator mandible would work as long as they still had lips like humans. It's unlikely though as there isn't any indication they have anything that mobile under the helmet.

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Not all batarians are terrorists.

Yes, let's not forget the mild mannered slave traders.


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Remember what K'al Reeger says, about how Quarians make for ****ty front line fighters? One tiny infection could kill them. Quarians do not a spectre-able species make.

However, still waiting for the Salarian spectres to be seen. we've had two turians, one asari, and Shepard is the first human spectre. Salarians are the only unaccounted for race, barring "well they could just be in the STG" argument for why there hasn't been one.

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Apart from them not being eligible as they aren't a council race I can see a Quarian working well as a Spectre.

A Quarian Spectre would have to be ghost-like, undermining the enemy instead of confronting them directly, getting in, cracking their systems and getting out out without being seen.

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ah yes a "quarian spectre" we do not dismiss that, we kill those who think it is not completely ridiculous.

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How would it be hard? Just lie about where you got it.


So if I show up pimping a brand new Jaguar and say "lol I just found it can you believe that??" and meanwhile the extranet reports someone missing their Jaguar, you think nobody will be the slightest bit suspicious?

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So if I show up pimping a brand new Jaguar and say "lol I just found it can you believe that??" and meanwhile the extranet reports someone missing their Jaguar, you think nobody will be the slightest bit suspicious?


We aren't talking about a Jaguar here, we're talking about something more practical. Say one of those freighters you had to board so many times in ME1. Kwoloon class they are called (or something close to it). A ship that big could easily be written off in the Terminus Systems and it would be of great value to the Migrant Fleet.

They're thieves and murderers beneath all that sympathy. I know it!

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Shandepared wrote...

We aren't talking about a Jaguar here, we're talking about something more practical. Say one of those freighters you had to board so many times in ME1. Kwoloon class they are called (or something close to it). A ship that big could easily be written off in the Terminus Systems and it would be of great value to the Migrant Fleet.


Those freighters are all registered, or else the Normandy SR-1 would have no way of identifying them. Therefore they belong to someone, or (in the event that said someone was murdered by rampaging husks/thorian creepers/a crazy biotic crewmate) their next-of-kin.  Are you saying Quarians are so technologically illiterate that they can't check a vessel's registration?

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They're thieves and murderers beneath all that sympathy. I know it!


I agree, there must be something we're not seeing :lol: Bioware seems content with just telling us they have a reputation for thievery and letting us take it on faith.

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Those freighters are all registered, or else the Normandy SR-1 would have no way of identifying them.


That doesn't matter, it's the Terminus. Ships vanish out there all the time. All you have to do is give the ship new "tags".

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I agree, there must be something we're not seeing :lol: Bioware seems content with just telling us they have a reputation for thievery and letting us take it on faith.


I'm just applying real-world logic to their situation as well as expanding upon what Tali says when you help Lia'Vael. It's important to note that Tali does not deny that quarians steal, what she does is try and justify it.

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Asari councilor: Seems that quarian spectre SOMEBODY made us hire is sick yet again and can't do his job.

Turian councilor: Way to go idiot.

Salarian councilor: I don't know, I was drunk and it seemed like a good idea at the time.

Anderson: And you three complain about MY decisions...

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Shandepared wrote...

That doesn't matter, it's the Terminus. Ships vanish out there all the time. All you have to do is give the ship new "tags".


1) None of the pirates we've seen so far have been Quarians, so you can't attribute any of the disappearing ships to them. Innocent until proven guilty and all that.
2) Are you going to change its EM profile too? Why not dismantle it and rebuild it while you're at it? All without the good Quarians finding out.

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I'm just applying real-world logic to their situation as well as expanding upon what Tali says when you help Lia'Vael. It's important to note that Tali does not deny that quarians steal, what she does is try and justify it.


That doesn't change the fact that we the players have never seen a Quarian thief. All BW has done is have someone else inform us of the flaw, they have yet to actually demonstrate it.

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seeing as how Quarians aren't even an associat member of the citidel I doubt they can become specters.

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MuteSpeech wrote...

Remember what K'al Reeger says, about how Quarians make for ****ty front line fighters? One tiny infection could kill them. Quarians do not a spectre-able species make.

However, still waiting for the Salarian spectres to be seen. we've had two turians, one asari, and Shepard is the first human spectre. Salarians are the only unaccounted for race, barring "well they could just be in the STG" argument for why there hasn't been one.



Hmm are there Salarians specters? i though they where the special task group. cause i read on the codex that council created specters afther the salarians came on the council that they where supose to be something like the special task group.

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Ashrite wrote...

Hmm are there Salarians specters? i though they where the special task group. cause i read on the codex that council created specters afther the salarians came on the council that they where supose to be something like the special task group.


Given that the Spectres were patterned off of the STG, I would imagine that the first Spectres were Salarian, and that they went on to test/recruit Asari and Turians.

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1) None of the pirates we've seen so far have been Quarians, so you can't attribute any of the disappearing ships to them. Innocent until proven guilty and all that.
2) Are you going to change its EM profile too? Why not dismantle it and rebuild it while you're at it? All without the good Quarians finding out.


Like I said I don't think quarians would pirate very often. It'd be a rare thing that they'd only do when they were absolutely certain they could get away with it. The quarians after all are hated enough, they don't need Council declaring them to be a marauding army of pirates.

When it comes to how to convert the ships the quarians are masters of that. This is the same race that takes ships most other races would throw away as scrap and rebuild them. It is most certainly in their power to disguise a ship this way.

A race this desperate and dedicated to acquiring ships is definitely going to have the tendency to steal and murder for said ships from time to time. Either that or they're all saints. I find it hard to believe they are universally good people though.

Edit: I've always thought that the quest with Lia'Vael and the volus would have been more interesting if we found out that she really had taken the credit chit and stashed it somewhere. Then we'd have to choose to either turn in her, vindicating the racist volus, or lie for her to punish him instead.

Edit2: This would be very interesting if Tali was present and she was pressuring you about what you should do.

Modifié par Shandepared, 23 septembre 2010 - 01:10 .


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Edit: I've always thought that the quest with Lia'Vael and the volus would have been more interesting if we found out that she really had taken the credit chit and stashed it somewhere. Then we'd have to choose to either turn in her, vindicating the racist volus, or lie for her to punish him instead.


Things aren't more interesting just because they're more obnoxiously pessimistic.

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Things aren't more interesting just because they're more obnoxiously pessimistic.


Yes they are.

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Like I said I don't think quarians would pirate very often. It'd be a rare thing that they'd only do when they were absolutely certain they could get away with it. The quarians after all are hated enough, they don't need Council declaring them to be a marauding army of pirates.

When it comes to how to convert the ships the quarians are masters of that. This is the same race that takes ships most other races would throw away as scrap and rebuild them. It is most certainly in their power to disguise a ship this way.

A race this desperate and dedicated to acquiring ships is definitely going to have the tendency to steal and murder for said ships from time to time. Either that or they're all saints. I find it hard to believe they are universally good people though.

Edit: I've always thought that the quest with Lia'Vael and the volus would have been more interesting if we found out that she really had taken the credit chit and stashed it somewhere. Then we'd have to choose to either turn in her, vindicating the racist volus, or lie for her to punish him instead.

Edit2: This would be very interesting if Tali was present and she was pressuring you about what you should do.


I'm not sure which race you've invented and are describing here, but please stop calling them quarians.

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I'm not sure which race you've invented and are describing here, but please stop calling them quarians.


I invented nothing. That's what quarians are. Read the codex, talk to Tali.

Thieves, mechanics, and flea-market sellers.

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Shandepared wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...


Things aren't more interesting just because they're more obnoxiously pessimistic.


Yes they are.

How?

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That is pretty accurate. A bunch of vagabonds who grab whatever they can, legally or illegally to repair their raggedy fleet.

I don't know about about how successful they would be at pirating, just cough all over the goods they want to take.

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Shandepared wrote...

I invented nothing. That's what quarians are. Read the codex, talk to Tali.


I did.

ME1: "We don't have the resources for long-term incarceration, so in the past we've left our criminals on alien worlds. That's given us an undeserved reputation for being thieves."

ME2: "Within reason. We're not Vorcha. But we repair things most would throw away."

Your fantasy about Lia'vayel was spun from whole cloth.

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How?


It is more believable, as I explained. It has a lot more depth too.

We already know that Lia has faced a great deal of racism that has forced her into poverty. She is stealing not because she is greedy, but because she is desperate. It'd be the same for the species as a whole. Oh sure, some people would steal or murder out of convenience, but as I said I doubt the species as a whole is comprised of saints. There are bad apples on every tree.

So do we turn in the evidence and get Lia sent to jail and then kicked off the station, knowing that this will greatly set back her pilgrimage and leave her even more destitute?

Or do we sanction her theft to punish the nasty volus who is guilty of nothing other than being a huge jerk?

Mass Effect is all about choices and morality and this was a missed opportunity.

This kind of thing would give Tali and our interactions with her more depth too. It'd give us something less ham-handed than the geth/quarian war to fight with her about.

Conflict is good.

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Who was it in ME1 you talked to who explained why the quarians were such a pain in the ass? Something about them coming to your sector of space uninvited, draining your resources, and then leaving?

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ME1: "We don't have the resources for long-term incarceration, so in the past we've left our criminals on alien worlds. That's given us an undeserved reputation for being thieves."


A misquote.

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Who was it in ME1 you talked to who
explained why the quarians were such a pain in the ass? Something about
them coming to your sector of space uninvited, draining your resources,
and then leaving?


The codex. The quarians basically
coerce people for resources. You either give them donations or they park
their huge, ugly fleet right at your doorstep and start strip-mining
nearby asteroids and moons. People don't like that.

I already went over that though.

Modifié par Shandepared, 23 septembre 2010 - 01:28 .


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Maybe it'd turn out that she stole the thing but didn't use it yet? If anything was missing from the volus' account, your efforts would likely be hopeless.