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Mass Relays: How are they different then FTL?


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Bebbe777 wrote...

Hmm yes. Warp 9 sounds better relative to its speed. In Revelation I think it is mentioned that it could take anything from hours to days to reach another system within a cluster.

Revelation said something about a ship traveling at an average distance of 12 light years per day. I'm sure the Normandy is much faster than that, however.

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haha i wish there where but they are not. did you ever wtach stargate will the mass relays works like the stargates. it create some kind of link between the other relays. in stargate two gate a need to bridge the grap between space which is faster then FLT.

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wizardryforever wrote...

OneDrunkMonk wrote...

I suppose this is one of those subjects where people end up talking about folding space, wormholes, time travel, paradoxes and on...Or you could liken it to a fridge, you may not know how exactly it keeps things cool but that doesn't stop you from keeping your beer cold by using one.


Yeah, probably.  Though the OP wouldn't have started the topic if they didn't want to know.  For the record, I do know how a refrigerator works (basically). :wizard:


I was about to say the same thing.

(For anyone interested -- drop the pressure of a fluid {gas or liquid}, it cools.  Raise the pressure, it heats up.  Refrigerators, air conditioners, heat pumps, etc, use pumps and different tube diameters to artificially raise and lower the pressure of a gas to get the cool side where you want to move heat from and the hot side where you want to move heat to.)

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along this topic, is this; which if you can find the guy's paper on his theory for ftl speeds, is pretty cool:

http://en.wikipedia....lcubierre_drive



The manipulation of space/time....cool stuff. I wish I could live long enough to see someone figure it out for realz.

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I think it would have to be extra-dimensional travel. Like in 3D we can fold a piece of paper in half connecting two points instantly so in 4D we have the "folding" of 3D space...Oooh my brain hurts. So travel outside the space-time continuum.

This brings up another point I was curious about back in ME1. As Shepard you can do a lot of hopping around the universe, doing side missions or whatever, meanwhile Saren is off trying to lay down the welcome mat for the Reapers. The game does give you a sense of urgency in finding and dealing with Saren but events play out chronologically whether or not you spent a day, week or month trying to actually get to him. So in a sense time kinda stands still long enough for you to catch up to Saren and stop him. The encounter on Ilos happened when Shepard finally got around to getting there, thus events happen on "Shepard time" not on any other clock, which is rather unrealistic.

Perhap sin ME3 we can have time windows. So if you go to a locale events are about to, in the midst of, or have already ended.

Modifié par OneDrunkMonk, 23 septembre 2010 - 03:52 .


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Instead of lowering a ships mass via mass effect field, warp drives instead bend the space-time of our own universe around the ship. This creates a region of subjective space-time that is out of synch with the rest of the universe. Einstein's Theory of Relativity clearly demonstrates that no physical object can travel faster than light. However, how fast spacetime itself can move in relation to itself is unknown, and can theoretically be moved at any speed. Because it is "detached" from normal space, a region of warped spacetime--including any ship within it--can be moved faster than light.



In front of the ship, the fabric of space is compressed, contracting the distance between the ship and its destination. In back of the ship, the fabric of space is expanded, increasing the distance between the ship and its point of departure. These distortions move along with the ship, creating a "wave", as some have described it, of distorted spacetime that the ship rides to its target. Because it is space/time itself which is moving and not any physical object within the "wave", this motion does not violate Relativity, even though to an observer outside it would very much appear that the ship was moving at FTL speeds.

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Burningwolf wrote...

Umm think of it this way.they open a rift from one point to another.You go beyond ftl speeds to the point where your going from galaxy to galaxy in mere moments.


"Galaxy to galaxy in mere moments" is an overstatement.  I don't think any of the known mass relays are capable of jumping to other galaxies.  The distance between galaxies is vaaaaaaaaaaaast.  That's not to say there isn't a mass relay that jumps to Andromeda or some other galaxy, but it hasn't been found yet.

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Considering that the Reapers are out in the middle of dark space and they were going to be able to jump to the Citadel does hint that intergalactic travel could be possible. If there was a mass relay from the Milky Way to say Andromeda, I don't see any reason that would be much different from the Reapers coming from dark space.

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bchesson wrote...

Considering that the Reapers are out in the middle of dark space and they were going to be able to jump to the Citadel does hint that intergalactic travel could be possible. If there was a mass relay from the Milky Way to say Andromeda, I don't see any reason that would be much different from the Reapers coming from dark space.


I didn't say it wasn't possible.  I just said no known mass relay is capable of jumping to other galaxies.  Also, its likely the Reapers are located a relatively short distance outside the Milky Way compared to the really REALLY large distances between galaxies.

If there is an intergalactic relay located in the Milky Way, it's probably even bigger and more complex than the Citadel.

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There might be even bigger mass relay than Omega 4 somewhere, which could lead to other galaxies. We have those small ones in the Milky Way. Reapers might use something like it, but since they are machines, time doesn't matter for them so, in fact, they might just fly all the way. 10.000 years in one direction, 30.000 of waiting and then 10.000 of flying back:P

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Well, there's your plot for the next ME trilogy. Some powerful, warlike race in another galaxy discovers a mass relay left behind by the reapers and uses it to invade the Milky Way.