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[KnightofPhoenix]

@ Costin
Sigh...yea it is kind of depressing. Going with Morrigan better be worth it.

@ Monica.
That's depressing too.
However, Morrigan is seemingly very important for the future of DA. So that gives a bit of hope to those of us lucky enough to be born with a...capacity to have facial hair.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 19 septembre 2010 - 11:20 .

[Costin_Razvan]

I am starting to get the desire to delete all my Wardens save my dwarves who won't get their story so demolished. "Sigh".

[Monica21]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...
So that gives a bit of hope to those of us lucky enough to be born with a...capacity to have facial hair.

Well, I'd say you haven't been to enough redneck towns in the Midwest, but that would just be mean.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Monica21 wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...
So that gives a bit of hope to those of us lucky enough to be born with a...capacity to have facial hair.

Well, I'd say you haven't been to enough redneck towns in the Midwest, but that would just be mean.

Certaintly not going there now!

[Dean_the_Young]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

I am starting to get the desire to delete all my Wardens save my dwarves who won't get their story so demolished. "Sigh".

They wouldn't be so extravagent if you toned it down a great deal. You could even have a Chantry/Ferelden fight not be lost by Ferelden with some reasonable basis (defensive war, Chantry/Orlais power struggle, etc.).

Take this scenario, for example:


The Chantry wants to gain influence over Empress Celene, who on her part has been too independent of the Chantry, trying to subtly revoke it's independence and put it under the Empress's power and serve her interests directly. The Chantry  seeks something to make themselves too relevant to be ignorred or sidelined, and Orzammar and a rumored illegal circle of magi is the basis.

Chantry sends Templars to take control of the Circle, and get ejected rudely by Orzamaar dwarves who have no interest in fostering a garrison inside Orzammar. So Chantry sends Orlesian templars and chevaliers as well with a pointed threat about a Divine March, and Dwarves appeal to the Ferelden court for assistance.

Anora or Alistair (or Alistair's advisors) may or may not like the Dwarves, but the Orlesian Chantry threatening a divine march on Ferelden soil without Ferelden permission is Bad News. Putting Ferelden integrity over Chantry sympathies, the Royalty say No Way, and support the dwarves against Orlais.

It's a crisis escallating out of control. A minor, possibly unfounded concern has spiraled out of proportion: the Chantry can't let itself be told no in such a way or else lose authority across Thedas, the Dwarves are firmly with Ferelden which is firmly for its own independence, and the Empress of Orlais has to balance the divine-right nature of her throne with losing control of a large part of her own military to the Chantry.

The Chantry declares a Divine March (against the Dwarves, not against Ferelden proper), but it comes off as an act of aggression, and fails to rally much support: the Empress's own lukewarm attitude means even Orlais barely supports it, and many other nations are either too uninterested or too far away to do much more than send a powerful army once combined. Still greater than most think Ferelden can bare, but not as much to steamroll the country into paste.

Que big battles of the war. Ferelden gathers what allies it has, manages the Chantry sympathizers and forces already in its borders, and sets to fight with the dwarves against numerically superior Chantry/Orlesian forces. Werewolves, golems, mages, whatever you have. Some of those, mind you, might just legitimize the chantry, and threaten to widen the scope of the war.

Also que political maneuvering. Perhaps Qunari move in and seize some disputed islands off the Ferelden cost. Maybe some Free March city state feels opportunistic. Who knows what side people comes in on: I predict covert Tevinter magical support for Ferelden.

But, as the war goes on (and not necessarily in Ferelden's favor), political intrigue offers to end it. Celene makes quiet offers with the Ferelden monarchy, based around usurping the Chantry's influence and control within Orlais. An open alliance between Orlais and Ferelden, more than anything else, would undermine the Chantry's nominal Orlesian support. Cailan and the letters, mark two, only Celene is the one advancing it.

Maybe some high noble is agreed upon, to marry her, and concessions on both sides offered. Maybe Alistair or Anora say 'not quite, but thanks, here's our counter proposal'. It isn't just Ferelden's benefit that the war be ended, but the Empress's. Maybe Wardens get involved. Secret deals, and later more secret maneuverings within Orlais, curtosy of a few bards and Crows and who knows who else, and suddenly the White Divine is found dead.

Such a shame, people say. She was being manipulated and controlled by a maleficar all along: see, we have a confession and proof that should satisfy you. Empress Celene is quite aghast, and has quickly set out to rectify the injustice visited upon Ferelden under her rule. Rumor has it she's been quite charmed by some Ferelden noble or another. And of course, the new White Divine is quite sympathetic to the Dwarves and Fereldens and Empress Celene's position.

In the end it's considered a horrible conspiracy against the good Dwarves and faithful fellow Andrastian nation of Ferelden by a heretical apostate, and everyone agrees that Ferelden would never have lasted long enough for the truth to come to life if it weren't for it's few but powerful allies and its legendary characteristic endurance.

[Costin_Razvan]

Aren't the Qunari already invading the Free Marches in Dragon Age 2? Or have I understood that wrongly?



But if anything this thread has given me ...more inspiration for my story

[Monica21]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Aren't the Qunari already invading the Free Marches in Dragon Age 2? Or have I understood that wrongly?

That's my understanding. The Qunari are invading Kirkwall, which is on the northern coast of the Waking Sea and obviously very close to Ferelden. Of course, there's no telling when that happens in the DA2 timeline.

[Costin_Razvan]

 

That's my understanding. The Qunari are invading Kirkwall, which is on the northern coast of the Waking Sea and obviously very close to Ferelden. Of course, there's no telling when that happens in the DA2 timeline.

So they neutralize the Free Marches then...though they are a threat to Fereldan as well. Can't figure out how to deal with them until there is more info.

Convicing the Dwarves/Elves/Werewolves/Bannorn to fight in your war aside ( I have a plan, for that which doesn't involve an iron fist ). The way I always figured it though is that the main threat would always come from Nevara and Orlais ( and the Anderfels but I will get to that later ).  I figure the Fereldan armies could advance and capture the Dales for a short time until they are forced back into the mountain passes of the Frostback Mountains where they would hold their ground.

In those said passes your "most elite cavalry in the world" is equal to squat, and the Chantry armies could be held in check, especially by the Golems ( which the game indicates that each Golem is worth twelve dwarves, perhaps an exaggeration but even half of that would be impressive ).

Meanwhile the Dalish Elves would have been left behind in the Dales. If there is anything they are good at it's harassing.  Constant raids on Chantry supply trains, that would suceed or not but more importantly force the Chantry to heavily guard them. The Elves can survive in the Dales by themselves with no supplies I imagine, and if supplies are needed then a path through the Deep Roads would be cleared in southern Dales,

The only way for the Chantry forces to advance into Fereldan territory is to use those passes, or attempt to use the Deep Roads, which is something they may not be willing to do and where the Fereldan forces would have a distinct advantage due to the Dwarven stone sense. Certainly the Chantry can get some Dwarves to lead the way, but I would think that a Legionnaire of the Dead would be able to lead an army through the Deep far better then a surface dwarf.

However in the Deep Roads they still face the same problem as on the surface, narrow passes and then there are Darkspawn and Deep Stalkers, a problem for my forces as well, but mine also have hardened troops who have fought these kind of creatures for most of their lives while the Chantry would most certainly not.

My goal would be to give some ground in the mountain passes...then assemble a flanking force in the Deep Roads, while clearing the way from the Darkspawn, emerge through the tunnels in the Dales and strike from the Chantry's rear while their forces are still in the passes.  It would obviously depend on whether the Chantry would seek to use the Deep Roads or not and if they found out of my plan before it's too late.

Not a killing blow if it succeeds, but capturing/killing their generals would be the real victory here. Interrogate them for intelligence and one would have a real edge in their advance upon Orlais. Maybe force the Chantry into suing for peace...if that would ever happen ( though they have done so with the Qunari )

Logistically wise I figure that I could feed my troops with nugs and whatever food that can be brought from Fereldan without straining the nug population or Fereldan farmers. Seems to me that Orzammar have an abundance of nugs. 

Armor and weapon wise, the Dwarves do have some of the finest craftsmen in the world and between their recently reconquered mines and those in Fereldan I figure the army could be better equipped then the Chantry one, bar chevaliers.

The real problem that I see isn't dealing with the Chantry's armies, but the other Grey Wardens and the bards. For the bards paranoid security measures would have to be taken to keep as many away as possible...though some would worm their way through. 

As for the Grey Wardens....if the First Warden really has his political plans, then he either needs to be persuaded to join my cause or it will fail. The Grey Wardens are the most elite military fighting force in all of Thedas, if they decide to work against my little alliance then it is FUBAR.

Obviously there is more to this, like the Crows and Dragon Cult for instance.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 20 septembre 2010 - 12:13 .

[Dean_the_Young]

And if the Orlesians do what they did in the first war?

Or simply dismount and let their infantry, knights, templars and seige weapons take the passes?

Or recruit their own elven allies, including possibly those already in the Dales who believe Orlais more likely to win than Ferelden, and so go with the winning side?

Modifié par Dean_the_Young, 20 septembre 2010 - 12:15 .

[Costin_Razvan]

Which would be? I forget the details of the first war.

[Dean_the_Young]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Which would be? I forget the details of the first war.

Naval invasion. They also came from the sea.

I also added a few other points to consider as well.

Modifié par Dean_the_Young, 20 septembre 2010 - 12:16 .

[Costin_Razvan]

Naval invasion. They also came from the sea.

Then the Qunari invasion has a benefit in that if they are invading the Free Marches all the way to Kirkwall then it is certain they have their fleet there, and unless Orlais wants to fight the Qunari on the sea then I would discount the possibility of a naval invasion.

Though it begs the question how in the hell the Free Marches ever allowed an Armada to pass through their territory in the first war.

Or simply dismount and let their infantry, knights, templars and seige weapons take the passes?

Despite superior numbers, I would place my money on the Legion, Golems and Werewolves + my infantry and personal siege weapons, winning against the Chantry there.

Or recruit their own elven allies, including possibly those already in the Dales who believe Orlais more likely to win than Ferelden, and so go with the winning side?

Assuming the Chantry would give them Land as I have...in that case I can see some clans siding with Orlais...

Though I find it unlikely the Chantry would give the Elves land, but still a good point you have here.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 20 septembre 2010 - 12:27 .

[Dean_the_Young]

[quote]Costin_Razvan wrote...

[quote] Naval invasion. They also came from the sea. [/quote]

Then the Qunari invasion has a benefit in that if they are invading the Free Marches all the way to Kirkwall then it is certain they have their fleet there, and unless Orlais wants to fight the Qunari on the sea then I would discount the possibility of a naval invasion. [/quote]Why would the Qunari pick a fight with Orlais they do not need or want when both sides can simply pass by eachother on their mutual missions, both content that the other is too distracted to want to interfere?

Moreover, the Qunari invasion of the Free Marches is in DA2. It hasn't necessarily happened yet in this immediate post-Blight scenario of yours.
[quote]
Though it begs the question how in the hell the Free Marches ever allowed an Armada to pass through their territory in the first war.[/quote]What, pray tell, would they do to stop Orlais? Go to war with them as an Armada with troops is right off their coast.
[quote]
[quote] Or simply dismount and let their infantry, knights, templars and seige weapons take the passes? [/quote]

Despite superior numbers, I would place my money on the Legion, Golems and Werewolves + my infantry and personal siege weapons, winning against the Chantry there. [/quote]Why? On what basis? Attrition works against you, not for you, given Ferelden's post-Blight situation, even if you could convince everyone to drop everything and meet you 'there'... as if there's only one pass you have to fortify.

And, of course, you plan also entails that you split your army in two, not the whole of one or another, one in a holding formation and one to go through the Deep Roads underneath (as if the Orlesian forces can't attempt the same), where the failure of either point means the effective loss of the other. If the Orlesians simply break your defense at the Mountain Passes and pour through, what do you retain that could stop them while half of your Alliance remains undergrounds and the other is supposedly in the Dalish woods?

[quote]
[quote] Or recruit their own elven allies, including possibly those already in the Dales who believe Orlais more likely to win than Ferelden, and so go with the winning side? [/quote]

Assuming the Chantry would give them Land as I have...in that case I can see some clans siding with Orlais...[/quote]

Though I find it unlikely the Chantry would give the Elves land, but still a good point you have here.[/quote]The Chantry doesn't need to give them Lands. They just can promise
lands, same as you. If all it takes to break your alliance is a promise (or even a threat),
then your coalition isn't holding together.

The Chantry has many elven followers, and the offices of Orlais can make separate deals from the Chantry.

Modifié par Dean_the_Young, 20 septembre 2010 - 12:54 .

[Costin_Razvan]

Why would the Qunari pick a fight with Orlais they do not need or want when both sides can simply pass by eachother on their mutual missions, both content that the other is too distracted to want to interfere?



Moreover, the Qunari invasion of the Free Marches is in DA2. It hasn't necessarily happened yet in this immediate post-Blight scenario of yours.

Does that mean the Qunari would just allow the Orlesian fleet to pass through their own blockade of the Free Marches? I do not think so.



The Qunari are also a problem the Chantry would never likely ignore, indeed from what we know of Dragon Age 2 Hawke does work for the Chantry.

What, pray tell, would they do to stop Orlais? Go to war with them as an Armada with troops is right off their coast.

And you would just allow an armada of ships belonging to a nation which you aren't on the best of terms with to pass through your waters? Uhm...ok.

Why? On what basis? Attrition works against you, not for you, given Ferelden's post-Blight situation, even if you could convince everyone to drop everything and meet you 'there'... as if there's only one pass you have to fortify.



And, of course, you plan also entails that you split your army in two, not the whole of one or another, one in a holding formation and one to go through the Deep Roads underneath (as if the Orlesian forces can't attempt the same), where the failure of either point means the effective loss of the other. If the Orlesians simply break your defense at the Mountain Passes and pour through, what do you retain that could stop them while half of your Alliance remains undergrounds and the other is supposedly in the Dalish woods?

I place the Chevaliers on the same level of skill as the Dwarven Warriors...and there are probably more Dwarf Troops then there are Chevaliers. The Legion, ( as the Stolen Throne shows us ) are superior to the Chevaliers, and I need not mention the Golems.



Even half the army, deployed on all the passes, could very well hold against the Chantry. I have more mages, Wrewolves, Golems and my regular infantry would have better gear then theirs. So yes, I firmly believe they would be able to hold passes. ( my plan hinges on them holding those passes ). History has shown that smaller numbers of troops can hold their ground against overwhelming odds in narrow places. The Dwarves are especially skilled at this kind of fighting.



And yes, attrition would work for me. It is not matter of simply having supplies, though you are correct in that the Chantry would be have more then I do, but also making sure they reach your troops. My troops would be receiving half their supplies from Orzammar itself, while the rest is from nearby Fereldan. The Blight possibly devastated half the farmland in country, but there are still enough crops to supply a military force.



The Chantry on the other hand would have to move it's supplies from Central Orlais, through the Dales and into the Frostback Mountains, all the while being harassed by Dalish Raiders.

Though I find it unlikely the Chantry would give the Elves land, but still a good point you have here.The Chantry doesn't need to give them Lands. They just can promise

lands, same as you. If all it takes to break your alliance is a promise (or even a threat),

then your coalition isn't holding together.



The Chantry has many elven followers, and the offices of Orlais can make separate deals from the Chantry.

You seem to misunderstand the deal I would make with the Elves. They get the lands around Ostagar in return for aiding me, if we defeat Orlais they gain the Dales. I find it unlikely the Dalish Elves would just join Orlais out the threat they pose....



And correction. The Chantry has many CITY Elven followers, and my plans do not count on the City Elves, though yes I am prepared for the City Elves to join up with the Chantry...though they don't have the skills the Dalish have.

[KnightofPhoenix]

So instead of joining up with Orlais and others to fight the Qunari to free the free marches, you decide to take advantage of that and attack Orlais, while there is a strong possibility that the Qunari could also land in an emptied Ferelden? Ferelden is not far from the Marches you know. Not to mention that the Qunari can impose a naval blockade on both the Marches and Ferelden.

Wouldn't it be considerably smarter to try and make a deal with the Chantry that in exchange for your help, you get some concessions? Or do you hate the Chantry so much?

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 20 septembre 2010 - 02:16 .

[Giggles_Manically]

The imperialism continues it seems...

<grabs popcorn>

[Herr Uhl]

Costin, has this changed from an offensive war to a defensive one, where you'd need psychic powers to predict that the Qunari will attack The Free Marches, and not Ferelden, and thus occupy the whole waking sea somehow?

If the chantry nations unite, as they ought to do in that situation (they fear Qunari more than blights everywhere but in Ferelden), I see no reason why Nevarra wouldn't help the Orlesians with naval passage past the Frostbacks. And you CAN NOT expect that you'll get the Qunari as allies. Unless you agree to convert that is.

Edit: In short, Qunari landing in The Free Marches is worse for you than Orlais. They just need to zip over to Amaranthine to attack you, whereas they'd need to pass through Nevarra to reach Orlais.

Modifié par Herr Uhl, 20 septembre 2010 - 02:51 .

[Costin_Razvan]

It is my belief the Chantry is controlled by Celene....so making a deal with the Chantry would mean making a deal with her, and how can I be certain that once the Qunari are dealt with that she will not turn against me? I know without a doubt that she has an eye on Fereldan.

Yes, Celene would most likely see the Qunari as the greater threat, and rightly so. But my Coalition would likely disband so I can make the deal. I am quite certain that the Chantry would not easily allow me to:

1) Form a strong military and political alliance with Orzammar.
2) Give the Heathen Elves Ostagar to live there.
3) Give the Mage Circle autonomy from the Templars.

The most important to me is forming the Alliance with Orzammar, and Fereldan having a say in the Lyrium is not something Celene would agree with easily, if at all. Giving the Elves land is possibly the easiest deal I can make with her....and the most disfavorable to make.

Also, even if I make a deal with Celene it and join the Exalted March against the Qunari...then that would mean that I would probably be taking most of the hits from the Qunari as they would very likely land in Fereldan.

Not saying that your idea is without reason, still I would seek a deal with the Qunari first.

I am not talking of an alliance, but rather a Non-Aggression pact with them, which in my mind would be mutually beneficial for both. The Qunari would secure their south flank and also divert some of the Chantry armies to deal with Fereldan while Fereldan would gain time to build up coastal defenses and deal with Orlais. Making an enemy of Fereldan when Fereldan wants war with the Chantry is very very stupid. The Qunari are fanatical about the Qun, but they are not stupid.

Once my military plan succeeds and I crush the armies sent to conquer Fereldan, then I march as quickly as I can into the Dales while Celene is still reeling from the onslaught. Once my army is in sight of Montsimmard I force the Chantry to a peace negotiation, or they have deal with my armies marching through central Orlais...it would not be favorable for me at all to not be able to reach a settlement with the Chantry with the Qunari invading, but I believe Celene would have no choice but to accept my deal. Possibly even losing a part of the Dales for my elves.

Once the deal is made with Celene, I pull back to my territory and start rebuilding....while still building my coastal defenses and sending some of my troops to clear the Deep Roads towards the Free Marches and Orlais.

The Qunari would eventually be crushed, as I do not have a doubt the Imperium would eventually intervene.

Of course....if the Qunari refuse any sort of deal then I would have no choice but to settle with Celene...as unfavorable as it might be.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 20 septembre 2010 - 03:43 .

[Giggles_Manically]

Its unlikely that the Qunari would cut a deal.

They see everyone else as unenlightened heathens, only worth converting.



Entering into a mutal treaty is not something they would feel like doing, since they took on all of Thedas without trying to turn some people to their side before conquering them.

Also why would anyone care that the Dalish are given lands south of Ostagar its a blighted, freezing, swampland. Not exactly the most happening development plot around.

[KnightofPhoenix]

A military alliance with Orzammar does not mean Ferelden has a say in the Lyrium trade unless you want to take over it, making you the initiator of the conflict. And I think you overestimate Ferelden's value for the Orlesians. If they were so adamant about taking it, they would not have stopped sending reinforcements after the River Dane. After that battle, the Emperor was like **** it, I don't care and the Orlesian puppet king was left to fend for himself. Why would Celene be so obsessed with taking Ferelden? Her ace in the hole is dead.

Now why would the Qunari trust an Andrastrian nation to not backstab them? Even Sten hints at them landing in Ferelden in the short future. What if they want to plunder very much needed ressources? What gaurantee do you have that after you miraculously crush the Orlesians, the Qunari don't decide to take advantage of your weakened state and foolhardy invasion of Orlais and descend on Ferelden? The Qunari have only one goal in mind. Turn everyone into the Qun. If they see that they can do that in Ferelden, they would. It would be much smarter to play neutral and join the exalted marches when the Qunari are being beaten.

[Giggles_Manically]

I really dont see Celene caring about Ferelden.



Val Royex probably has more people in it than Ferelden has. She probably thinks of it as some quaint backwater, that is now a quaint blighted backwater.

She is an empress with probably more important things to worry about than some rural pimple on the side of the empire.

[Jacks Smirking Revenge]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Its unlikely that the Qunari would cut a deal.
They see everyone else as unenlightened heathens, only worth converting.

Entering into a mutal treaty is not something they would feel like doing, since they took on all of Thedas without trying to turn some people to their side before conquering them.
Also why would anyone care that the Dalish are given lands south of Ostagar its a blighted, freezing, swampland. Not exactly the most happening development plot around.

Reminds me of the dialogue with Sten and Alistair

• Alistair: So I suppose once I'm actually king I could end up in negotiations with the qunari one day.
• Sten: My people do not negotiate.
• Alistair: What do you mean? They negotiated a peace treaty after the war, and as far as I know they've kept to its terms.
• Sten: They signed a piece of paper. But only because they knew that you believed in it.
• Alistair: And what is the difference between that and negotiating?
• Sten: They stopped fighting for their own reasons. And they will resume it again, one day. The agreement means nothing to them.
• Alistair: But I thought you said your people believed in honor.
• Sten: They do. The honor of the qunari is what will bring our warships back to your shores.

[Costin_Razvan]

Why would Celene be so obsessed with taking Ferelden? Her ace in the hole is dead.

Then why does she spark a civil war in Fereldan, huh? She has the ability for the Chantry to begin an Exalted March against Fereldan, giving her an edge. I also cannot see her welcoming an alliance between Dwarves and Fereldan at all.

Now why would the Qunari trust an Andrastrian nation to not backstab them? Even Sten hints at them landing in Ferelden in the short future. What if they want to plunder very much needed ressources? What gaurantee do you have that after you miraculously crush the Orlesians, the Qunari don't decide to take advantage of your weakened state and foolhardy invasion of Orlais and descend on Ferelden?

Really. Miraculously? Seriously, you believe Orlais and the Chantry to be so much stronger then they really are, and with the Qunari invading the Free Marches they would have divide their forces, thus weakening the forces they ones sent against Fereldan.

And moving into Orlesian territory after you give the Chantry a crushing defeat is not foolhardy, it's taking advantage of your victory to gain territory.

It's also not a matter if Fereldan will backstab them or not. They would be weakening the Chantry who is set to leading an Exalted March against to drive them out of the Marches. What would they gain by attacking Fereldan and thus making an enemy at that point when Fereldan has no desire to fight them?

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 20 septembre 2010 - 04:12 .

[Giggles_Manically]

Once again the Qunari dont think anyone worthy of their attention, outside of converting them.

They wont help you, they'll just do what they always did and keep trying to steam roll everyone.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Costin_Razvan wrote...
Then why does she spark a civil war in Fereldan, huh? She has the ability for the Chantry to begin an Exalted March against Fereldan, giving her an edge. I also cannot see her welcoming an alliance between Dwarves and Fereldan at all.

Huh? How did Celene start a civil war?
It was the bannorn and Loghain who did, Celene had nothing to do with it. Unless you want to tell me that the bannorn were being pushed by Celene? Come on.
Her plans with Cailan were a secret, no one knew about them. So you cna't possibly use that as to say she started the civil war.

Ferelden and Orzammar are already allies. Unless you want to block off Lyrium trade, she has nothign to fear from an expanded alliance.

Costin_Razvan wrote...
It's also not a matter if Fereldan will backstab them or not. They would be weakening the Chantry who is set to leading an Exalted March against to drive them out of the Marches. What would they gain by attacking Fereldan and thus making an enemy at that point when Fereldan has no desire to fight them?

When your forces are in Orlais proper, they would be fools not to take the opportunity and move in Ferelden.
The Qunari don't negotiate and if they see a weakened state in front of them, they will strike at them.

I think you overestimate Ferelden's strength. And again, the maount of allies you can conjur up. There is no way Orzammar and Bhelen are going to fight your war.