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[Jedi Master of Orion]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

Well ok fine. She's not crazy. That makes her even more dangerous. It still means there is no way to predict anything about her except how she wants to kill you.

No, it doesn't mean that either. You're simply trying to list her as crazy without the identifier. She's ammoral, not insane.

She isn't a random actor. Samara calls her such, never implies her as such, and nothing in-game implies it. She has her way of doing things, and she's simply very good at them. She's good at seduction. She's good at acting. She's good at biotics. But she isn't crazy or psycho or prone to unpredictable action and tastes and values. Otherwise Samara's entire coaching would have been pointless.

It is completely and utterly ridiculous to assume that there is no way she can hurt you anymore, as if she'd just give up after attempting to murder you once.

I'm surprised you'd say this, given the nature of most literature and other bioware games.

I'm not surprised at the strawman hyperbole.

Morinth can hurt you. Then again, EDI can onen an airlock and throw you into space. Morinth isn't a violent killer: she doesn't shoot people for giggles, or suffocate them in their sleep, and as shown in Shepard's case she doesn't even want to drug you to weaken your mind. You are a challenge and Morinth wants you in a particular way, and all you have to do is not be that way with her, ie don't sleep with her.

I already admited maybe she wasn't insane. I'm also not talking about what it likley to happen in a Bioware video game. I know that Morinth isn't actually going to kill Shepard but that is meta gaming, and I figured that we weren\\\\\\\\t talking about the issue from that point of view. You have no reason to think EDI will kill you, you have reason to believe that Morthin will beause A) she is addicted to doing so, and she JUST tried to kill you seconds before asking to join you. My point is not that she might randomly shoot people on a space station, but that Shepard has no way of keeping her under control. With Samara he has, the oath. And with Morinth, it's still an enormously dangerous assumption to think that you are safe from her because she failed at seducing you once. Samara did say she loves a challenge. You've already spent the whole mission making her want you. Why would she just give up. She's described as a patient hunter.

Modifié par Jedi Master of Orion, 21 septembre 2010 - 12:42 .

[AntiChri5]

Samara didn't save your life if you resisted Morinth. And you were only in that position in the first place because of Samara. You sought Morinth out, not the other way around, and yet you hold her solely responsible?

Yes, she did. What do you think she is about to do, make crumpets for you? She is a strong enough biotic to break your neck with the twitch of a finger. And you were in that position of your own free will. Morinth is responsible for her own actions. If my brother leaves his dinner in the fridge, knowing i am going to wake up before him and it is my favourite meal, is it his fault that i eat it?

[wizardryforever]

darknoon5 wrote...

Not killing innocents except for hardocre renegade/uber jerk for me...though I would like more LoTSB style decisions-injure others for the greater good. (I felt kind of bad, but damnit you'd have to be idiotic to seriously deposit your heat sinks...tbh you should have just died if you did that)

This is why you do the classic "take a third option" routine, and pick the Paragon or Renegade option to distract/enrage Vasir so Liara can take her out.  If I couldn't make the check for either of them, first I'd kick myself for playing a schizophrenic, indecisive, paragade then I'd probably shoot the hostage.

But on the whole, I'd rather not have to resort to Saren type tactics, thank you very much.

[Xilizhra]

Well if you're not a renegade then I question why you decided to save her at all.

You could think that the justicar code leads to too much collateral damage and is a harmful relic of the past, and vow to keep a tight leash on Morinth, who feels a greater personal attachment to you than Samara does.

[rememberence]

...Morinth can and will kill you.



It doesn't really matter the circumstances. Morinth is the only member of Sheps team (that I'm aware of, I've not played Ren but I'm fairly certain here) who...will kill you on your own ship.



"But only if y..."



She will kill you.



Until you die from it.



Dead.



...Morinth is a threat.

[Xilizhra]

Personally I save Samara, in part because of my initial reaction that I thought Liara would never forgive me if she knew I killed her, and in part because if I was ever separated from Morinth for any reason, she'd just drift off and start killing again.

[Dave of Canada]

Xilizhra wrote...

Morinth, who feels a greater personal attachment to you than Samara does.

Because she wants to **** your brains out, literally?

[Xilizhra]

I did save Morinth once when I wanted to see what would happen. Sadly, there wasn't nearly enough dialogue for her.

[Daewan]

Morinth is a threat that can be easily controlled. She likes killing people. That's Shepard's freaking JOB. No doubt the Illusive Man has a long list of people he'd like disposed of neatly. Morinth can help with that, and help herself at the same time. Working with Cerberus is a buffet for her.

If she really wants Shepard, she has plenty of time. She just has to wait until the Reaper issue is taken care of. Maybe when Shepard starts to slow down physically, or when the biotics start to rip apart Shep's mind, or maybe after Ash/Kaidan dumps Shep for the second time, maybe then Morinth's offer will seem like a good idea. It doesn't really matter. There's no benefit to her to rush the issue (aside from in-game mechanics).

[AntiChri5]

Morinth is a threat that can be easily controlled.

Not nearly as much so as Samara.



All you have to do is find a published copy of her code and you literally have a manual.

[Nightwriter]

But renegade Shep can't read for any length of time. He keeps demanding the text divulge its secrets to him in a condensed and expedient manner, and shoots it when it refuses to comply.

[Kusy]

Daewan wrote...

Morinth is a threat that can be easily controlled. She likes killing people. That's Shepard's freaking JOB. No doubt the Illusive Man has a long list of people he'd like disposed of neatly. Morinth can help with that, and help herself at the same time. Working with Cerberus is a buffet for her.
If she really wants Shepard, she has plenty of time. She just has to wait until the Reaper issue is taken care of. Maybe when Shepard starts to slow down physically, or when the biotics start to rip apart Shep's mind, or maybe after Ash/Kaidan dumps Shep for the second time, maybe then Morinth's offer will seem like a good idea. It doesn't really matter. There's no benefit to her to rush the issue (aside from in-game mechanics).

Morinth is not a professional killer... there is a diffrence between a murderer and a hitman. She picks targets that interest her and she takes pleasure in playing with them. She wouldn't be effective as a tool to eliminate picked targets, and she would rebell sooner or later. She is not easy to controlled in any means, being a powerfull biotic.

Also she's addicted to killing by mating... you don't seem to understand how addiction works (a good thing actualy). Addicts don't plan their fixes and they don't wait for them. Show me a long time junkie who is on hunger and will not fix himself if he has his drug of choice avalivble at hand just because it's not a good time to do it... if it was that simple addictions wouldn't be a problem at all apart from the health point of view. Drunkards would wait till they are away from their family, junkies would wait till they finish their job, sexoholics would wait untill their wifes come back from work instead of screwing the neighbour's wife.

It's not only game mechanics.

Modifié par Mr.Kusy, 21 septembre 2010 - 01:29 .

[GodWood]

I think the whole Morinth thing would make much more sense if you had the option of executing her after the suicide mission.

[MrnDvlDg161]

Then its settled, some people's Shepards simply have a death wish and they'll want him to get in bed with insane Asari that suck people's souls and hug Geth's in the battlefield.



I guess someone will want their next Li to be a female Reaper too.

[pharos_gryphon]

Xilizhra wrote...

Well if you're not a renegade then I question why you decided to save her at all.

You could think that the justicar code leads to too much collateral damage and is a harmful relic of the past, and vow to keep a tight leash on Morinth, who feels a greater personal attachment to you than Samara does.

See, I kept Samara because she was the one that seemed to have more personal attachment to me.  For an example of this, save her instead on a game when you've yet to romance anyone (ME1 romance makes no nevermind).  By comparison, Morinth after being saved is up to her same old tricks, trying to lure you into letting her kill you. 

For that matter, I wasn't so much worried about Shepard my first play through, as I was the rest of the crew.  If it's as an addictive a thing as we're told, sooner or later someone would wind up dead, having shacked up with her thinking it was Samara all the while.

[Rockworm503]

MrnDvlDg161 wrote...

Then its settled, some people's Shepards simply have a death wish and they'll want him to get in bed with insane Asari that suck people's souls and hug Geth's in the battlefield.

I guess someone will want their next Li to be a female Reaper too.

I would actually just for the LULZ

[Inquisitor Recon]

Shandepared wrote...
I'll bet you are also convinced Legion has emotions.

Subjective opinions.

You should know I am anything but a robot sympathizer. That said, you'd be very gullible if you believe Morinth is being sincere in her "love" for you.

[PsyrenY]

Shandepared wrote...

So it is the "What if?" game again, I see. That's all you people can ever do, play "What if?" until the ****ing cows come home.

Given that we're still waiting on your dissertation on Ardat-Yakshi powers, we have to. How's that coming, btw?

[PsyrenY]

Shandepared wrote...

You know I just looked it up and it turns out Jim Jones was an Ardat-Yakshi. In fact I suspect Bioware base Morinth on him at least in part. Boy do I feel like a moron.

Quick, edit his Wikipedia article!