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[Esbatty]

Reika wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

Fantastic game with so many layers.

One thing that I find fasincating is how people react based off all aspects of your character's origin. I found that with exceptions for certain areas that my HNF was the character treated with the most respect. I made similar choices on my other characters, but people still reacted like my CE was the scum of the earth which made things interesting.

Of course the absolute scum of the earth feeling came from playing a female elven mage. Hoo boy that was interesting.

OMG! Murdock is such an ass in fricken Redcliffe village... "You're a woman! And a Grey Warden?! Plus magic too, Pfft..." I hated him so much, I was so glad Morrigan chimed in "more than you know." ASS! Grrrrrrrr... oddly enough its heavily implied (in the DA books, which also came as a surprise) that Alistair's mother is exactly that an Elven, Grey Warden Mage. (My favorite line of hers from 'The Calling' is "What is it with everyone and Elven ****s?!"

[Jacks Smirking Revenge]

MariSkep wrote...

Yankee23 wrote...

In my first game I let Alistair duel Loghain. I had no clue Riordan showed up and you could choose to spare Loghain.

Oh that actually reminds me. When it came time to execute Loghain and Alistair wanted him dead I tried to call his bluff. It's Alistair. I mean, is he really going to kill a man in cold blood?

Yes. Yes he is.

Yeah I called his bluff as well on my first playthrough. Was shocked when he decapitated Loghain right infront of Anora. I was like woah. Then later the whole do or die thing. I was like well good job Alistair you decided to man up at the WORST possible time, so I made him go sleep with Morrigan:devil:.


Though my biggest surprise was on Paragon of Her Kind. I expected Branka to be well you know a Paragon not some nugpoo crazy lunatic. Then again she married Oghren that would drive anyone insane.

Modifié par Jacks Smirking Revenge, 21 septembre 2010 - 07:40 .

[Herr Uhl]

Tigress M wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

Ser Cauthrien and meeting Jowan in Redcliffe.

ooooo!  I haven't seen that one!  If you wouldn't mind, I'd love a PM with details on how to get that to transpire!

Err, they are two different things. Ser Cauthrien hindering you during the break-in at Howe's, and seeing Jowan in the Redcliffe dungeon (played a mage).

[Reika]

Esbatty wrote...

Reika wrote...

Of course the absolute scum of the earth feeling came from playing a female elven mage. Hoo boy that was interesting.

OMG! Murdock is such an ass in fricken Redcliffe village... "You're a woman! And a Grey Warden?! Plus magic too, Pfft..." I hated him so much, I was so glad Morrigan chimed in "more than you know." ASS! Grrrrrrrr... oddly enough its heavily implied (in the DA books, which also came as a surprise) that Alistair's mother is exactly that an Elven, Grey Warden Mage. (My favorite line of hers from 'The Calling' is "What is it with everyone and Elven ****s?!"

Oh, it wasn't just Murdock. You got the same crap from Ser Jory. I know there were others, but they're the ones that stand out the most in my sleep addled brain.

[ejoslin]

Murdock was awful to all women. I love it when Zevran threatens him.

[Zeropium]

The things that stand out for me the most came from my first play-through of the Human Noble story.

Iona getting killed surprised me quite a bit. At first I thought my character was off to a great start having already found romance right at the beginning...then she gets shot with an arrow.

I was also sad to have to leave my parents behind.

Loghain's betrayal at Ostagar actually pissed me off. I wanted to kill him right there.

The deaths of King Cailan and Duncan were also quite surprising. I thought at the very least Duncan would be around longer to continue being a mentor to both Allistar and I.

My most notable surprise was when I opted to go and kill Flemeth, and that damn old lady turns into a freaking dragon. I was expecting her to fight with powerful magic. Boy was I wrong. She kicked my butt the first time I attempted the battle. I was caught totally off guard on that one.

[Zjarcal]

ejoslin wrote...

Murdock was awful to all women. I love it when Zevran threatens him.

Zevran threatens him?!? Damn it, I've never seen that since I always do Redcliffe first and haven't run into Zevran's encounter yet. I'll have to try it out.

[CalJones]

That's interesting. I've only had one run with the dwarf and elf origins - rest of the time I play humans and I don't remember Murdock being bad to the women other than commenting on the fact. And from what Alistair says, there aren't that many female wardens so I don't find it that unreasonable, actually.

[Tigress M]

Zjarcal wrote...
I'm talking about the Dark Ritual and Riordan's revelation that the Warden who kills the Archdemon will perish in the act.

LOL gotcha!  Must have been having a blond moment there to miss your reference.  

Elhanan wrote...
Having a couple dozen guards appear in a random encounter in Denerim accusing my Warden of theft, and no party with me at the time. Made it, but that Pause key sure got a workout....

Hahaha!  Had that happen once... then I learned to save before every pick-pocket attempt just in case I failed. No more mobs chasing after me these days.

ejoslin wrote...
I'm doing a no-persuasion-skill playthrough, even though my cunning is a little too high (I can pass very low persuasion checks) and after more playthroughs than I care to admit, I'm seeing a whole different game.

Cammen rejected my warden, Geyna refused to listen to my warden, Zevran had to talk Athras into talking to me (HUGE surprise).

Biggest surprise for me ever, of course, was the first time I got Zevran's confession of love and the proposal (was NOT expecting that at all -- I'm one of the few people who got that the first time unspoiled I think). 

I bet the no-persuasion run *is* enlightening!  Re:  Zevran, I'm addicted to Alistair but I have romanced Zevran a few times and my shock came when he wouldn't sleep with me after he fell in love. That was nicely done.  

[ejoslin]

CalJones wrote...

That's interesting. I've only had one run with the dwarf and elf origins - rest of the time I play humans and I don't remember Murdock being bad to the women other than commenting on the fact. And from what Alistair says, there aren't that many female wardens so I don't find it that unreasonable, actually.

He comments on it, but is pretty, hmmmm, rude about it.  I looked it up to make sure I wasn't just misremembering -- the line isn't THAT bad (so I did overstate), but he is pretty rude about there being a woman gray warden.

I still like Zevran's comment

[Elhanan]

Tigress M wrote...

Elhanan wrote...
Having a couple dozen guards appear in a random encounter in Denerim accusing my Warden of theft, and no party with me at the time. Made it, but that Pause key sure got a workout....

Hahaha!  Had that happen once... then I learned to save before every pick-pocket attempt just in case I failed. No more mobs chasing after me these days.

heh! But the thing is I never failed a lift; just was a tad too practiced in the area it seems. I blame the guards on the awkward situation made at the Gnawed Noble when I lifted a couple of crowns in broad daylight....*mumbles something about cutscenes occuring during a heist*

[ejoslin]

Tigress M wrote...

I bet the no-persuasion run *is* enlightening!  Re:  Zevran, I'm addicted to Alistair but I have romanced Zevran a few times and my shock came when he wouldn't sleep with me after he fell in love. That was nicely done.  

He gets over it  But yeh, I"m having a lot of fun with this run.  My warden needs to bribe people, gets into more fights -- it's great.  One new thing this game, nothing to do with the persuade checks, but I loved this.  My blood mage sacrificed Isolde, and I didn't do the conversation cheat so she and Alistair had a huge fight.  Then my next dialog I had the option of yelling at him over not talking about his birthright and they broke up over it.  It was great -- I can see a fight like that really happening (you did THIS horrible thing!, "oh yeh, well you did THIS horrible thing!"  Done done done!).  The best part, my warden was able to apologize to him and can now restart the romance.  But she started sleeping with the assassin while still mad, so I doubt I'll restart the romance with Alistair.

Funny stuff, though.

Modifié par ejoslin, 21 septembre 2010 - 06:20 .

[Giggles_Manically]

On my Dalish run where I annulled the tower, and killed Conner, I dont think Alistair and him ever got along after that,



I told him to shove it, and almost never talked to him after that.

[ejoslin]

Hostile Alistair is great, though. "What do you want NOW!" Hahahaha. I remember the first time I got his hate speech -- I had just made him king, and it dropped him to -100 hostile. You get one additional dialog choice in that particular conversation if he's king, and it's SO horrible that... well, I guess that was ANOTHER surprise for me. That he didn't use his new power to have my warden thrown to the darkspawn, in irons! It goes something like this:

Alistair: I guess I'll have to be satisfied with you actually helping to stop the blight, won't I? If that's still your intention. I can't do it on my own.
Warden: So says the king of Ferelden. Sad really.

It's so horrible, it's funny.

The thing is, you don't really have to do all sorts of bad things to make Alistair hate you. It helps, but it isn't necessary. If you talk smack about Duncan, don't suck up after killing Isolde or Connor (and this is NOT a bad thing to do -- killing Connor is what the law says must be done, killing Isolde, while illegal, is merciful, and going to the tower is beyond irresponsible, though that is the only thing that turns out ok) and make him king (unhardened, because you can't harden him if he doesn't like you), it's very possible you'll get 100 hostile, even if you did wonderful things throughout Ferelden.

Modifié par ejoslin, 21 septembre 2010 - 07:04 .

[beggargirl]

ejoslin wrote...

I'm doing a no-persuasion-skill playthrough, even though my cunning is a little too high (I can pass very low persuasion checks) and after more playthroughs than I care to admit, I'm seeing a whole different game.

Cammen rejected my warden, Geyna refused to listen to my warden, Zevran had to talk Athras into talking to me (HUGE surprise).

OH!  I've really been wanting to do a no persuasion game.  I even started a male human noble called Minsc -  but I haven't really gotten into it yet - I'm not one hundred percent sure how to play him yet.  I'm really looking forward to it!

How was it?!  I'm going to be a warrior (even though I thrive on rogues)  So I avoid dumping points into cunning.  Minsc is as dumb and persuasive as a brick!

[ejoslin]

beggargirl wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

I'm doing a no-persuasion-skill playthrough, even though my cunning is a little too high (I can pass very low persuasion checks) and after more playthroughs than I care to admit, I'm seeing a whole different game.

Cammen rejected my warden, Geyna refused to listen to my warden, Zevran had to talk Athras into talking to me (HUGE surprise).

OH!  I've really been wanting to do a no persuasion game.  I even started a male human noble called Minsc -  but I haven't really gotten into it yet - I'm not one hundred percent sure how to play him yet.  I'm really looking forward to it!

How was it?!  I'm going to be a warrior (even though I thrive on rogues)  So I avoid dumping points into cunning.  Minsc is as dumb and persuasive as a brick!

I'm still playing it.  Dwyn charged me a gold to help!  I had to kill Loyd (hahaha -- I had Alistair and Leliana in my party), Zevran intimidated Berwick so he talked.  I still have to do Orzammar and finish the Dalish.  Even Lothering had some different outcomes.  It really is fun.

[beggargirl]

Biggest surprises on my first playthrough were Leske turning on me, Rica disowning me, finding out about Brankas house, Hespith, and the Broodmother (loved this! Creepy!), seeing Leske in the Gauntlet, Riordan telling us a GW has to die, Morrigans offer, and Alistair sacrificing himself after I told him I wasn't going to let him. Since this all happened in order during my last few hours of play, I was an emotional wreck at the credits. Big thumbs up Bioware. I'd give you 100% on that game if it weren't for the fact that one of the reasons Alistair was going to throw himself at the dragon was that he was going to be king; that was a big mood breaking for me.

[mousestalker]

I think the worst surprise was on my very first play through. I romanced Alistair. When we met Goldanna I didn't select the harden option because I don't believe that line and my character didn't believe it either. I make him king, declined Morrigan's offer and like a total idiot I follow Riordan's suggestion to take Alistair with me to kill the Archdemon. I fought that stupid battle over so many times trying to get an option to stop Alistair from killing himself. I was literally screaming at the monitor screen.



Next playthrough I romanced Zevran. That showed the big lug. Stupid templars and their stupid honour.

[Tigress M]

Elhanan wrote...
heh! But the thing is I never failed a lift; just was a tad too practiced in the area it seems. I blame the guards on the awkward situation made at the Gnawed Noble when I lifted a couple of crowns in broad daylight....*mumbles something about cutscenes occuring during a heist*

Hmmmm that's interesting.  I don't go for the pickpocketing much but on the few playthroughs I've done it on I haven't gotten hunted down by the guards (except of course on my first try before I learned reload often lol).  

And speaking of cutscenes.... I've been playing with a mod called Random Age which adds random enemies in various fights (makes fighting a bit less predictable and a lot tougher but it's fun).  Anywho... I've found that if I don't kill the random mobs first in some instances, I will be swept off to a cutscene in the middle of a fight!  That *always* makes me laugh.  

ejoslin wrote...
He gets over it  But yeh, I"m having a lot of fun with this run.  My warden needs to bribe people, gets into more fights -- it's great.  One new thing this game, nothing to do with the persuade checks, but I loved this.  My blood mage sacrificed Isolde, and I didn't do the conversation cheat so she and Alistair had a huge fight.  Then my next dialog I had the option of yelling at him over not talking about his birthright and they broke up over it.  It was great -- I can see a fight like that really happening (you did THIS horrible thing!, "oh yeh, well you did THIS horrible thing!"  Done done done!).  The best part, my warden was able to apologize to him and can now restart the romance.  But she started sleeping with the assassin while still mad, so I doubt I'll restart the romance with Alistair.

Funny stuff, though.

Too funny!  And yes, Zevran does indeed get over his hangup.

ejoslin wrote...
Hostile Alistair is great, though.

I am such a sucker for Alistair that I can't imagine ever playing him as a hostile, but I'm sure it would be *quite* entertaining.  I'm sooooooooooooo bad I cringe all the way through Ostagar when he's still simply neutral towards me and every time I try to give him an order he snaps at me with a "What now?" whine.   What can I say?  I'm a wuss!  

beggargirl wrote...
Biggest surprises on my first playthrough were Leske turning on me...

That was a huge one for me, as well.  I'd started a couple of DC games but had never played through them completely so the first time I did and found out Leske had sold me out to the Carta, I was *pissed*!  So much so, in fact, that on every subsequent playthrough, I *never* let him out of his locked cell.  

mousestalker wrote...
I think the worst surprise was on my very first play through. I romanced Alistair. When we met Goldanna I didn't select the harden option because I don't believe that line and my character didn't believe it either. I make him king, declined Morrigan's offer and like a total idiot I follow Riordan's suggestion to take Alistair with me to kill the Archdemon. I fought that stupid battle over so many times trying to get an option to stop Alistair from killing himself. I was literally screaming at the monitor screen.

Don't beat yourself up over this one... from what I understand, if you haven't done the DR option and you take Alistair with you, he *will* sacrifice himself for you, regardless of his hardening or whether or not he's King.  

[Reika]

Tigress M wrote...

mousestalker wrote...
I think the worst surprise was on my very first play through. I romanced Alistair. When we met Goldanna I didn't select the harden option because I don't believe that line and my character didn't believe it either. I make him king, declined Morrigan's offer and like a total idiot I follow Riordan's suggestion to take Alistair with me to kill the Archdemon. I fought that stupid battle over so many times trying to get an option to stop Alistair from killing himself. I was literally screaming at the monitor screen.

Don't beat yourself up over this one... from what I understand, if you haven't done the DR option and you take Alistair with you, he *will* sacrifice himself for you, regardless of his hardening or whether or not he's King.  

Yup, this. I just did that with my recent US achievement that I did with DahliaLynn's Alistair's Kiss mod where you can do the US ending with Alistair still in your party if you had romanced him.

I'll warn you, it's incredibly heartrending, that option combined with the funeral ending I was sobbing and it takes a lot to make me cry. I think what did me in is when he leaned over my character's body and said in such mournful tones, "We were supposed to live our lives together."

I regretted being an achievement junkie at that point.

[Addai]

My biggest shock was Tamlen's return in the Dalish origin. *weeps*

Modifié par Addai67, 22 septembre 2010 - 12:32 .

[Tigress M]

Reika wrote...
I regretted being an achievement junkie at that point.

I hear you!  My achievement regret was when I went for the "recruit all possible companions".  I'd seen in the forums that Alistair would abandon the GW's and had steeled myself for that.  However, what I was not prepared for and what literally left me crying was the epilogue slide telling me about some drunk claiming to be a GW and a Prince.  That just crushed me.  

[Giggles_Manically]

My single biggest Origin Suprise:
Not getting to Shiani in time, and hearing Vaughan and his friends talking about their plans. Lets just say  the older brother in me came out.

My biggest game suprise:
The Tamlen encounter for sure, just left me shocked.

The biggest ending suprise for me was the DR I just couldnt decide. I literally got up went outside and walked my dog trying to think of what to do.

Modifié par Giggles_Manically, 22 septembre 2010 - 02:50 .

[Zjarcal]

Reika wrote...

I regretted being an achievement junkie at that point.

There are a few achievements that I'll never get because I simply can't bring myself to do what's required for them. Defiling the Urn being the one thing I could never bring myself to do.

I'm also missing the "Warden Commander" achievement for letting Alistair kill the AD. Somehow I just don't want to see that ending and not because I'm an Alistair fangirl (not in the slightest), but because I just feel that that particular ending isn't well developed. Sure, watching Alistair die is touching, but the way it's completely ignored during the post-coronation ceremony and the epilogue is really galling.

Loghain's "Redeemer" ending on the other hand is really well done.