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[TheBestClass]

As a console player I'd just like to say that the Claymore is not the magnificent weapon it is on the PC. The Claymore requires you to use an exploit to make it any good in the first place which isn't so bad, I guess, except that the "reload trick" isn't nearly as easy to pull off or as quick as it is on the PC. This really isn't a big issue but it's just disappointing to get to the collector ship and have to chose between a crappy shotgun and assault/sniper rifles which don't feel very Vanguard-like. The Soldier gets the Rev and the Infiltrator gets the Widow. Both these weapons allow their classes to play as they're advertised, only better. The Vanguard, at least on the console, should get the same treatment. At least make it able to fire 3 times before reloading or something.

[AntiChri5]

I just use the Eviscerator, have since it came out.



The reload trick is easy to do, but just feels like cheating for me.

[Conman Seraph_]

I fully agree, the Claymore is very under-powered and deserves patch of some sort.

[cihimi]

Make it as fast as the Scim and an ammo load like the Rev. Then color it shocking fushia and everytime you fire, sparklies fly all over the scene. Oh, also make it bigger and longer, with a switch that makes it throw warp bombs.

[Narosian]

cihimi wrote...

Make it as fast as the Scim and an ammo load like the Rev. Then color it shocking fushia and everytime you fire, sparklies fly all over the scene. Oh, also make it bigger and longer, with a switch that makes it throw warp bombs.

might as well make each pellet a mini-cain while your at it.

Modifié par Narosian, 20 septembre 2010 - 03:13 .

[godlike13]

Not a reload trick guy either (360), so i'd love for them to overhaul the Claymore. They could make it a double barrel, with Evi range. Two quick shots, then reload. That would go a long way IMO. Right now the GPS is the shotgun for me. Can be charged for Claymore power, but has Evi versatility. Love that bad boy for my Vanguard. A better Claymore would be nice though.

Modifié par godlike13, 20 septembre 2010 - 08:31 .

[godlike13]

The reload trick makes this weapon perfect for PCs, but for us consoles we kind of like to aim. A patch to the reload time would be fine, still think a quick double shooter would be cool , but a quick reload time would work too .

Modifié par godlike13, 20 septembre 2010 - 10:38 .

[TheodoricFriede]

Even on the pc, a weapon shouldn't only be useful because of an exploit. No matter how many times Christina Norman says she condones it, its still using a glitch.

I doubt they'll ever patch it, but hopefully if the claymore returns in Mass Effect 3 it will be fixed in some way.

Until then, Geth Pulse Shotgun for the win.

[termokanden]

Yep, I think it deserves a slight buff of some kind.



I think the Revenant does too, although it's not so critical there.



I have to say though I don't like using the GPS for my vanguard. For some reason I found the Eviscerator better. I use the GPS on every other character if I can though.



Now I'm using the Claymore, not because it's best, but because it sounds cool, it looks cool, and it could break a normal humans arm

[Forst1999]

On both my Vanguard playthroughs i abandoned the Claymore for the Evi. The Collector-ship weapons should be great, but not only if you exploit a glitch. I think initally Bioware overestimated the quality of shotguns, so the 3 old ones were actually to weak. This causes the Eviscerator and later the GPS. An upgrade of the Claymore would be better.

@ termokanden I think the Revenant is fine, it just seems weak because of another design oversight: The Mattock fire rate should really be capped at a tenth of it current amount (would only be noticable in a AR)..

The collector ship weapons should be significantly better than the standart or DLC stuff. So yes, upgrade the Claymore. And downgrade the Mattock.

[termokanden]

Yeah agreed on the Mattock. It works so well with Adrenaline Rush that the Revenant seems a bit weak compared. Otherwise the Revenant is actually excellent.

I really do think the Collector ship weapons should be the best, not the DLC weapons you get from the very beginning of the game. That's also what I meant with the Revenant. Why have it as the ultimate upgrade when it's not the best?

Modifié par termokanden, 20 septembre 2010 - 01:43 .

[lazuli]

Forst1999 wrote...

I think initally Bioware overestimated the quality of shotguns, so the 3 old ones were actually to weak.

I have to disagree with you here.  The wide spread of the Katana and Scimitar ensure that they will always be useful for frenetic face to face combat.  The GPS has an odd delay that, while you can certainly get used to it, isn't optimal for a Heavy Charge build.  And I know the Eviscerator is a great weapon, but it doesn't get much use from me due to its strength at mid-range.  The spread is too tight for my taste.

[sinosleep]

Couldn't disagree more about the general state of shotguns. With all the testing done on these forums with regards to weapons, when it comes to killing your standard mobs the shotguns are incredibly well balanced if because nothing else they all kill standard mobs in no time flat time making feel the most important factor in which one to use. The differences only really make themselves apparent n enemies with huge health/defense bars and in the mid range game where most people weren't firing off their shotguns willy nilly before the GPS.

As far as DLC weapons go they've kind of put themselves between a rock and a hard place and they did much the same with Dragon Age DLC weapons and armor. It's hard to imagine a sale pitch consisting of, these weapons and armor aren't any better than what you already paid for and got with the game, but spend money on them any way.

I think they've actually done a better job with ME 2 DLC (I NEVER used any DA:O dlc cause the game is more gear dependent which makes getting ubre gear ubre early even worse) but personally I think they would have been better off sticking to content other than weapons and armor.

Modifié par sinosleep, 20 septembre 2010 - 04:56 .

[OniGanon]

Narosian wrote...

cihimi wrote...

Make it as fast as the Scim and an ammo load like the Rev. Then color it shocking fushia and everytime you fire, sparklies fly all over the scene. Oh, also make it bigger and longer, with a switch that makes it throw warp bombs.

might as well make each pellet a mini-cain while your at it.

[RGFrog]

I agree with Sinosleep. Except that BW failed with DLC in DAO not because of the gameplay but because all DLC could be mimicked and improved by a good mod. DA:O will probably go down as the last game released where BW encouraged modding.

From now on it will be DLC and/or increasingly hard to mod and unsupported modding only.

Had the community been supported with a SDK or official modding tool, the claymore would've had the reload time and animation corrected and no one would've purchased the DLC for the shotgun.

Which is sad since the competition between mod and dlc should've resulted in better DLC, but never really did and never will.

Plus, I don't use shotguns. I feel i'm doing something wrong by allowing targets to get close enough for shotguns to be useful/necessary. I'd rather use a pistol.

[termokanden]

I take it you're not playing a vanguard then

[PsyrenY]

Scimitar needs more love. It is now my favorite shotgun. It beats them all unless you reload trick Claymore, and since many of you don't like to do that... just use Scimitar.

See here, here and here for relevant usage.

[termokanden]

It just doesn't feel right to me with the weak damage per shot. This is why I use the Claymore on my vanguard. It's not the best gun, but it's still a beast and fun to use.

[Bozorgmehr]

I don't understand what's debated here. The OP is arguing to upgrade the Claymore because it's not much of an improvement compared to other SGs damage wise, without using the 'reload trick'. This is true, but even without using the 'reload trick' Claymore still is only reliable oneshot SG (no melee). The 'reload trick' has nothing to do with Claymore, you can (and most people already do) use 'reload trick' using any weapon. Claymore only benefits most coz it has to be reloaded every single shot.

I like ME2's shotguns, very well balanced and deadly used right. Claymore is the unique SG and has all the trademarks the ultimate SG should have - the look, recoil, sounds - it requires some skill to get the most out of it though, but Claymore is far from being OPed (unlike the GPS, I don't consider this thing a SG, but it's the most effective 'shotgun' in ME2. If you're looking for firepower and the ability to use it at medium range, the GPS is what you need).

Only bad thing about Claymore is that only two classes can get one (without modding that is  )

[PsyrenY]

I agree that the Claymore deserves a buff. It should be, if not the top shotgun, at least a contender for the spot the way Widow is top SR.

The Revenant fell into a similar trap due to the Mattock.

[sinosleep]

The reload trick really only comes into play when facing high level mobs or large groups. It still one shots like nobody's business so on the whole even without the reload trick it's certainly not an awful weapon.

[PsyrenY]

sinosleep wrote...

The reload trick really only comes into play when facing high level mobs or large groups. It still one shots like nobody's business so on the whole even without the reload trick it's certainly not an awful weapon.

It's not that the Claymore is BAD... it's just that taking it means no Mattock/Viper for your Vanguard, and no Widow for your soldier. I think many players would rather have a decent shotgun with great backup, than a decent shotgun with *no* backup.

In short, what you get isn't much compared to what you give up. It is pretty manly though.

Modifié par Optimystic_X, 20 septembre 2010 - 08:16 .

[TheBestClass]

Bozorgmehr wrote...

I don't understand what's debated here. The OP is arguing to upgrade the Claymore because it's not much of an improvement compared to other SGs damage wise, without using the 'reload trick'. This is true, but even without using the 'reload trick' Claymore still is only reliable oneshot SG (no melee). The 'reload trick' has nothing to do with Claymore, you can (and most people already do) use 'reload trick' using any weapon. Claymore only benefits most coz it has to be reloaded every single shot.

I like ME2's shotguns, very well balanced and deadly used right. Claymore is the unique SG and has all the trademarks the ultimate SG should have - the look, recoil, sounds - it requires some skill to get the most out of it though, but Claymore is far from being OPed (unlike the GPS, I don't consider this thing a SG, but it's the most effective 'shotgun' in ME2. If you're looking for firepower and the ability to use it at medium range, the GPS is what you need).

Only bad thing about Claymore is that only two classes can get one (without modding that is  )

The Claymore seems to fall behind every shotgun without the reload trick. The fact that the Claymore benefits most from the reload trick as you said is not an argument in the Claymore's favor. It's an exploit people use because the thing is so underpowered otherwise. It seems like some people here have convinced themselves that the Claymore is an awesome weapon because it just so happens to be the gun that requires an exploit that none of the other guns need to fulfill their role appropriately. All other weapons in the game are very well balanced and can easily be used without the reload trick. And to reiterate: the reload trick is not nearly as helpful on the xbox as it is on the PC which is a moot point anyway because it is still an exploit, not a feature of the game's combat.