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Loved LOTSB.  Great in many ways, and surprisingly for me... the dossiers were some of the most fun I have had reading in a long time.  It made me like emails again.  I think it will get DLC of the year.  

So, here are a few of my random thoughts for the dossiers... all of which seem to be "pre-suicide mission" looks into each character.
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1. Zaeed: A fav character of mine.  I LOVED his storytelling with Kelly.  Great story, and it just added (toungue in cheek) to the fact that Zaeed "talks to you", he doesn't "talk with you".  He talks with no one... he just tells stories.  And it was a middle finger to the people that complained about his lack of conversation trees.  TOO BAD!  You get his stories in his dossier also.    So badassed. 

2. Garrus: I am not as big of a fan as some on here, but the entire email with family regarding his mom was touching.  He is a very good guy, but like many in a position of risk and privlidge (think special forces or secret service), they must often look like an ass, or a bum,  to do the right thing.  

3. Miranda:  Her dossier added a lot to her character if you ask me, even if it is a side of her that her fans may not
like. Not being able to have kids, and "sleeping around" (even if for business, not pleasure) really tests the fanbase of Miranda. Those seeking a "wholesome" "traditional virginal romantic love" with a "dog and kids" ending with Miranda will have their loyalty put to the test. (but aren't those people all Tali fans anyway?  They are trying to figure out how shemp and Tali can have kids as we speak...)

Also very ironic is the fact that she was cloned from her father... and to have kids, Miranda will have to do the same. Well written.  Will she do it given the resentment she has about what her dad did to her?

In the end the Dossier for Miranda adds a lot to the character because it reinforces the changes Shep can have on her personality if you pursue a LI with her. It also highlights how sad her existence is otherwise (although improved with the loyalty mission). This makes her character more endearing in my eyes.

4. Tali: I was a little surprised that there was not more in this one given the temptation for writers to cater to her rabid fanbase.  The horny virgin.  Face it... that is what the writers reinforced with Tali.  (creepy that it will add to her popularity  across all age demographics).  I really saw it as a tongue and cheek poke of irony at "stereotypical" "young gamer falls in love with game character" fans.  Tali meets shep... falls in love in a young, romantic, idealized, "butterflies and bees", unblemished, virginal kind of way.  She reads up about humans... obsesses about them, and has lots of "neurostimulation" in the process.  I am sure there are some gamers that read that, and after swapping "human" for "Quarian" (or maybe Asari), and realized that they just looked at themselves in the mirror.  

Things get interesting for me only when your shep is Female.  Get your mind out of the gutter (Tali shuts down Femsheps), but that leads us to another human male on the ship... Jacob? Joker?  Zaeed? (kidding on the last one)

5. Kasumi - building on her interest in Jacob.  I love this tongue-in-cheek reference by the writers to the low popularity of Jacob .  Added to that is the film of Jacob doing situps... and you get GOLD.  

6. Grunt - this is great because it reinforces that he is still a kid.  Porno mags, sharks, and Dinosaurs (which is funny, because when people would complain about "loss of immersion in ME2" I would say... "but what about the talking Space Dinosaurs walking around shooting lazers?")

7. Samara - Like Garrus... shows what she sacraficed with her family to "do the right thing". 

8. Jacob - not  much here.  ONe would think that they might take this as an opportunity to salvage his lack of popularity with some "Garrus dossier" type heartbreaker... but no... they leave him in the cold.  Which is awesome.  Even the writers have given up and just use him as an inside Joke.  Part of me sees him as the underdog now.  I kind of wish they redeem him in ME3 (I predict a heart wrenching sacrafice of his life mid-game).  

EDIT: Somone reminded me that the Shadow Broker dossier says that Jacob is a stabilizing personality for the crew.  WOW!  Hold on folks... that means that Jacob is none other than...futurama Jerry Seinfeld.  He is the straight guy that stabalizes the other personalities.  GOLD!!! Mordin is Kramer.  Miranda is Elaine.  Biotic God is George. Harbinger is Neuman.  TIM is Steinbrenner.  It all makesso much sense now!

(and by request... the dossiers I forgot...)

9. Legion - I like this one for the ability of the writers to make fun of themselves and gamers.  Just like the Salarian in the gaming store on the Citadel... this is a poke at all of us gamers, by gamers, in a game.  Very "Deadpool", very "4th wall."  The cherry on top for me was the bans that he recieved, and seemed to dodge (I wonder how he did that...).  Again a reference to real life bans that people get in games for hacking stats or using special controllers.   

10. Mordin - Less memorable for me, but I have never been huge on Mordin.  However the "cloaca" bit was a hilarious use of appropriate zoological anatomy.  

11. Thane - I admit to not romancing Thane so the content that I got was pretty bland.  The love letter adds to  Samara and Garrus as being more serious dossiers to balance the humerous and silly ones.  Like Miranda's dossier, it really (and more directly) shows how much you change him in a LI.  It also reinforces Thane's position as a man of chivalry.  It is not about sex or whatever... just caring about someone.  Caring for someone so much that  it makes you want to change yourself, value yourself.  THAT is romantic.  THAT is love.  Femsheps, if you have not romanced Thane... jump on it while you can... THAT is a PRIZE!!!  Sheploos... take notes to learn the ways that get the lays. 

12. Jack - I struggle to remember the details of this one... so that tells me that this may not be a good sign regarding what I thought about it.  I guess it means that I neither loved or hated it (a bad thing.. think Jacob).  Now that I am forced to think about it... I like it a lot.   I knew this lesbian that was big on poetry, and she had a website that she started and edited that was composed of user-submitted poetry.  I remember her saying that she got piles of some of the worst crap you could ever read... total written diarrhea, to the point that it would challange her love of poetry, and sanity.  And it was usually the "dark" stuff.  She often had to reject submissions.  It hurt her because she knew that to the writer it ment a lot... but to her it was drivil.  This made me think of Jack.  I like her dossier now.    


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Hopefully Bioware have left the dossiers open to further content updates, as I find them to be very enjoyable... and a much better alternative to "emails to shep" to tie up small plotlines from previous games.  Intel on a character just sounds more realistic than an email to shep... and it allows for more varried style to "Dear Shep..."

Modifié par Throw_this_away, 21 septembre 2010 - 01:17 .


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IMO, you left some of the best ones off your list : 

Mordin
Legion
Jack
Thane (romanced Thane, especially)

Good insight / points.  I loved the dossiers, I think they were the cherry on the top of the delicious DLC  sundae that is LotSB.

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kaimanaMM wrote...

IMO, you left some of the best ones off your list : 

Mordin
Legion
Jack
Thane (romanced Thane, especially)

Good insight / points.  I loved the dossiers, I think they were the cherry on the top of the delicious DLC  sundae that is LotSB.


They were all great... but I wanted to avoid a wall of text.  Legion was especially great.  

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Actually, those dossiers made me like those characters I was indifferent about before and made me love those more, that I already loved before. Can't remember who said that in another thread but it's actually my opinion too. Loved the dossiers. And still haven't even read all of them.

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The dossiers were a great addition. I especially loved the extra bit you get for a romanced Thane.

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FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

The dossiers were a great addition. I especially loved the extra bit you get for a romanced Thane.


This made me sad since Thane is one of my favorites :(

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mrsph wrote...

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

The dossiers were a great addition. I especially loved the extra bit you get for a romanced Thane.


This made me sad since Thane is one of my favorites :(

It gives me hope as much as it makes me sad. :)

For those of you who might have missed it, here it is, right from the ME Wiki:

Note: This only appears if Thane is the current love interest for a female Shepard.

Intercepted Correspondence Saved to Personal Drive

Siha,

I write this with a heavy hand, knowing you will read this letter when I am no longer able to share my thoughts. I am dying, Siha. Perhaps because of the differences between our species, I can hope that time will treat you with kindness and dim the hurt of my passing to faded recollections that a drell would forever remember with perfect clarity.

Selfishly, however, I could not leave this world without leaving a piece of me behind that would never fade.

I once accepted my fate. Nothing remained but a shell destined to die. I only had to choose the when and how of my passing. I had refused to be confined to a bed, gasping horribly as my life beeped away to machinery I had no use for. I thought of my Irikah, broken, bloodied, and betrayed by my absence. Of Kolyat, small and afraid, bravely pushing at his eyes to stem the flow of tears I had entrusted him to cry... for both our sakes.

The expectation to move swiftly to my end vanished upon uniting with your cause. You awoke me, Shepard. My heart quickened its sluggish beat if only to remain at your side and protect you with everything that I am. I was content to simply watch, take the time left given and praise all I know for allowing me to walk my final days with hope and certainty that I am worthy of more than my cold isolation, solely because you believed.

I love you. If all else whispers back into the tide, know this for fact. By grace given me by the Goddess Arashu, I bid her divine protection to you, my warrior-angel, my Siha, to succeed in your destiny. To light your path through the coming darkness. To give you hope, when all seems lost.

I will await you across the sea.

Thane


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mrsph wrote...

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

The dossiers were a great addition. I especially loved the extra bit you get for a romanced Thane.


This made me sad since Thane is one of my favorites :(


why? it makes sense that only a Shepard who romanced Thane got this bit. It's kinda sad that not all of the others got something similar but the extra bit was REALLY fitting for Thane. It's just so....Thane of him.

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I think that the dossiers were a neat idea to give more insight into the characters.

However, there is a huge glaring oversight.

Kaidan/Ashely are not mentioned even in passing. All other love interests get their own darn section. And they are not mentioned. Not once.

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Jade5233 wrote...

I think that the dossiers were a neat idea to give more insight into the characters.
However, there is a huge glaring oversight.
Kaidan/Ashely are not mentioned even in passing. All other love interests get their own darn section. And they are not mentioned. Not once.

I've been wondering the same myself, but I guess the ME1 team (save Tali and Garrus) weren't given any real thought in LOTSB, if at all. You'd expect Joker and Dr. Chakwas to have their own dossiers as well, but no.

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J4N3_M3 wrote...

why? it makes sense that only a Shepard who romanced Thane got this bit. It's kinda sad that not all of the others got something similar but the extra bit was REALLY fitting for Thane. It's just so....Thane of him.


Because Thane and his terminal illness remind me a lot of my dad in his final years.

Also, I was kind of miffed that Kaidan/Ashley weren't mentioned. But I can write that off as them wanting to save those two for something else.

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On Miranda:



Some of her fans asked why she'd go to a dating site to find a 'donor'. Some might think she's into one night stands but to me its pretty clear the sequence is she's trying to get pregnant. Also I think it totally makes sense that she would try to conceive a baby the natural way as opposed to any type of artificial insemination or in vitro fertilization. This is a final rejection of her father's twisted use of science and genetic engineering in general.



Also we find out what Jacob meant when he says "She needed more man than him" ;)

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I must be the only one who thought mirandas dossier was out of character.I dont see her as very motherly at all and wanting to start raising a child right before a supposed suicide mission is completely irrational, something miranda doesnt seem to be.

"Wait a second Harbinger, Mirandas going into labor!"

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crumbsucker wrote...

I must be the only one who thought mirandas dossier was out of character.I dont see her as very motherly at all and wanting to start raising a child right before a supposed suicide mission is completely irrational, something miranda doesnt seem to be.

"Wait a second Harbinger, Mirandas going into labor!"


Out of character?  Not really... given that it is her character, and not the character that some people would like her to be.  I would thinkk that a suicide mission would increase one's thoughts of wanting to have offspring... even if it comes down to getting a fertalized egg and putting it away in a futurama fridge just in case you happen to live through the mission.  

In regards to labor... I think nine months could pass in some of those PC gamer playthroughs that lasted into the 60+ hour range.  

Harbinger: We are the Harbinger of your perfection!
Miranda: Shut it!  Perfection is having labor without contraction every three minutes!!!
Harbinger: I know you feel this!!!
Miranda: Damn striaght I do.  How would you like to squeeze a head this big out of your Collector junk?!?!?
Harbinger: This form is irrelivent!
Miranda: That's what she said!
Harbinger: Assuming Direct control!!!
Miranda: That line is what got your here in the first place Romeo.  Just hurry this damn thing up... or get me an epidural!
Harbinger: This form is fragile.  (Harbinger turns pale...)
Miranda: At least you can admit your limitations...
Harbinger: Realeasing control (Falls to floor)
Miranda: Men... they are all the same.  They love it... that is, until it is bleeding and pushing out their child. 

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The reason I say mirandas dossier is out of character is she comes off as a dedicated career woman who is very busy being a higher up of cerberus and enjoying it immensely.I never once got the feeling she longed for a child and/or family(even when romancing her).Her job seems to be her life and she seemed content with it.

This is my perception of her and not some kind of  wanting her to fit in any predetermined notion of what she should be.She is a great character and I just happened to fail to see a connection between her and her dossier.

And wanting to have a child before a suicide mission where theres a good chance of not returning is incredibly selfish and unfair to the child.I understand thinking of your legacy before confronting almost certain death, but that doesnt make it right in my world.Why procreate if humanity will become extinct if you dont fully concentrate on stopping it?Plenty of time for the beast with two backs after victory.

This is all my opinion and in no way am I saying my percetion of miranda is right and anyone elses is wrong.I know her dossier proves my opinion  wrong.Im just saying I was surprised by her  wanting to rear a child.I guess shes not as cold as I initially thought.

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FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

mrsph wrote...

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

The dossiers were a great addition. I especially loved the extra bit you get for a romanced Thane.


This made me sad since Thane is one of my favorites :(

It gives me hope as much as it makes me sad. :)

For those of you who might have missed it, here it is, right from the ME Wiki:

Note: This only appears if Thane is the current love interest for a female Shepard.

Intercepted Correspondence Saved to Personal Drive

Siha,

I write this with a heavy hand, knowing you will read this letter when I am no longer able to share my thoughts. I am dying, Siha. Perhaps because of the differences between our species, I can hope that time will treat you with kindness and dim the hurt of my passing to faded recollections that a drell would forever remember with perfect clarity.

Selfishly, however, I could not leave this world without leaving a piece of me behind that would never fade.

I once accepted my fate. Nothing remained but a shell destined to die. I only had to choose the when and how of my passing. I had refused to be confined to a bed, gasping horribly as my life beeped away to machinery I had no use for. I thought of my Irikah, broken, bloodied, and betrayed by my absence. Of Kolyat, small and afraid, bravely pushing at his eyes to stem the flow of tears I had entrusted him to cry... for both our sakes.

The expectation to move swiftly to my end vanished upon uniting with your cause. You awoke me, Shepard. My heart quickened its sluggish beat if only to remain at your side and protect you with everything that I am. I was content to simply watch, take the time left given and praise all I know for allowing me to walk my final days with hope and certainty that I am worthy of more than my cold isolation, solely because you believed.

I love you. If all else whispers back into the tide, know this for fact. By grace given me by the Goddess Arashu, I bid her divine protection to you, my warrior-angel, my Siha, to succeed in your destiny. To light your path through the coming darkness. To give you hope, when all seems lost.

I will await you across the sea.

Thane



Guess what I felt when one of my femsheps who originally romanced Liara and then Thane, broke up with Thane and fixed her relationship Liara, and then read Thanes dossier... Kinda felt like a stab to the guts.

Yes, that letter is just awesome.

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Why don't you say anything about Legion, Mordin, Jack and Thane?

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Legions was by far the best out of the lot, although I really wish the VS would have had an entry. Also a Joker one would have been good, could only imagine the stuff on there about him flipping off Alliance command or something like that.

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crumbsucker wrote...

The reason I say mirandas dossier is out of character is she comes off as a dedicated career woman who is very busy being a higher up of cerberus and enjoying it immensely.I never once got the feeling she longed for a child and/or family(even when romancing her).Her job seems to be her life and she seemed content with it.

This is my perception of her and not some kind of  wanting her to fit in any predetermined notion of what she should be.She is a great character and I just happened to fail to see a connection between her and her dossier.

And wanting to have a child before a suicide mission where theres a good chance of not returning is incredibly selfish and unfair to the child.I understand thinking of your legacy before confronting almost certain death, but that doesnt make it right in my world.Why procreate if humanity will become extinct if you dont fully concentrate on stopping it?Plenty of time for the beast with two backs after victory.

This is all my opinion and in no way am I saying my percetion of miranda is right and anyone elses is wrong.I know her dossier proves my opinion  wrong.Im just saying I was surprised by her  wanting to rear a child.I guess shes not as cold as I initially thought.


I 100% hear you. I was surprised also... but given her poersonality changes post Loyalty/LI... I am not so surprised.  

I like this dossier A LOT because it tells us that Miranda is more than just a career woman (and a good one at that given her past mission history).  What makes her dossier great to me is the fact that it does come as a bit of a surprise.  I love the added depth to the character... I like the contrasts, the tension and "incompatabilities"  within her own personality.  

Furthermore, I love the irony of her very calculated attempt(s) at children.  Your points of selfish and legacy hit home for me.  The health screens of partners having to meet her criterion.  She doesn't care to see or even like the guy... she wants a clean bill of health (good genetics?).  Sound like someone?  The apple does not fall far from the tree.  Add to that that she can't have kids... and we see the possibility of Miranda very much following in her father's footsteps.  Selfish and legacy begin to really hit home.  On the other hand, Shep seems to help her open up and become more honest with herself.  Thus, IMHO, I think that with Miranda you can read between the lines and say that Sheps choices can make a huge difference in the type of person she will become.  Or so I would like to think.  ;)

Tali is just horny, Grunt is just a regular teen... but IMHO Miranda's dossier shined because it was funny on one level, but made you think, and really developed the character on another level.  

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Mesina2 wrote...

Why don't you say anything about Legion, Mordin, Jack and Thane?


OP edited to include them.  

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Actually, I found Jacob dossier a bit telling.



His favorite movies are Blasto, The making of Blasto, an asari skin-flick, and Old Yeller.



I see Blasto being in the same category as Batman Begins, a really great action flick but there is certain part of the audience that came expecting more than explosions. They want the origin story of their favorite hero. Now he watches that, and the behind the scenes making. To me, that puts him in the same group as the a fore mentioned Batman purists. Can anyone say geek?



The only thing I'm going to say about the asari thing is he's not the only one who has it.



And then we get to Old Yeller. The Disney masterpiece that makes us bawl every time. What else can I say except either he's one of those sensitive guys who doesn't mind emotional movies, or he's a sadist who likes watching Yeller get shot. Considering the Shadow Broker dossier also says he's there to be a stabilizing personality for the crew, I'm inclined to think it's the former.

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HakkyounoTenshi wrote...
Considering the Shadow Broker dossier also says he's there to be a stabilizing personality for the crew.


Jacob is Jerry Seinfeld.  He is the straight guy that stabalizes the other personalities.  GOLD!!! Mordin is Kramer.  Miranda is Elaine.  Biotic God is George.  Harbinger is Neuman.  TIM is Steinbrenner.  It all makes so much sense now!  

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I got a nice kick out of Grunt's. Garrus was my bro before, now he's all that more cooler (what WOULD that Turian anthem sound like???). Legion's says that they have a conscience, maybe a heart (the Geth attack fundraiser one), and also lulz.

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Jack's dossier was heart-breaking.  The lies the Cerberus doctor told made my blood boil.  From a roleplaying perspective, though my Sole Survivor Shepard who romanced Jack feels closer to her, he just doesn't know how he should tell Jack what he learned.  He doesn't even know if he should tell her. 

There's great roleplaying potential in the dossiers that I think people tend to gloss over.  Was it ethical to even read any of the dossiers beyond the first word?

As for Miranda's dossier, I thought that she was trying to get pregnant before the events of ME2.  If she's a career woman, and I think she is, I don't think that she would mix the task of bringing Shepard back with her own personal endeavors.

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1. WTF WHY DOES THANE HAVE ROMANCE-UNIQUE DOSSIER CONTENT. Where is MY romance-unique dossier content? Where?! WHERE?!

2. Mirimancers don't want happy perfect endings with Miranda, how silly is that given her character. I don't have any plans at all. Why must all fans have long term romance plans? I think it's creepy in a virtual romance anyway.

3. I don't think we can say with any certainty at all that this is why Miranda "requires a better man" than Jacob. How I loathe when we make this all about semen. Yeah, this was all a semen contest, Jacob's came back "yo b*tch you lookin' at the priiize" and Shepard's came back "leading male protagonist - jackpot".

And @ york - her username says "SR2".

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