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[Costin_Razvan]

Conquer and subdue all of Thedas. Which even the Qunari couldn't do.
But apparently he has it handled.

Why would Tevinter, Rivain seek to intefere? Nevara is up for debate, as is the Anderfels, The Free Marches. Antiva has no army ( based on codex ). You assume the Chantry would just gain the support of other nations. It is not certain they would.

Celene is a politician and Ferelden is on an glory high, with a hardened army the last thing she is going to do is attack it.

And once that army disbands because you cannot maintain it? Yes, attacking Fereldan just after Denerim is foolish, but waiting for Fereldan's army to disband then attacking would be a rather smart move.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 19 septembre 2010 - 08:17 .

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Dean_the_Young wrote...

Come on, KoP. All you need are a few blood mages with blood wound (those maleficar that will flock to this Brave New Ferelden), and then the rest is handing peasants some knives to slit all those paralyzed throats.

Oh, sure, you might need a few golems and knights to counter the templars who have those rare magic-resistance armors, but really, how many of them are there really?

Probably take, oh, fifty blood mages, five throat-slitters, and another 45 tanks to conquer all of Thedas.

<Sheldan voice> Is that sarcasm?

[TJPags]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

The threat of an invasion which is very real if one seeks to free the mages of Fereldan from under the Chantry.

Of COURSE the chantry is going to go nuts if you free the mages!!! 

This threat exists because of your own actions, not independantly.

Honestly, you think this is feasible??

And people thought Caillan was nuts.

[TJPags]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

The only way to win against an Exalted March is to crush Orlais and the Chantry. In which case I gain a great deal of land the resources from it. Resources which I would use for my war against the Darkspawn once I secure my hold on those conquered nations.

Dealing with the Darkspawn is not ideal from a military perspective.

 Really a war, right after a blight is not a good idea. For example after every plauge in Europe nations became isolationist and rebuilt instead of picking fights.

Except that in this situation only Fereldan has been hit by the Plague while Orlais has been untouched.

Right, so the ONLY weakened country is going to go on a conquering spree???

Really?

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TJPags wrote...

Costin_Razvan wrote...

The threat of an invasion which is very real if one seeks to free the mages of Fereldan from under the Chantry.

Of COURSE the chantry is going to go nuts if you free the mages!!! 

This threat exists because of your own actions, not independantly.

Honestly, you think this is feasible??

And people thought Caillan was nuts.

Cailin was a blonde though so hes excused.

[Dean_the_Young]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Come on, KoP. All you need are a few blood mages with blood wound (those maleficar that will flock to this Brave New Ferelden), and then the rest is handing peasants some knives to slit all those paralyzed throats.

Oh, sure, you might need a few golems and knights to counter the templars who have those rare magic-resistance armors, but really, how many of them are there really?

Probably take, oh, fifty blood mages, five throat-slitters, and another 45 tanks to conquer all of Thedas.

Is that sarcasm?

Hehehaha, have you ever known me to be anything other than 100% serious every single post?

[TJPags]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

TJPags wrote...

Costin_Razvan wrote...

The threat of an invasion which is very real if one seeks to free the mages of Fereldan from under the Chantry.

Of COURSE the chantry is going to go nuts if you free the mages!!! 

This threat exists because of your own actions, not independantly.

Honestly, you think this is feasible??

And people thought Caillan was nuts.

Cailin was a blonde though so hes excused.

True.  He should have gotten a handful of blood mages, some peasants with knives instead of Grey Wardens and an army.

[Giggles_Manically]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Conquer and subdue all of Thedas. Which even the Qunari couldn't do.
But apparently he has it handled.

Why would Tevinter, Rivain seek to intefere? Nevara is up for debate, as is the Anderfels, The Free Marches. Antiva has no army ( based on codex ). You assume the Chantry would just gain the support of other nations. It is not certain they would.

Celene is a politician and Ferelden is on an glory high, with a hardened army the last thing she is going to do is attack it.

And once that army disbands because you cannot maintain it? Yes, attacking Fereldan just after Denerim is foolish, but waiting for Fereldan's army to disband then attacking would be a rather smart move.

Why are you assuming Celene even cares about a rural pimple one the side of her empire. Its shattered and in ruins. Thats a complete waste of time to invade, since then you have to end all your soldiers shovels and try to get it fixed again.

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Dean_the_Young wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Come on, KoP. All you need are a few blood mages with blood wound (those maleficar that will flock to this Brave New Ferelden), and then the rest is handing peasants some knives to slit all those paralyzed throats.

Oh, sure, you might need a few golems and knights to counter the templars who have those rare magic-resistance armors, but really, how many of them are there really?

Probably take, oh, fifty blood mages, five throat-slitters, and another 45 tanks to conquer all of Thedas.

Is that sarcasm?

Hehehaha, have you ever known me to be anything other than 100% serious every single post?

Is that sarcasm?

[Monica21]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

And once that army disbands because you cannot maintain it? Yes, attacking Fereldan just after Denerim is foolish, but waiting for Fereldan's army to disband then attacking would be a rather smart move.

What makes you think you can maintain it by setting them to invade Orlais? Why do you think the nobles will back you? It seems that's the start of this plan, so how can you even manage the support of your own people in invading a country that hasn't done anything?

[KnightofPhoenix]

Costin_Razvan wrote...
Why would Tevinter, Rivain seek to intefere? Nevara is up for debate, as is the Anderfels, The Free Marches. Antiva has no army ( based on codex ). You assume the Chantry would just gain the support of other nations. It is not certain they would.

They already did in the past against the Dalish, Tevinter and the Qunari. Now you seek to create a Dalish homeland in Orlais that is going to involve the extermination or rellocation of human settlers and are planing to start a mage revolution and harbor maleficar. Not to mention Lyrium trade. Of course they are going to stand against you if the Chantry calls.

So you would base everything on pure chance, because there is a slight chance all of them are idiots and won't start fighting you despite what you are doing?

[Dean_the_Young]

And why, pray tell, does starting a war with the army you have keep it intact and immune to, say, desertions or Blight-only allies leaving you or anything else, whereas a Orlesian invasion not allow you to call back those veterans who presumably would have been loyal anyway?

[TJPags]

Monica21 wrote...

Costin_Razvan wrote...

And once that army disbands because you cannot maintain it? Yes, attacking Fereldan just after Denerim is foolish, but waiting for Fereldan's army to disband then attacking would be a rather smart move.

What makes you think you can maintain it by setting them to invade Orlais? Why do you think the nobles will back you? It seems that's the start of this plan, so how can you even manage the support of your own people in invading a country that hasn't done anything?

I think he's planning to assasinate any of the nobles that don't support him, like he's planning to do to Eamon, and Anora, and Bhelen, etc.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Giggles_Manically wrote...
Come on, KoP. All you need are a few blood mages with blood wound (those maleficar that will flock to this Brave New Ferelden), and then the rest is handing peasants some knives to slit all those paralyzed throats.

Oh, sure, you might need a few golems and knights to counter the templars who have those rare magic-resistance armors, but really, how many of them are there really?

Probably take, oh, fifty blood mages, five throat-slitters, and another 45 tanks to conquer all of Thedas.

You know, blound wound is kind of powerful actually.
Maybe throw necromancers in the mix?

Or maybe try to be like Branka and breed your very own darkspawn.

Or demons. They are the best.

EDIT: GASP!!! I know his secret!!!

Two words:

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 19 septembre 2010 - 08:27 .

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TJPags wrote...

Monica21 wrote...

Costin_Razvan wrote...

And once that army disbands because you cannot maintain it? Yes, attacking Fereldan just after Denerim is foolish, but waiting for Fereldan's army to disband then attacking would be a rather smart move.

What makes you think you can maintain it by setting them to invade Orlais? Why do you think the nobles will back you? It seems that's the start of this plan, so how can you even manage the support of your own people in invading a country that hasn't done anything?

I think he's planning to assasinate any of the nobles that don't support him, like he's planning to do to Eamon, and Anora, and Bhelen, etc.

So he plans on sweeping to power, and going to war against everyone else, while not starting massive rebellions at the same time? All while hoping that the other nations dont side against him?

[Dean_the_Young]

TJPags wrote...

Monica21 wrote...

Costin_Razvan wrote...

And once that army disbands because you cannot maintain it? Yes, attacking Fereldan just after Denerim is foolish, but waiting for Fereldan's army to disband then attacking would be a rather smart move.

What makes you think you can maintain it by setting them to invade Orlais? Why do you think the nobles will back you? It seems that's the start of this plan, so how can you even manage the support of your own people in invading a country that hasn't done anything?

I think he's planning to assasinate any of the nobles that don't support him, like he's planning to do to Eamon, and Anora, and Bhelen, etc.

To be fair, I don't recall him saying he would assassinate Bhelen, only that he had plans that Bhelen would not like.

Presumably, however, those plans would insure either Bhelen or his successor would not only agree to go along with this war, but also be able to convince the noble houses of Orzamaar to do so as well. (Unlike, you know, the Blight, where many of them didn't despite treaty obligations and the Blight itself.)

[Monica21]

TJPags wrote...

Monica21 wrote...

Costin_Razvan wrote...

And once that army disbands because you cannot maintain it? Yes, attacking Fereldan just after Denerim is foolish, but waiting for Fereldan's army to disband then attacking would be a rather smart move.

What makes you think you can maintain it by setting them to invade Orlais? Why do you think the nobles will back you? It seems that's the start of this plan, so how can you even manage the support of your own people in invading a country that hasn't done anything?

I think he's planning to assasinate any of the nobles that don't support him, like he's planning to do to Eamon, and Anora, and Bhelen, etc.

Because that's not suspicious.

[Giggles_Manically]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

TJPags wrote...

Monica21 wrote...

Costin_Razvan wrote...

And once that army disbands because you cannot maintain it? Yes, attacking Fereldan just after Denerim is foolish, but waiting for Fereldan's army to disband then attacking would be a rather smart move.

What makes you think you can maintain it by setting them to invade Orlais? Why do you think the nobles will back you? It seems that's the start of this plan, so how can you even manage the support of your own people in invading a country that hasn't done anything?

I think he's planning to assasinate any of the nobles that don't support him, like he's planning to do to Eamon, and Anora, and Bhelen, etc.

To be fair, I don't recall him saying he would assassinate Bhelen, only that he had plans that Bhelen would not like.

Presumably, however, those plans would insure either Bhelen or his successor would not only agree to go along with this war, but also be able to convince the noble houses of Orzamaar to do so as well. (Unlike, you know, the Blight, where many of them didn't despite treaty obligations and the Blight itself.)

Also they can just close the doors on you if they dont feel like talking so unless you want to siege a mountain good luck.

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Wow Costin is making Loghain sound collected and rational about his plans.

[Monica21]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Wow Costin is making Loghain sound collected and rational about his plans.

You hush. He was rational.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Monica21 wrote...
Because that's not suspicious.

Well he could be like Muhammad Ali of Egypt, except on a much larger scale. You know, invite all the leaders of Thedas, and all the nobles and potential enemies to a grand dinner or what have you. And on the door, kill them all with canons and voila, no more enemies.

Then you're free to conquer the world in peace like it's a walk in the park.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Wow Costin is making Loghain sound collected and rational about his plans.

Hey, he was mostly rational.

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KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Wow Costin is making Loghain sound collected and rational about his plans.

Hey, he was mostly rational.

Except for the whole seeing Orlesians in his oatmeal part.

[Costin_Razvan]

To be fair, I don't recall him saying he would assassinate Bhelen, only that he had plans that Bhelen would not like.



Presumably, however, those plans would insure either Bhelen or his successor would not only agree to go along with this war, but also be able to convince the noble houses of Orzamaar to do so as well. (Unlike, you know, the Blight, where many of them didn't despite treaty obligations and the Blight itself.)

Exactly that, and that is how I plan to deal with the Leadership of Fereldan and the Bannorn.



To be specific. I do not plan on marching into Orlais once the Archdemon falls but rather into the Deep Roads to strike at the weakened Darkspawn. However the way I see it is that once I give the Circle freedom for their service in the Blight, and in the context of the story I am making a mage that took the US. Arguments would spark with the Chantry.



Since I refuse to bow down to the Chantry, then it would start an exalted march. What I plan for this is strike headlong into Orlesian land before they can march on Fereldan. While the other nations did provide aid against the Dales, Tevinter and the Qunari it should be noted that they did not provide it immediately against The Dales.

[Monica21]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Monica21 wrote...
Because that's not suspicious.

Well he could be like Muhammad Ali of Egypt, except on a much larger scale. You know, invite all the leaders of Thedas, and all the nobles and potential enemies to a grand dinner or what have you. And on the door, kill them all with canons and voila, no more enemies.

Then you're free to conquer the world in peace like it's a walk in the park.

Okay, my first thought was "How will beating Joe Frazier help him?"