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Understanding the difference between paragon and pacifism


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Moiaussi

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inversevideo wrote...

It's different because she is still an indentured servant.
Bioware is being clever here.
SI is going to 'free' the Quarian, but garnish her wages until her debt is paid, and there would be no protection for the Quarian, under Illium law as the original contract would be null and void. SI is free to impose whatever terms they see fit, or may be cost effective.  And there would be no 'governing body' to play watchdog and oversee the fair treatment of the Quarian.   Now maybe you implicitly trust corporation in the Mass Effect universe but I have seen enough, on Noveria, and in the news with corporations engaging in warfare to take resources, to lead me to believe that corporations are not the friendly places to work that they seem to be. Ask some of the recent employees of Dantius.


You are missing the fact that she had gotten herself in serious debt, which she takes full responsibility for. If you sign a legitimate loan agreement, you don't get to say 'OMG, slavery!' when the loan is due. You might get to declare bankruptcy, but that usually has at least some ramifications.

The Quarian in question decided to take responsibility for her debts and pay them off. To do so, she entered into a contract with a placement agency, and through them (and Shepard) with SI.

If you pay attention to some of the other in game discussions on indentured servitude, there are limitations on what companies can force. A very simple example would be that they presumably cannot require the person to sign a new longer contract.  As for trusting SI specificly, keep in mind they are reluctant to take on the contract due to PR reasons. If they were to misuse the contract and it got out, wouldn't that be as bad or worse PR?

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SI is under a lot more scrutiny than your average bear (company) though, and I could hardly count a few specific companies and their actions as an average measure of how company's do business.



Considering the size of the galaxy and various laws that must exist in governing everything, while it's readily apparent that companies may enjoy a greater degree of freedom with their actions (and may even be able to conceal them) by the nature of SI though it would seem that the Quarian has a better chance of gaining suitable employment than most.



The Council is probably circling Synthetic Insights like vultures, ready to pounce at any sign of wrong doing.

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Moiaussi wrote...

inversevideo wrote...

It's different because she is still an indentured servant.
Bioware is being clever here.
SI is going to 'free' the Quarian, but garnish her wages until her debt is paid, and there would be no protection for the Quarian, under Illium law as the original contract would be null and void. SI is free to impose whatever terms they see fit, or may be cost effective.  And there would be no 'governing body' to play watchdog and oversee the fair treatment of the Quarian.   Now maybe you implicitly trust corporation in the Mass Effect universe but I have seen enough, on Noveria, and in the news with corporations engaging in warfare to take resources, to lead me to believe that corporations are not the friendly places to work that they seem to be. Ask some of the recent employees of Dantius.


You are missing the fact that she had gotten herself in serious debt, which she takes full responsibility for. If you sign a legitimate loan agreement, you don't get to say 'OMG, slavery!' when the loan is due. You might get to declare bankruptcy, but that usually has at least some ramifications.

The Quarian in question decided to take responsibility for her debts and pay them off. To do so, she entered into a contract with a placement agency, and through them (and Shepard) with SI.

If you pay attention to some of the other in game discussions on indentured servitude, there are limitations on what companies can force. A very simple example would be that they presumably cannot require the person to sign a new longer contract.  As for trusting SI specificly, keep in mind they are reluctant to take on the contract due to PR reasons. If they were to misuse the contract and it got out, wouldn't that be as bad or worse PR?


Nope. I did not miss that at all.  I am merely stating that under Illium law, the Quarian is entitled to certain protections and guaranties, in exchange for her servitude. As an indentured servant, under Illium law, the Quarian is protected, entitled to health care, including suits and clean rooms, and cannot be forced to work under certain conditions, i.e cannot be taken offworld or forced to be a tech in a mining facility.  When you remove those protections, by having SI buy out her contract, and then garnish her wages, (Paragon choice), you are essentially forcing her into indentured servitude, without the benefit of the protections afforded her by Illium law.  However, when you take the Renegade choice, which is to have SI contract withthe 'Slave Broker' the Quarian is protected by Illium law.  But make no mistake, either way the Quarian is still an indentured servant. Which is why I say Bioware is being 'cute' here.

Modifié par inversevideo, 21 septembre 2010 - 03:16 .