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[CroGamer002]

Also they don't use all abducted humans to create embryo of Human Reaper.

EDI said they use 10s of thousand humans while they abducted 100s of thousand humans.

[Anacronian Stryx]

Well i guess it really depends on the "harvest" - we still don't know the reasons as why they could make a Reaper out of humans and not make one of the Protheons but whatever that reason is would also determine how many races they could use each cycle, Also we should note that the council races are no were near to have explored all the space of the Milky Way Galaxy - the Protheons are stated to have been a Galaxy Wide civilization and perhaps this is the norm when the Reapers usually invade.

[Ahriman]

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

Well i guess it really depends on the "harvest" 

This. If they do it for saving (as they understand this) of races, they probably make 1-3 Reapers of main races.
If they do it just to restore their number, there may be hundreds of cycles without a single Reaper.

[Tazzmission]

Nightwriter wrote...

You mean in an average cycle?

Figure they can only make two Reapers - at most - out of a single given species.

So I'd say it depends on how many worthy species there are in a certain cycle. Which leads me to the question, why was there only one spacefaring species during the last cycle, but 50,000 years later, there are a ton of spacefaring species?

can we even classify reapers as a species? they are ships dont forget

[JPXD]

Tazzmission wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

You mean in an average cycle?

Figure they can only make two Reapers - at most - out of a single given species.

So I'd say it depends on how many worthy species there are in a certain cycle. Which leads me to the question, why was there only one spacefaring species during the last cycle, but 50,000 years later, there are a ton of spacefaring species?

can we even classify reapers as a species? they are ships dont forget

Reapers are easily defined as a species.

From what knowledge we have of them they are both sapient and sentient.

[Johnny B. Morbid]

PWENER wrote...

end of Masseffect2 you see the human reaper.(SW) in the above image you get the impression that all those reapers are of the same species genesis, (or bioware's lazy)

[Tazzmission]

Johnny B. Morbid wrote...

PWENER wrote...

end of Masseffect2 you see the human reaper.(SW) in the above image you get the impression that all those reapers are of the same species genesis, (or bioware's lazy)

its the first one right? i can see some sort of face. maybe its harbingers official reaper?

Modifié par Tazzmission, 21 septembre 2010 - 03:49 .

[evengill]

Regarding the Reapers, and the picture in the post above:). The human reaper was an embryo, it wasn't a fully developed Reaper. So it might very well have developed into something like he Reapers above if it had been completed. As it was just a "few" tens of thousands of humans had gone into it.
I think a lot of Reapers get created each cycle. Why? Well just looking at the picture of the Reapers activating at the end of the ME2 shows that.  You do realize that they are in "Dark Space"? That is, empty space between the galaxies, so therefore what you see in the background here isn't actually stars, it is Reapers, so there are actually a huge number of them...
Of course we don't know if they can "die of old age" or if they live for ever after being created, and some species might be able to kill a few of them before getting overwhelmed.
I would assume that there is a need for millions of beings to create one, but a galaxy could potentially have trillions, one planet (earth) have billions after all. So I wouldn't be suprised if hundreds of Reapers could be created during a "regular" cycle... unless they just make one pr. species of course;)... But given the number of cycles they appear to have been around that would still create an enormous number of Reapers. Good thing that they probably have quite a loooong way to go now that the Citadel-portal is closed to them:)

Modifié par evengill, 21 septembre 2010 - 07:40 .

[Zaisha_temp]

I'd say it depends on their motivation for reaperfying species.



If it's purely for reproduction of the "Reaper species", as many as possible, based on the population size of the viable species.



If it's "doing the species a favour by ascending them to Reaper perfection" or "enriching the Reaper species by adding the essence of a worthy species" probably just one per "worthy" species. (part of the point of Reaperfication being to turn a mob of imperfect individuals into a perfect single entity.)

[Brawne]

What bugs me is 50k years time period between harvests. Do you honestly believe that when you wipe all sapient life off the galaxy that new technologically advanced species capable of spaceflight would evolve from lesser species in only 50k years???

It took humans at least 200-250k years to evolve from apes and we are nowhere near interstellar travel.

Also how would there be resources left to develop yet another and another industrial society in the worlds linked with mass relays? Wouldnt those worlds be depleted of natural resources many times over already?

[Dean_the_Young]

There isn't a set number. None were made of the Protheans, who were the sole dominant species of the galaxy in their cycle. Of the current cycle, only humans have been deemed worthy. On another cycle, many could have deemed worthy. We don't even know if they only make one per species (though I would presume so).

[Dean_the_Young]

Brawne wrote...

What bugs me is 50k years time period between harvests. Do you honestly believe that when you wipe all sapient life off the galaxy that new technologically advanced species capable of spaceflight would evolve from lesser species in only 50k years???

It took humans at least 200-250k years to evolve from apes and we are nowhere near interstellar travel.
Also how would there be resources left to develop yet another and another industrial society in the worlds linked with mass relays? Wouldnt those worlds be depleted of natural resources many times over already?

Given that they don't kill off all life, only life capable of detecting them or intelligent life that they come across in-conquest, there are always species somewhere evolving.

For resources, it can be rather simple: according to codex, 99% of the galaxy or so remains unexplored. Space is really, really big, and the Council has that whole 'don't open relays' policy. There's a lot to go around, and most of it is never seen before the Reapers kill.

And nothing prevents them from shifting around the Mass Relay network either: 'oh, this system is too harvested, needs to recover? Let's move the in-system relay a few solar systems over...'

[Narosian]

Since they failed to make a prothean reaper, im gonna guess and say there aren't always species compatible.  I think at most theres one every few hundred thousand years.  Since they used the citadel to catch species by surprise im guessing.  Soveriegn is probably the first ship they've lost in hundreds of thousands or millions of years, so there probably isnt much of a need to make new reapers.

[Anacronian Stryx]

Johnny B. Morbid wrote...

PWENER wrote...

end of Masseffect2 you see the human reaper.(SW) in the above image you get the impression that all those reapers are of the same species genesis, (or bioware's lazy)

Or perhaps only the core is different but the shell follows (somewhat) the same squid shape, Perhaps a testiment to the first Reaper race, Who knows?

[Anacronian Stryx]

Brawne wrote...

What bugs me is 50k years time period between harvests. Do you honestly believe that when you wipe all sapient life off the galaxy that new technologically advanced species capable of spaceflight would evolve from lesser species in only 50k years???

It took humans at least 200-250k years to evolve from apes and we are nowhere near interstellar travel.
Also how would there be resources left to develop yet another and another industrial society in the worlds linked with mass relays? Wouldnt those worlds be depleted of natural resources many times over already?

Well they don't, They only harvest advanced civilizations capable of spaceflight, They seem to leave lesser evolved races(at that stage) untouched Like humans and Hanarr.

[Anacronian Stryx]

Narosian wrote...

Since they failed to make a prothean reaper, im gonna guess and say there aren't always species compatible.  I think at most theres one every few hundred thousand years.  Since they used the citadel to catch species by surprise im guessing.  Soveriegn is probably the first ship they've lost in hundreds of thousands or millions of years, so there probably isnt much of a need to make new reapers.

Since the Protheons is described as a true galaxy wide civilisation they must really have been the worst Harvest ever..it would be like coming to a fancy dinner and see all that is served is turnips.

[Stephen226]

doesn't it say that "50,000 years ago the protheans vanished", it is rather unclear, how long between the cycles, it could have taken the protheans 500,000 years to advance into a galaxy wide species, its how you interpret the words

[Anacronian Stryx]

Stephen226 wrote...

doesn't it say that "50,000 years ago the protheans vanished", it is rather unclear, how long between the cycles, it could have taken the protheans 500,000 years to advance into a galaxy wide species, its how you interpret the words

Only if you completely disregard all the other evidence on the fact that the extinction happens every 50.000 like Liara's findings and such..

[Zulu_DFA]

Making new Reapers can't really be a standard procedure, if they are so eternal as Sovereign suggeted. Or else there would have been too many of them for one galaxy many cycles ago.



One version about the Human-Reaper is that it was meant to replace the loss of Sovereign.



The other is that the Humans are indeed that cool to deserve reaperifying, while the Protheans were simply repurposed for the one next cycle, just as 99% of those species that had been harvested before them.

[AdamNW]

Tazzmission wrote...

Johnny B. Morbid wrote...

PWENER wrote...

end of Masseffect2 you see the human reaper.(SW) in the above image you get the impression that all those reapers are of the same species genesis, (or bioware's lazy)

its the first one right? i can see some sort of face. maybe its harbingers official reaper?

Doesn't it say in the Codex that the outer shell is just armor?

[Anacronian Stryx]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Making new Reapers can't really be a standard procedure, if they are so eternal as Sovereign suggeted. Or else there would have been too many of them for one galaxy many cycles ago.

In the fourth or fifth conversation with Legion he explains that the Reapers promised the Heretics a Reaper body for their aid, I wonder if the human Reaper was supposed to be the one promised.

[Zulu_DFA]

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Making new Reapers can't really be a standard procedure, if they are so eternal as Sovereign suggeted. Or else there would have been too many of them for one galaxy many cycles ago.

In the fourth or fifth conversation with Legion he explains that the Reapers promised the Heretics a Reaper body for their aid, I wonder if the human Reaper was supposed to be the one promised.

Both Sovereign and Harbinger were disdainful about the Geth. Most likely the Geth would be disposed of, along with the organics.

[Anacronian Stryx]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Making new Reapers can't really be a standard procedure, if they are so eternal as Sovereign suggeted. Or else there would have been too many of them for one galaxy many cycles ago.

In the fourth or fifth conversation with Legion he explains that the Reapers promised the Heretics a Reaper body for their aid, I wonder if the human Reaper was supposed to be the one promised.

Both Sovereign and Harbinger were disdainful about the Geth. Most likely the Geth would be disposed of, along with the organics.

Probably true but in the here and now the Heretics served a function and in a Reaper body they might wreak even more chaos.. the Reapers could then just dispose of the Heretics when they have done what is needed.

[bottledwater]

consolidation of your forces into a single entity is generally a poor strategy when your aim is to be in many places at once.



it was most likely a lie, the geth would be wiped out.

[Anacronian Stryx]

Well it would be an explanation as to why they were building a Reaper IF building reapers is not the usual procedure during a harvest.