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[Caihn]

Nightwriter wrote... 

2. Mirimancers don't want happy perfect endings with Miranda, how silly is that given her character. I don't have any plans at all. Why must all fans have long term romance plans? I think it's creepy in a virtual romance anyway.

Speak for yourself. You don't represent all Miranda fans.
There are many Miri fans who want an happy ending. 
The opinion of few people in the fan thread don't represent the general opinion of the whole fan base.

Modifié par Yannkee, 21 septembre 2010 - 04:42 .

[Nightwriter]

I've heard that explanation before. Maybe it's my insecurities, but it seems kind of flimsy to me. I prefer thinking it's a writing oversight or something.

I mean I imagine she'd probably use something that references Lazarus Station, not the Normandy.

Yannkee wrote...

Speak for yourself. You don't represent all Miranda fans.
There are many Miri fans who want an happy ending. 
The opinion of few people in the fan thread don't represent the general opinion of the whole fan base.

Relax. Listen to what the OP said:

"Those seeking a 'wholesome' 'traditional virginal romantic love' with a 'dog and kids' ending with Miranda..."

Are you really telling me you want a virginal romance with Miranda where she bakes bread in the kitchen for you and the young'uns and never leaves the house and waves you off to work every morning after chattering excitedly with the other cub scout mothers that you were the first one she lost her virginity to?

Because if so, hey, I will humbly back down and say I was truly mistaken about what people in the fanbase generally desire.

Modifié par Nightwriter, 21 septembre 2010 - 07:08 .

[Caihn]

Personally, all I want is Shepard & Miri happy together. And if Miranda really want to become a mother, her infertility problem is something I would like to be resolved. Not necessarily a cure, they can consider adoption, or a solution with her sister, I don't know.

I'm not the only one who want this. The "traditional virginal romantic love with dog and kids" is maybe too much for Miranda, but she can have a happy future with a family. Considering her reaction when she see Oriana and her family during the loyalty mission, it's not impossible to imagine Miranda wanting her own family too.


About her username : I agree with yorkj86. She could have used "SR2" a long time before Shepard woke up. She was the Lazarus project director, and she was aware of the SR2 project. TIM certainly said to Miranda she will be the XO, so she could study the ship, give her opinion about the crew, and prepare herself for her new assignment.
But I don't take seriously the Ipartner dossier (except if it's something related to her desire to have kids).

[Throw_this_away]

I think Shep will die in ME3, so long term happiness will not be an option for any LI of Shep.

[Mondo47]

yorkj86 wrote...

As for Miranda's dossier, I thought that she was trying to get pregnant before the events of ME2.  If she's a career woman, and I think she is, I don't think that she would mix the task of bringing Shepard back with her own personal endeavors.

I read the whole dating-website thing a little differently, I guess. I saw it more as Miranda, prior to the whole Larazus Project really growing wings when Shepard was revived, looking to get an itch scratched. Now I know that this might seem horribly offensive to some sections of the fanbase, but Miranda is a woman; she has desires that run under that cold, businesslike exterior (if she didn't, she wouldn't entertain a romance with Shep). She doesn't really have the time or inclination to get to know someone for the purpose of having sex (a relationship is probably too much of a demand on her career, focus and emotions - and children would be an even bigger demand, so I don't see it as her hunting for a sperm donor), nor does she want to chance someone's sexual history (in regards to previous infections, disorders, disfunction, etc.) so she uses the dating site to vet potential partners. When she runs across someone that fits the bill, she cuts right to the chase; be here at this time and close escrow. If that sounds shallow or even a little like using people, uh, tough. Women have desires and needs and sometimes all that hearts and flowers stuff is just not what you want; you want to get your ashes hauled, plain and simple. There's nothing shameful about that, either - Miranda makes no illusions to the people she communicates with that she's there for anything more than sex.

[Caihn]

Throw_this_away wrote...

I think Shep will die in ME3, so long term happiness will not be an option for any LI of Shep.

I think there will be different endings. One of them should be Shepard's death. But I think we'll also have happier endings (like DA:O).

[GodWood]

Yannkee wrote...
But I don't take seriously the Ipartner dossier (except if it's something related to her desire to have kids).

Why?

[Fiery Phoenix]

Yannkee wrote...

Throw_this_away wrote...

I think Shep will die in ME3, so long term happiness will not be an option for any LI of Shep.

I think there will be different endings. One of them should be Shepard's death. But I think we'll also have happier endings (like DA:O).

Yup, this probably.

[Mondo47]

GodWood wrote...

Yannkee wrote...
But I don't take seriously the Ipartner dossier (except if it's something related to her desire to have kids).

Why?

I don't get that perspective either. I mean, ok, some of the responses are played for laughs (satirising the whole ethos of dating websites) but based on my interpretation of the dossier at least I saw nothing there that seemed like BioWare treating a character as sport for humour's sake.

[Mondo47]

yorkj86 wrote...

Okay.  That's all fair, and reasonable.  I just thought that Bioware was trying to create a logical connection between the dossier where she's told that she's infertile, and the dossier where she's shown to be browsing a dating service.

That's a reasonable hypothesis too - we can't really be sure of specifics either way

[Nightwriter]

Mondo47 wrote...

I read the whole dating-website thing a little differently, I guess. I saw it more as Miranda, prior to the whole Larazus Project really growing wings when Shepard was revived, looking to get an itch scratched. Now I know that this might seem horribly offensive to some sections of the fanbase, but Miranda is a woman; she has desires that run under that cold, businesslike exterior (if she didn't, she wouldn't entertain a romance with Shep). She doesn't really have the time or inclination to get to know someone for the purpose of having sex (a relationship is probably too much of a demand on her career, focus and emotions - and children would be an even bigger demand, so I don't see it as her hunting for a sperm donor), nor does she want to chance someone's sexual history (in regards to previous infections, disorders, disfunction, etc.) so she uses the dating site to vet potential partners. When she runs across someone that fits the bill, she cuts right to the chase; be here at this time and close escrow. If that sounds shallow or even a little like using people, uh, tough. Women have desires and needs and sometimes all that hearts and flowers stuff is just not what you want; you want to get your ashes hauled, plain and simple. There's nothing shameful about that, either - Miranda makes no illusions to the people she communicates with that she's there for anything more than sex.

All she asks for is these guys' medical records. A guy could have a spotless medical record but look like this:



If she needs to scratch an itch, I really think she'd just walk into a bar, find a suitably good looking guy and take care of business. I don't think we can say she'd be "too busy" to do this, either. I feel confident Miranda could find a decent enough guy in a single night of clubbin' - which is at least as long as it would take to meet some internet guy at some apartment.

[TMA LIVE]

Nightwriter wrote...

Mondo47 wrote...

I read the whole dating-website thing a little differently, I guess. I saw it more as Miranda, prior to the whole Larazus Project really growing wings when Shepard was revived, looking to get an itch scratched. Now I know that this might seem horribly offensive to some sections of the fanbase, but Miranda is a woman; she has desires that run under that cold, businesslike exterior (if she didn't, she wouldn't entertain a romance with Shep). She doesn't really have the time or inclination to get to know someone for the purpose of having sex (a relationship is probably too much of a demand on her career, focus and emotions - and children would be an even bigger demand, so I don't see it as her hunting for a sperm donor), nor does she want to chance someone's sexual history (in regards to previous infections, disorders, disfunction, etc.) so she uses the dating site to vet potential partners. When she runs across someone that fits the bill, she cuts right to the chase; be here at this time and close escrow. If that sounds shallow or even a little like using people, uh, tough. Women have desires and needs and sometimes all that hearts and flowers stuff is just not what you want; you want to get your ashes hauled, plain and simple. There's nothing shameful about that, either - Miranda makes no illusions to the people she communicates with that she's there for anything more than sex.

All she asks for is these guys' medical records. A guy could have a spotless medical record but look like this:



If she needs to scratch an itch, I really think she'd just walk into a bar, find a suitably good looking guy and take care of business. I don't think we can say she'd be "too busy" to do this, either. I feel confident Miranda could find a decent enough guy in a single night of clubbin' - which is at least as long as it would take to meet some internet guy at some apartment.

In the email, didn't it says that she can see a 3D version of them?

[Zaxares]

Mondo47 wrote...

I read the whole dating-website thing a little differently, I guess. I saw it more as Miranda, prior to the whole Larazus Project really growing wings when Shepard was revived, looking to get an itch scratched. Now I know that this might seem horribly offensive to some sections of the fanbase, but Miranda is a woman; she has desires that run under that cold, businesslike exterior (if she didn't, she wouldn't entertain a romance with Shep). She doesn't really have the time or inclination to get to know someone for the purpose of having sex (a relationship is probably too much of a demand on her career, focus and emotions - and children would be an even bigger demand, so I don't see it as her hunting for a sperm donor), nor does she want to chance someone's sexual history (in regards to previous infections, disorders, disfunction, etc.) so she uses the dating site to vet potential partners. When she runs across someone that fits the bill, she cuts right to the chase; be here at this time and close escrow. If that sounds shallow or even a little like using people, uh, tough. Women have desires and needs and sometimes all that hearts and flowers stuff is just not what you want; you want to get your ashes hauled, plain and simple. There's nothing shameful about that, either - Miranda makes no illusions to the people she communicates with that she's there for anything more than sex.

Mondo's conclusion is pretty much the same as mine. I didn't interpret those e-mails and chat logs as Miranda deliberately trying to get pregnant. Rather, it shows her approach to intimacy and sex; she has desires and needs just like all humans do, but she's deliberately trying not to get too close to her partners (notice how she rejects candidates who even give a hint of wanting a relationship?). The overall impression I got from her dossier was that of somebody who wanted intimacy and sexual release as much as anyone else, but who was too afraid of letting people get close to her. (Her entire storyline, and loyalty mission, emphasises this.)

[Kikaimegami]

Mondo47 wrote...

yorkj86 wrote...

As for Miranda's dossier, I thought that she was trying to get pregnant before the events of ME2.  If she's a career woman, and I think she is, I don't think that she would mix the task of bringing Shepard back with her own personal endeavors.

I read the whole dating-website thing a little differently, I guess. I saw it more as Miranda, prior to the whole Larazus Project really growing wings when Shepard was revived, looking to get an itch scratched. Now I know that this might seem horribly offensive to some sections of the fanbase, but Miranda is a woman; she has desires that run under that cold, businesslike exterior (if she didn't, she wouldn't entertain a romance with Shep). She doesn't really have the time or inclination to get to know someone for the purpose of having sex (a relationship is probably too much of a demand on her career, focus and emotions - and children would be an even bigger demand, so I don't see it as her hunting for a sperm donor), nor does she want to chance someone's sexual history (in regards to previous infections, disorders, disfunction, etc.) so she uses the dating site to vet potential partners. When she runs across someone that fits the bill, she cuts right to the chase; be here at this time and close escrow. If that sounds shallow or even a little like using people, uh, tough. Women have desires and needs and sometimes all that hearts and flowers stuff is just not what you want; you want to get your ashes hauled, plain and simple. There's nothing shameful about that, either - Miranda makes no illusions to the people she communicates with that she's there for anything more than sex.

This was exactly the same thing I thought once I read her dossier. The medical history was so she could know if they were "clean". I also agree that this totally fits with her personality and isn't out of character at all, because this approach to sex and intimacy is very emotionally distant and handled in a businesslike fashion. Get there, do the deed, go home.

[Kikaimegami]

I thought I'd point out something interesting I noticed about Legion's dossier, specifically his gamer profile. People always mention that the Grim Terminus Alliance joke is pretty racist, but I don't think anyone is looking at the entire story in that. Sure, there's the quarian killing achievement, but did you pay attention to the other achievement at all?



Award: Abolitionist (Complete full playthrough without any slave kills, free all slaves encountered)



The geth were originally created as a manual labor force and when they gained sentience, the quarians feared an uprising (rightfully so since at that point, it was slavery) and so tried to destroy them before that could happen.

[Killjoy Cutter]

@OP -- I think you're reading way, way too much into the Dossiers. Most of them read like throwaway content tossed in "for the lulz".  It strikes me as someone at Bioware belittling or cheapening their own characters for a cheap laugh in most cases, same with many of the videos.

Modifié par Killjoy Cutter, 23 septembre 2010 - 02:29 .

[GodWood]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...
@OP -- I think you're reading way, way too much into the Dossiers. Most of them read like throwaway content tossed in "for the lulz".  It strikes me as someone at Bioware belittling or cheapening their own characters for a cheap laugh in most cases, same with many of the videos.

How at all do they cheapen the characters?
Yes there is humour within them (why shouldn't there be? humour exists) but they ultimately flesh out the characters moreso.

[Mondo47]

Nightwriter wrote...

All she asks for is these guys' medical records. A guy could have a spotless medical record but look like this:

You say that like Vincent Schiaveli wasn't a catch! I'd rather hop in the sack with someone with character than some handsome moron... a lady may as well stay at home with her toybox if that's all that was wanted

Joking aside, those dating services always have some way to show images of the person(s) involved. There's no way on Earth Miri wouldn't be able to look before she leapt, so there would have to be more than clinical information there... otherwise the whole thing only functions as a rather flimsy gag for us to read as opposed to something that adds to the character's development.

[Killjoy Cutter]

yorkj86 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

@OP -- I think you're reading way, way too much into the Dossiers. Most of them read like throwaway content tossed in "for the lulz".  It strikes me as someone at Bioware belittling or cheapening their own characters for a cheap laugh in most cases, same with many of the videos.

The dossiers contain one file, at least, that enhance our understanding of the characters.  The conversation between the doctor, secretly working for Cerberus, and Jack's mother about how the Teltin facility came in to possession of Jack is hardly "throwaway content".

Very little of it rises to that level, however.

[Killjoy Cutter]

Mondo47 wrote...

Joking aside, those dating services always have some way to show images of the person(s) involved. There's no way on Earth Miri wouldn't be able to look before she leapt, so there would have to be more than clinical information there... otherwise the whole thing only functions as a rather flimsy gag for us to read as opposed to something that adds to the character's development.

Bingo. 

EDIT:  It's not like I hate LotSB or something.  It's some of the best ME2 content we've seen.  If I hadn't looked at the dossiers or the videos, I'd have given it a 9 or 9.5 (of 10). 

But with the dossiers and video clips as a whole?  It's a 7 at best. 


EDIT2:  Or maybe a 4 at best, I just noticed the video of Legion on the Reaper Husk.  Given me a damn break, the Shadow Broker just jumped the shark into Villain Sue territory.

Modifié par Killjoy Cutter, 23 septembre 2010 - 10:10 .