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[Pritos]

Riona45 wrote...

Pritos wrote...

Now that you guys post this informations together, I'm seeing that Hawke doesn't have any kind of carachiterestic pertinent to what we are told he is to become, a "champion", a "ruler".I mean, his mother belongs to a noble house from Kirkwall that run away to Ferelden for an unknow reason, his father is somewhat of a criminal(Apostates are like criminals in Thedas) who apparently abandoned them, His brother and sister also don't seem to have any kind of "strong" characteristic.

Errr, how can you be sure about any of this, when we know almost nothing about any of these characters yet?

Haven't this informations already been confirmed by Bioware?

Modifié par Pritos, 21 septembre 2010 - 08:32 .

[marbatico]

obviously Hawke was raised by flying Andrastian dogs from the Aderfels.

[SirOccam]

Pritos wrote...

Riona45 wrote...

Pritos wrote...

Now that you guys post this informations together, I'm seeing that Hawke doesn't have any kind of carachiterestic pertinent to what we are told he is to become, a "champion", a "ruler".I mean, his mother belongs to a noble house from Kirkwall that run away to Ferelden for an unknow reason, his father is somewhat of a criminal(Apostates are like criminals in Thedas) who apparently abandoned them, His brother and sister also don't seem to have any kind of "strong" characteristic.

Errr, how can you be sure about any of this, when we know almost nothing about any of these characters yet?

Haven't this informations already been confirmed by Bioware?

The only things that have been confirmed are:
Hawke's mother's family is nobility and live in Kirkwall
Hawke's father is/was an apostate mage

Some of the things that haven't been confirmed (or even suggested):
Hawke's mother "ran away to Ferelden"
Hawke's father "abandoned them"
Hawke and his siblings have no prominent characteristics.

Modifié par SirOccam, 21 septembre 2010 - 08:51 .

[Risax]

SirOccam wrote...

Pritos wrote...

Riona45 wrote...

Pritos wrote...

Now that you guys post this informations together, I'm seeing that Hawke doesn't have any kind of carachiterestic pertinent to what we are told he is to become, a "champion", a "ruler".I mean, his mother belongs to a noble house from Kirkwall that run away to Ferelden for an unknow reason, his father is somewhat of a criminal(Apostates are like criminals in Thedas) who apparently abandoned them, His brother and sister also don't seem to have any kind of "strong" characteristic.

Errr, how can you be sure about any of this, when we know almost nothing about any of these characters yet?

Haven't this informations already been confirmed by Bioware?

The only things that have been confirmed are:
Hawke's mother's family is nobility and live in Kirkwall
Hawke's father is/was an apostate mage

Some of the things that haven't been confirmed (or even suggested):
Hawke's mother "ran away to Ferelden"
Hawke's father "abandoned them"
Hawke and his siblings have no prominent characteristics.

Hawke's mother ran to Ferelden? I hadn't even thought about that! I always assumed the Amell family held estates close to the Wilds, where she met Hawke's father.

But yeah, running away from Kirkwall is a big possibility as well, I mean they are always fighting amongsy themselves in the Free Marches. Maybe the Amell family got caught in the middle.

[Risax]

simfamSP wrote...

Hawke's father is Santa Clause, you can tell where he got the beard from anyway.

Riiiight....
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[SirOccam]

Risax wrote...

SirOccam wrote...

Pritos wrote...

Riona45 wrote...

Pritos wrote...

Now that you guys post this informations together, I'm seeing that Hawke doesn't have any kind of carachiterestic pertinent to what we are told he is to become, a "champion", a "ruler".I mean, his mother belongs to a noble house from Kirkwall that run away to Ferelden for an unknow reason, his father is somewhat of a criminal(Apostates are like criminals in Thedas) who apparently abandoned them, His brother and sister also don't seem to have any kind of "strong" characteristic.

Errr, how can you be sure about any of this, when we know almost nothing about any of these characters yet?

Haven't this informations already been confirmed by Bioware?

The only things that have been confirmed are:
Hawke's mother's family is nobility and live in Kirkwall
Hawke's father is/was an apostate mage

Some of the things that haven't been confirmed (or even suggested):
Hawke's mother "ran away to Ferelden"
Hawke's father "abandoned them"
Hawke and his siblings have no prominent characteristics.

Hawke's mother ran to Ferelden? I hadn't even thought about that! I always assumed the Amell family held estates close to the Wilds, where she met Hawke's father.

No, no no no no no. Mama Hawke's family lives in Kirkwall--that much has been confirmed--and Hawke's family lives in Lothering--that, too, is confirmed--but there has been nothing to indicate the circumstances under which Mama Hawke changed her living arrangements.

Pritos phrased it as "runnign away," and when Riona asked how he could know all that, he asked "hasn't it been confirmed?" So I was making a list of the things in his post that had NOT, in fact, been confirmed.

So it's possible she ran away, and it's possible Papa Hawke abandoned them, but there has been nothing whatsoever to suggest that this is the case. It's just as possible the Amells gave the marriage their full blessing but they had to move to Lothering for some unrelated reason. Hell, for all we know, Hawke's mother might have been a bastard Papa Amell conceived while on a business trip that took him through Lothering and she grew up there and only found out about her lineage recently...if we want to get really nitpicky. It could be anything at this point. All we KNOW is her family lives in Kirkwall and she does not.

Modifié par SirOccam, 21 septembre 2010 - 09:14 .

[Shepard Lives]

SirOccam wrote...

I wish I knew. We need some good nicknames, stat.

Anakin and Amidala Hawke?
Peter and Mary Jane Hawke?
Cletus and Brandine Hawke?
Mufasa Hawke and.. what was Simba's mother's name again?

Alternatively, we could just call them Crazy Steve and Crazy Steve's squeeze.
No do not thank me. I am here to help.

[Russalka]

Sarabi!

[SirOccam]

shepard_lives wrote...

SirOccam wrote...

I wish I knew. We need some good nicknames, stat.

Anakin and Amidala Hawke?
Peter and Mary Jane Hawke?
Cletus and Brandine Hawke?
Mufasa Hawke and.. what was Simba's mother's name again?

Alternatively, we could just call them Crazy Steve and Crazy Steve's squeeze.
No do not thank me. I am here to help.

Sarabi. No, I did not have to look that up, and yes, I am ashamed.

Edit: *high fives Russalka*

Modifié par SirOccam, 21 septembre 2010 - 09:17 .

[Russalka]

Beat you to it.

*does an extra low-five*

Modifié par Russalka, 21 septembre 2010 - 09:17 .

[Risax]

Those are good nicknames.
Lets use Mufasa and Sarabi for nostalgias sake.

Edit: Or whe could use John and Jane, like John and Jane Doe is used for an unknown person. Or would that be boring? Yeah probably...

Modifié par Risax, 21 septembre 2010 - 09:22 .

[HopHazzard]

SirOccam wrote...

shepard_lives wrote...

SirOccam wrote...

I wish I knew. We need some good nicknames, stat.

Anakin and Amidala Hawke?
Peter and Mary Jane Hawke?
Cletus and Brandine Hawke?
Mufasa Hawke and.. what was Simba's mother's name again?

Alternatively, we could just call them Crazy Steve and Crazy Steve's squeeze.
No do not thank me. I am here to help.

Sarabi. No, I did not have to look that up, and yes, I am ashamed.

Edit: *high fives Russalka*

Russalka wrote...

Sarabi!

It makes me feel better that other people know that.

Anyway, I'm just gonna keep calling them Mama Hawke and Papa Hawke until I get a name. Like the Berenstein Bears.

[Risax]

Since it could be a plot-spoiler BioWare has not said anything about Hawkes father being in game. What are your thoughts? Will he? Or won't he? If he isn't, they should at least make a DLC about him. Could be an interesting story.

[Shepard Lives]

SirOccam wrote...

Sarabi. No, I did not have to look that up, and yes, I am ashamed.

Edit: *high fives Russalka*

Truth be told, I'm the one who feels ashamed. That movie was the staple of my childhood. I still have the VHS, and it is still intact despite having been watched around eleventy gazillion times. Yeah, it's Sarabi.

[SirOccam]

shepard_lives wrote...

SirOccam wrote...

Sarabi. No, I did not have to look that up, and yes, I am ashamed.

Edit: *high fives Russalka*

Truth be told, I'm the one who feels ashamed. That movie was the staple of my childhood. I still have the VHS, and it is still intact despite having been watched around eleventy gazillion times. Yeah, it's Sarabi.

I have the soundtrack too. I don't care what anyone says, This Land (number 6 on the CD, by the way) is one of the best scores ever.

When I thought of the answer, I didn't just think "oh, it's Sarabi." I thought "[JeremyIrons]Sarabiiiii![/JeremyIrons]".

*high fives shepard_lives*

Modifié par SirOccam, 21 septembre 2010 - 09:32 .

[HopHazzard]

Risax wrote...

Since it could be a plot-spoiler BioWare has not said anything about Hawkes father being in game. What are your thoughts? Will he? Or won't he? If he isn't, they should at least make a DLC about him. Could be an interesting story.

My completely baseless is assumption is that Papa Hawke died at some point before the events of the game. My theory that Papa Hawke was a circle mage in Kirkwall who worked for Mama Hawke's family. They fell in love and ran away to Ferelden so they could be married.

SirOccam wrote...
When I thought of the answer, I didn't just think "oh, it's Sarabi." I thought "[JeremyIrons]Sarabiiiii![/JeremyIrons]".

Me too. 

Modifié par HopHazzard, 21 septembre 2010 - 09:32 .

[Risax]

HopHazzard wrote...

Risax wrote...

Since it could be a plot-spoiler BioWare has not said anything about Hawkes father being in game. What are your thoughts? Will he? Or won't he? If he isn't, they should at least make a DLC about him. Could be an interesting story.

My completely baseless is assumption is that Papa Hawke died at some point before the events of the game. My theory that Papa Hawke was a circle mage in Kirkwall who worked for Mama Hawke's family. They fell in love and ran away to Ferelden so they could be married.

 Didn't even think of that. It's possible that nobles have their own Mages, I mean In The Stolen Throne  the Orlesian King of Ferelden (I have no other way to describe it) had a mage advisor as well.

[Daryn Mercio]

If you remember, the human mage origin last name is Amell. Perhaps that is her family member and that is why she wasn't bothered by marrying a mage/apostate
EDIT: Oh damn, I bet your Warden from Origins is Hawkes uncle/aunt if you played as a human mage! Maybe that will be one mention of the Warden

Modifié par Daryn Mercio, 21 septembre 2010 - 09:41 .

[Risax]

Daryn Mercio wrote...

If you remember, the human mage origin last name is Amell. Perhaps that is her family member and that is why she wasn't bothered by marrying a mage/apostate

This was already mentioned on some other threads I believe. But it is very possible one child of the Amells turned out to have magical abilities and was brought to the Circle of Magi.

Modifié par Risax, 21 septembre 2010 - 09:44 .

[Risax]

Daryn Mercio wrote...
Oh damn, I bet your Warden from Origins is Hawkes uncle/aunt if you played as a human mage! Maybe that will be one mention of the Warden

If they truly are related and you import your Human Mage Wardens save, there could be a change he might be mentioned as your Uncle or Aunt.

[SirOccam]

HopHazzard wrote...

SirOccam wrote...
When I thought of the answer, I didn't just think "oh, it's Sarabi." I thought "[JeremyIrons]Sarabiiiii![/JeremyIrons]".

Me too. 

*high five*

Back on topic, I wasn't even thinking about the fact that Warden Amell is a mage. If they (Mama Hawke and Warden Amell) are close relatives (siblings or close cousins or something), then that does make it a little more interesting. Maybe Mama Hawke moved to Ferelden to be closer to the Warden. But then, why would the Warden have been brought to Ferelden at all, and not have just joined the Circle in Kirkwall? Hmm.

[Risax]

SirOccam wrote...

HopHazzard wrote...

SirOccam wrote...
When I thought of the answer, I didn't just think "oh, it's Sarabi." I thought "[JeremyIrons]Sarabiiiii![/JeremyIrons]".

Me too. 

*high five*

Back on topic, I wasn't even thinking about the fact that Warden Amell is a mage. If they (Mama Hawke and Warden Amell) are close relatives (siblings or close cousins or something), then that does make it a little more interesting. Maybe Mama Hawke moved to Ferelden to be closer to the Warden. But then, why would the Warden have been brought to Ferelden at all, and not have just joined the Circle in Kirkwall? Hmm.

My guess is that the Amell family escaped Kirkwall escaped with the Warden as a child because, well Kirkwall is ruled by Templars and I think they are tougher then the ones in Ferelden. I guess they looked for a safe place in Ferelden, but the Warden was caught in Ferelden anyway.

EDIT: Ugh I need sleep... Goodnight seeya tommorow.

Modifié par Risax, 21 septembre 2010 - 10:03 .

[Patriciachr34]

It could be that mama Hawke moved to Ferelden to stay with and Aunt or Uncle for awhile. MH fell in love with a a mage and they ran away together. If this Aunt or Uncle had a child Amell that was a mage, then of course they would be sent to the Circle.

Edit: Or for a truly spicy story, mama Hawke fell in love with a mage from the Kirkwall circle.  The parents sent her to live with relatives in Ferelden and have the child in secret (No baby for the chantry!).  Papa Hawke then fled the Kirkwall circle to join his love and they made a life together near the wilds in Fereleden.  It does make sense that if papa Hawke wnated to raise his family that he would leave the circle as any child he sired woul be taken by the chantry.  It might also make sense for the Amell family ( a possible powerful noble family) to want to keep their daughter's child from being forceably (sp?) removed from her and thus they sent her away to have this child.  Papa and mama Hawke could have been wed secretly to make this a legal thing.

Modifié par Patriciachr34, 21 septembre 2010 - 10:13 .

[SirOccam]

Patriciachr34 wrote...

It could be that mama Hawke moved to Ferelden to stay with and Aunt or Uncle for awhile. MH fell in love with a a mage and they ran away together. If this Aunt or Uncle had a child Amell that was a mage, then of course they would be sent to the Circle.

Edit: Or for a truly spicy story, mama Hawke fell in love with a mage from the Kirkwall circle.  The parents sent her to live with relatives in Ferelden and have the child in secret (No baby for the chantry!).  Papa Hawke then fled the Kirkwall circle to join his love and they made a life together near the wilds in Fereleden.  It does make sense that if papa Hawke wnated to raise his family that he would leave the circle as any child he sired woul be taken by the chantry.  It might also make sense for the Amell family ( a possible powerful noble family) to want to keep their daughter's child from being forceably (sp?) removed from her and thus they sent her away to have this child.  Papa and mama Hawke could have been wed secretly to make this a legal thing.

I like this idea. It's simple and reasonable. Exactly the sort of thing that feels like it could turn out to be right.

Part of me wonders if maybe PapaHawke was killed by Templars, but I can't shake the feeling that there will be a paternal reveal of some kind.