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[Markinator_123]

There are certain renegade interrupts in the game that make wonder why someone would not take them. Some people say that a pure paragon is hardly "stupid good" in this game. In my opinion, not taking these interrupts are either what someone could consider a case of "honor before reason" at best or "stupid good" at worst.

1. Not stabbing Cathka
-You are going into a large battle with only three people and you don't even know who the fourth guy is. You know a gunship is going to make your life harder. Why worry about stabbing a guy who is working for the enemy?

2. Not taking the renegade interrupt on Miranda's loyalty mission
-"This whole time we have been talking my men have been lining up shots." At that point diplomacy goes out of the window.

3. Not burning the krogan on Mordin's loyalty mission
-Seriously, a paragon would literally listen to this guy's whole speech?

These are top renegade interrupts that I believe that everyone should take. If you have more interrupts that you like to add that everyone should take feel free to add them. Nonethless, if someone could give me a good justification for not taking these interrupts, I would like to hear it.

[stewie1974]

Markinator_123 wrote...

There are certain renegade interrupts in the game that make wonder why someone would not take them. Some people say that a pure paragon is hardly "stupid good" in this game. In my opinion, not taking these interrupts are either what someone could consider a case of "honor before reason" at best or "stupid good" at worst.

1. Not stabbing Cathka
-You are going into a large battle with only three people and you don't even know who the fourth guy is. You know a gunship is going to make your life harder. Why worry about stabbing a guy who is working for the enemy?

is there a bug in THE or MY game.????. I stab him... yet a gunship still turns up... I don't stab him... gunship still turns up...

I seriously don't get the point of stabbing him at all..

Modifié par stewie1974, 19 septembre 2010 - 03:55 .

[Badpie]

Markinator_123 wrote...

There are certain renegade interrupts in the game that make wonder why someone would not take them. Some people say that a pure paragon is hardly "stupid good" in this game. In my opinion, not taking these interrupts are either what someone could consider a case of "honor before reason" at best or "stupid good" at worst.

1. Not stabbing Cathka
-You are going into a large battle with only three people and you don't even know who the fourth guy is. You know a gunship is going to make your life harder. Why worry about stabbing a guy who is working for the enemy?

2. Not taking the renegade interrupt on Miranda's loyalty mission
-"This whole time we have been talking my men have been lining up shots." At that point diplomacy goes out of the window.

3. Not burning the krogan on Mordin's loyalty mission
-Seriously, a paragon would literally listen to this guy's whole speech?

These are top renegade interrupts that I believe that everyone should take. If you have more interrupts that you like to add that everyone should take feel free to add them. Nonethless, if someone could give me a good justification for not taking these interrupts, I would like to hear it.

I took the last two, but I can't bring myself to stab the guy in the back.  I mean, it just seems more like murder than a fight. It's an execution, not combat.

But I agree about #2, and #3 I feel like Krogan in general need to be dealt with a little renegade, so my paragon Shepard isn't gonna try to charm them into listening, especially when it's clear the guy is off his nut and won't listen to reason at all.

I also don't take the shove the merc out the window interrupt for the same reason I don't take the Cathka one. Guy is just standing there, arms crossed, totally defenseless and you just murder him.  It's pretty cowardly.  Don't get me wrong. Happy to do it if the guy had reached for his weapon, but he didn't. He was just talking.

[Dibnah]

I think it's more that they needed an interrupt, and stabbing/shooting someone as a renegade interrupt seems more in place than as a paragon interrupt. I don't think they're saying paragon is pacifist, it's just which fitted better.
But I agree having them as renegade interrupts is kinda mis-leading.

Edit- spelling :S

Modifié par Dibnah, 19 septembre 2010 - 03:53 .

[Habelo]

A paragon wouldnt kill someone in their sleep.



Thats not pacifism, that is a sense of honor.

[Badpie]

Habelo wrote...

A paragon wouldnt kill someone in their sleep.

Thats not pacifism, that is a sense of honor.

Right. Shepard is clearly not a pacifist.  He's in the military.  And paragon decisions generally are less violent, but they tend to be more heroic than the renegade ones. Shepard clearly has no problem using violence when needed, but he's not just some trigger happy neanderthal either (unless you play him that way).

[Dibnah]

Habelo wrote...

A paragon wouldnt kill someone in their sleep.

Thats not pacifism, that is a sense of honor.

Fits in with the examples listed, paragon Shepard likes to have a fair fight, so won't attack when somebody is in the middle of a speech for instance.
Which could be seen as stupid...

[Dean_the_Young]

Well, can you imagine if someone shot one of your party members in the middle of a paragon speech, leaving you under fire, in the open, with one party member already down?



...actually, I would love if that happened somewhere.

[Neow]

stewie1974 wrote...

is there a bug in THE or MY game.????. I stab him... yet a gunship still turns up... I don't stab him... gunship still turns up...

I seriously don't get the point of stabbing him at all..

If you didn't stab him, the gunship will turn up with full armor, while if you stab him, the gunship will lose a quarter of its armor when it shows

[Xilizhra]

It's still pure Paragon if making the Renegade choice doesn't cut off any Paragon actions, as in all of the situations you mentioned. The interrupt in Miranda's loyalty mission doesn't even give Renegade points.

[Markinator_123]

Habelo wrote...

A paragon wouldnt kill someone in their sleep.

Thats not pacifism, that is a sense of honor.

Combat pragmatism is better than "honor before reason"

[Markinator_123]

Badpie wrote...

I also don't take the shove the merc out the window interrupt for the same reason I don't take the Cathka one. Guy is just standing there, arms crossed, totally defenseless and you just murder him.  It's pretty cowardly.  Don't get me wrong. Happy to do it if the guy had reached for his weapon, but he didn't. He was just talking.

He fixing the gunship that is going to try to kill you and Garrus. In my opinion, he is fair game. As far as the merc on the Dantius Tower is concerned, he was too dumb to live.

Modifié par Markinator_123, 19 septembre 2010 - 04:42 .

[Moiaussi]

What I could never understand is why you don't sabotage the gunship further? Don't have to blow it up, just shoot the controls or something.



Also you electrocute the tech, not stab him.. he might not even be dead.



The problem with shoving people out windows is that there might be someone or something important below.



And paragon is more a matter of giving a person a chance to surrender than pacifism. It does not mean doing so under fire unless you have a really good reason for believing they might though. Shooting an enemy (sniper or not) is still paragon if there is no reasonably chance to talk them down.

[theelementslayer]

My Sheps a survivalist so if it means stabbing someone in the back then so be it, Ill do it

[EffectedByTheMasses]

You actually don't know you actually killed Cathka. I mean, you electrocute him, but he doesn't necessarily die. Or at least, I'd like to believe so and ease my conscience.



On topic: Later on in the same mission, I found that the renegade interrupt to snipe the mech wasn't really a renegade action. The mech has no feelings, it's not alive, and it's just one less enemy.

[stuffingam]

I think the key difference between a Paragon and a Renegade is that a Renegade is just slightly more a-holish, also, lets not forget the paragon interupt on Zaeed's loyalty mission...It's got nothing to do with Pacifism.

[stuffingam]

EffectedByTheMasses wrote...

You actually don't know you actually killed Cathka. I mean, you electrocute him, but he doesn't necessarily die. Or at least, I'd like to believe so and ease my conscience.

On topic: Later on in the same mission, I found that the renegade interrupt to snipe the mech wasn't really a renegade action. The mech has no feelings, it's not alive, and it's just one less enemy.

With Cathka you send god knows how many volts straight into his spine, i think thats pretty much fatal...

also I believe the Mech thing is considered renegade cos your basicly cutting of Garrus

[wizardryforever]

stuffingam wrote...

I think the key difference between a Paragon and a Renegade is that a Renegade is just slightly more a-holish, also, lets not forget the paragon interupt on Zaeed's loyalty mission...It's got nothing to do with Pacifism.

And the one at the end of Overlord, which is righteous anger.  Although Renegades get a similar action even without an interrupt, so maybe that's not the best example.

[DanaScu]

stewie1974 wrote...

Markinator_123 wrote...

There are certain renegade interrupts in the game that make wonder why someone would not take them. Some people say that a pure paragon is hardly "stupid good" in this game. In my opinion, not taking these interrupts are either what someone could consider a case of "honor before reason" at best or "stupid good" at worst.

1. Not stabbing Cathka
-You are going into a large battle with only three people and you don't even know who the fourth guy is. You know a gunship is going to make your life harder. Why worry about stabbing a guy who is working for the enemy?

is there a bug in THE or MY game.????. I stab him... yet a gunship still turns up... I don't stab him... gunship still turns up...

I seriously don't get the point of stabbing him at all..

You don't stab him you end up facing a fully repaired gunship. Remember, Cathka tells you he needs to get the gunship back to 100% before Tarak needs it again.

You stab him and you end up facing a gunship that wasn't fully repaired = easier to take down.

I always do the interrupt for this one.  Miranda's loyalty mission is 50/50 whether I do it or not.  It is worth it to see the expression on the salarian's face. I've now gotten to the point where I seem to take them down faster if I don't do the interrupt.  Mordin's mission is about 50/50 too. It depends on whether I'm in a grouchy mood that day.

The one I can't pass up even on my paragon of paragon Sheps is headbutting the krogan.

[Mooner911]

Paragon / Renegade 'choices' are BW constructs meant to force you to follow limited plot paths. They actually contradict the concept of RPG. I've found that if I just ignore the whole P / R cage, and play Shep according to who I want him/her to behave based on the situation, it actually increases my enjoyment of the game. Consequences be damned.

[snfonseka]

Badpie wrote...

Habelo wrote...

A paragon wouldnt kill someone in their sleep.

Thats not pacifism, that is a sense of honor.

Right. Shepard is clearly not a pacifist.  He's in the military.  And paragon decisions generally are less violent, but they tend to be more heroic than the renegade ones. Shepard clearly has no problem using violence when needed, but he's not just some trigger happy neanderthal either (unless you play him that way).

According to my understanding all three examples of OP are belongs to that catergory...

[DadeLeviathan]

I usually use all of these unless I'm playing a paragon. The only times I didn't were when I wanted to hear exactly how things went. My 'main' Shepard has a mentality similar to a Justicar's where he kills every person he deems 'evil,' so I usually always take various renegade interrupts like shoving the guy out the window.

[lovgreno]

The terms "Paragon" and "Renegade" have a very wide and elusive meaning in Mass Effect. Depending on the situation they can mean just about anything. So no, paragon does not mean pacifist, on the contrary most paragon decisions incudes violence in some way.

[Nimander]

ME2 made Renegade much more palatable in general. In ME1, a /lot/ of Renegade paths were 'I am the ****'. The only choices I recall liking is the one where Renegade yells at the clerk over the held wife's body, and the 'You experimented on people, you don't deserve to live!' In ME2, there is a bit of the **** but far less. Even my paragons choose a lot of the renegade interrupts for instance, even though most of the Renegade /choices/ they avoid. I still need to run through another Renegade Shephard in ME2, it's been on my list for a while.

I think, especially in ME2, people place too much emphasis on Paragon/Renegade. While I play almost pure Paragon, it's because it's the type of character I enjoy, rather than due to the arbitrary limits of the Blue/Red meters.

Modifié par Nimander, 19 septembre 2010 - 08:34 .

[PsyrenY]

You don't stab him, you taze him. A perfectly humane and viable way to disable a target.



If you're such a pacifist that you can't even do that... why the hell did you join the military?