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[wulf3n]

 I have been reading up on the codex entries about the thanix cannons, due to a recent discussion, and somethings don't make sense.

The codex entry about the thanix cannons states "rivaling a cruiser's firepower but mountable on a fighter or frigate" now that's an impressive piece of new technology i admit, and could prove invaluable in a battle against the reapers, but the part that concerns me is "rivaling a cruiser's firepower" which to me means that a standard cruisers firepower is approximately equal.

Now even though i've yet to find any written classification of the Normandy SR-2, the available evidence points to it being a cruiser.

So i ask. Why do we need the thanix cannons?

[Anacronian Stryx]

Normandy SR1 was a Frigate, what SR2 is.. well ask TIM but i guess it's a Frigate as well.

[wulf3n]

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

Normandy SR1 was a Frigate, what SR2 is.. well ask TIM but i guess it's a Frigate as well.

Thats what i initially thought as well, but the SR2 is twice the size of the SR1, and can only land on low gravity planets, which is basically the description of a cruiser.

[Zan51]

It's ME2's BFG for the ship.

[Anacronian Stryx]

wulf3n wrote...

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

Normandy SR1 was a Frigate, what SR2 is.. well ask TIM but i guess it's a Frigate as well.

Thats what i initially thought as well, but the SR2 is twice the size of the SR1, and can only land on low gravity planets, which is basically the description of a cruiser.

I think it's at most a Heavy Frigate - Cruisers are around 500 meters long (going by memory here but i think it's acurate).

In any case the SR2 is nowhere near as powerful as a Cruiser at the beginning at the game(no GARDIAN system, No heavy mass accelerators) so the Thanix are needed to deliver a punch.

[Anacronian Stryx]

Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

Normandy SR1 was a Frigate, what SR2 is.. well ask TIM but i guess it's a Frigate as well.

Normandy SR1 was a Stealth Reconnaissance vessel and not depicted for fights as regular military frigates are. I recon the SR1 being quite a bit smaller than most "normal" frigates.

The SR2 could then be considered a fullfledged military grade frigate, just with the additional stealth systems but certainly not a cruiser.

More interesting is if this Thanix really rivals a cruisers firepower and the Collector Vessel was demolished in two shots, why did we need the Thanix in the first place. the Normandy's main armament should have been enough to take them out for good from a fair distance without practically dancing in front of their cannon. A cruiser taking down the Collector in two shots (say a very powerful cruiser), so a military grade frigate should need about 20 shots or so. Having two main guns as it seems with both of them having an approximate rate of fire of one round every one or two seconds takes about 20-25 seconds. And I don't think the SR2s slugs wouldn't have penetrated their Kinetic Barriers as the Cruiser-Firepower practically achieved full penetration of the entire ship.

/detour actually what happens if you dosen't upgrade the guns?

[wulf3n]

Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...

Normandy SR1 was a Stealth Reconnaissance vessel and not depicted for fights as regular military frigates are. I recon the SR1 being quite a bit smaller than most "normal" frigates.

The SR2 could then be considered a fullfledged military grade frigate, just with the additional stealth systems but certainly not a cruiser.

Even a military grade frigate can enter a planets atmosphere, the Normandy SR2 cannot.

Anacronian Stryx wrote...
/detour actually what happens if you dosen't upgrade the guns?

someone dies.
http://social.biowar...5/index/2933016

Modifié par wulf3n, 21 septembre 2010 - 12:29 .

[primero holodon]

the normandy is a frigate. Thanix cannons are found on cruisers. Cruiser weapons > frigate weapons

[wizardryforever]

wulf3n wrote...

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

Normandy SR1 was a Frigate, what SR2 is.. well ask TIM but i guess it's a Frigate as well.

Thats what i initially thought as well, but the SR2 is twice the size of the SR1, and can only land on low gravity planets, which is basically the description of a cruiser.

It's basically a frigate/cruiser hybrid, with the size and armor of a cruiser but the maneuverability of a frigate.  Presumably the weapons are frigate grade as well, hence the need for Thanix cannon.

[primero holodon]

wulf3n wrote...

Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...

Normandy SR1 was a Stealth Reconnaissance vessel and not depicted for fights as regular military frigates are. I recon the SR1 being quite a bit smaller than most "normal" frigates.

The SR2 could then be considered a fullfledged military grade frigate, just with the additional stealth systems but certainly not a cruiser.

Even a military grade frigate can enter a planets atmosphere, the Normandy SR2 cannot.

the SR2 can enter the atmosphere, and does so several times in the game, it's just that it is simpler to send a shuttle in because larger ships are difficult to manuver in atmospheric flight.

[Anacronian Stryx]

wulf3n wrote...

Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...

Normandy SR1 was a Stealth Reconnaissance vessel and not depicted for fights as regular military frigates are. I recon the SR1 being quite a bit smaller than most "normal" frigates.

The SR2 could then be considered a fullfledged military grade frigate, just with the additional stealth systems but certainly not a cruiser.

Even a military grade frigate can enter a planets atmosphere, the Normandy SR2 cannot.

EDI only says it's harder for the SR2 to enter a atmosphere, Not that it's impossible, In fact we see the SR2 enter atmospheres all over the game.

[wulf3n]

primero holodon wrote...
the SR2 can enter the atmosphere, and does so several times in the game, it's just that it is simpler to send a shuttle in because larger ships are difficult to manuver in atmospheric flight.

The only situation i remember is illium.

Though it seems to me, if the SR2 is a hybrid frigate/cruiser, then it fails in both aspects, as its not as useful as either one.

Modifié par wulf3n, 21 septembre 2010 - 12:38 .

[Stephen226]

during all of the hammerhead firewalker missions the normandy MUST drop down, look at how high the HH can :"jump" like 20 ft?

and the THANNIX is badass!!!!

Modifié par Stephen226, 21 septembre 2010 - 12:43 .

[rememberence]

In another ship someone said that the Upgraded Normandy SR2 qualified as a Destroyer. (Don't know the truth.)



However...to use EVE terminology, Normandy SR2 is a Frigate. SR2 post upgrades is an assault frigate.

[MrnDvlDg161]

Easy, don't put the Thanix cannons on the SR2 and you will indeed find out why you most likely needed them.

[GnusmasTHX]

End of ME1 = Cruisers.



Look at SR1.



x2.



SR2 != cruiser.

[MrnDvlDg161]

While we're at it...



Whats with the lack of anti-personnel weaponry any way? I would have thought it would have been mega-cool if the SR2 door opened and out came Joker with a high capacity, laser Gatling gun that was placed as a door gun for the SR2 --- and started to make a blood n' guts party of the collectors while Shepard and company made their exit. That would have been bad a---.

[prizm123]

the SR2 is a frigate and the Thanix is still experimental technology. it doesnt have the firepower of a cruiser, and the only reason it really was able to take out the collector ship really was that it was firing the Thanix cannons straight down its throat while its weapons were charging up causing a sort of overload. if the SR2 were firing say onto the collector ships sides, it would have been a more prolonged battle

[Nightwriter]

Bah. My question is why it doesn't say "rivals the firepower of a dreadnought".

If they're going to give us a Reaper weapon it should be awesomely powerful. I mean it dealt huge damage to the Collector ship, which was pretty formidable. I want the POWAH.

[Arijharn]

Aren't the differences between the ship types not just based off their description but gross tonnage as well?

[Dave of Canada]

Collector Cruiser.

[FuturePasTimeCE]

cruisers = 1, 000 crew members...



sr2 = only 30