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[Aggie Punbot]

Ultimately, every decision is up to each individual. If someone wants to spare the rachni and kill the geth, they can. If they want to leave the council (and 10,000 other life forms) to die but cannot stomach having 4 people die on Asteroid 57 to potentially save other lives, that is their choice. If they want to make every single paragon decision ever in existence but then be utterly and completely cruel to Jack, that is their choice.

Trying to force your own morality onto how other people choose to play their games is futile and leads only to the dark side petty bickering so let's just all agree to disagree, shall we?

[tonnactus]

Xilizhra wrote...

The topic tends to come up vaguely in the plures thema about Paragon/Renegade choices, but it's never had quite as much discussion as I'd like, so here goes.

I don't think her begging for mercy was an act, precisely. She said that she joined in part to shoot up bad guys; the volus who sold her and her compatriots a lethally toxic drug without informing them of its  toxicity may well have counted as that. Morally, it's no different from  the Renegade choice of forcing the batarian bartender who poisoned you to drink his own medicine, and not a whole lot worse than the Paragon one of goading the nearby turian into shooting him.

Completly right.
The volus got what he deserved.I always let her live,but give the evidence to the detective.

[Moiaussi]

Xilizhra wrote...

Unfortunately, that is the case. However, given the choice between freedom and murder (a stupid choice, honestly), freedom is easier to undo.

The problem is that this isn't 20th century earth. There doesn't seem to be any sort of restraining options that are not easily hacked or bypassed in some way. She is an armed combatant. She happens to be caught off guard, but never does disarm herself. Even if it is true that she can't kill you in one shot (which I do not consider a given), isn't that true of every merc you meet?

[tonnactus]

Moiaussi wrote...
She happens to be caught off guard, but never does disarm herself. Even if it is true that she can't kill you in one shot (which I do not consider a given)

Its a given because shepardt and his team has kinetic barriers.Remember bringing down the sky or ferros where shepardt or one of his teammembers were shot in fear.Elnora had only a pistol anyway.

Modifié par tonnactus, 23 septembre 2010 - 12:31 .

[Slayer299]

tonnactus wrote...
Its a given because shepardt and his team has kinetic barriers.Remember bringing down the sky or ferros where shepardt or one of his teammembers were shot in fear.Elnora had only a pistol anyway.

Elmora had a Tempest SMG actually, she grabs it from the small of her back (where I thought you carried your shotgun...)

But to the topic at hand. The first time I played ME2 when I ran into Elnora, I was willing to accept her surrendering to my mostly Paragon Shep, right up until she went for her gun, then my Shep shot her dead. If Elnora wanted to surrender and live she should have just walked away, that act of going for her SMG was just the epitome of stupidity when facing 3 heavily armed people who you saw tear through you teammates. 
As for executing her, no, she wasn't. Elnora went down with her gun in hand and after pulling the trigger. That's hardly being executed by being shot unarmed.

Modifié par Slayer299, 23 septembre 2010 - 12:49 .

[Moiaussi]

tonnactus wrote...

Its a given because shepardt and his team has kinetic barriers.Remember bringing down the sky or ferros where shepardt or one of his teammembers were shot in fear.Elnora had only a pistol anyway.

Kinetic barriers which aren't always sufficient in other cut scenes. And we only know hat Elnora seems to be carrying. We don't know that it is stock. More importantly, since she doesn't disarm, there is no reason to believe she might not pull something when her tactical disadvantage is gone.

[crimzontearz]

To the OP:

I keep seeing you say "your shepard" yet something did strike me as peculiar. You said "I try to play as myself" and that is total bull if you ask me. Yes you can apply your moral values to Shepard but playing "as yourself" as you put it is ridiculous.



You are not a marine, you did not go to boot camp, you did not have drill instructors chew you up for the mistakes you made and for how they will endanger others......you are not a special forces operative....Shepard IS. To that is something everyone should keep into consideration when roleplaying shepard. Does that mean everyone should execute Elnora becausethat is what a soldier would do? No because some soldiers, especially inexperienced ones, would let her go. Is it a smartmove? NO. To the point, two years ago a soldier from the us lead his unit to take down an enemy outpost in the middle east. Inside he found some unarmed people who surrendered saying they were just janitors and such. Detaining them was not an option so the soldier let them go. Those people returned with a large reinforcement contingent and massacred EVERYONE. It was big news here in new england. A smart soldier would NOT let Elnora go. We are not given the choice to detain her but that is beside the point. And enough with the Shepard is an invincible superhero, he/she is not and you know it. Shepard can die like anyone else....most importantly so can his team mates. Shepard may not care elnora couldcome back for him but he should care about what could happen to his team. Are you going to risk anyone's life on your team to let Elnora go? Sure you KNOW she is not gonna return with reinforcements....but does Shepard? Is that not metaganing?



Sorry for the typing, I'm logged in from my smartphone

[inversevideo]

Xilizhra wrote...

You assume it when you give her the death threat instead of just shooting her.

Matter of interpretation. You see a 'death threat', I did not interpret that scene the same way.
I did watch it again, on YouTube, and it is hard for me to see how it could be interpreted that way.



!) Shepard walks into the room.
2) Shepard looks around starts to leave.
3) Shepard is alerted to movement and spins around.
4) Elnora says 'wait' and Shepard lowers her weapon. Please note that.  
5) As Shepard is listening to Elnora say how she never fired her weapon once, Elnora suddenly pulls her weapon.
6) Shepard, noting the pulled SMG (can choose to take the interrupt) and says 'you made your choice Elnora', to which Elnora replies 'Screw you beyotch' and opens fire.
7) Shepard ends Elnora.

Shepard only says, 'You made your choice Elnora' after noting that El pulls a weapon.
i.e. The 'choice' is that El pulled a weapon, and chose to fight, instead of remaining non-combatant.

Modifié par inversevideo, 23 septembre 2010 - 01:34 .

[Whatever42]

Moiaussi wrote...

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

Was she part of the mission? She was hiding behind a desk whimpering in a room. Was she pinning Shepard down? Heck, Shepard's mission was to get information from the eclipse, not kill them all. He's just really lucky the information was on a datapad. I can imagine the conversation otherwise: 

"Did you get the information from Eclipse?"
"Um... no, sorry, I killed them all."
"There was no opportunity to question any?"
"Oh sure, one was alone and scared and looked like she wanted to surrender but she was pointing a gun at me and if she would have emptied two or three clips into my shields she might have hurt me so I had to kill her."

You are forgetting that there are two aspects to the mission.

"So this 'scared little girl,' did you actually ask her about the ship?"
"No... come to think of it, I didn't."
"Did you detain her for later questioning, then?"
"No, I let her go. She seemed cute and she didn't shoot me when I had her at an advantage...."
"Lovely... By the way, did you solve the murder?"
"As a matter of fact I did! It turned out to be that nice little girl"
"The one you neither shot nor otherwise detained, and indeed allowed to go completely free?"
"Yes, that's the one... did I mention she seemed nice and was nice enough not to try to shoot me when I had her captured?"

1) Shepard had no idea she murdered the volus at the time.
2) Murder is irrelevent. I have  serial killers and mass murderers on my crew. My mission was to obtain information.
3) I had no way of detaining her or desire to do so. I am not a police officer. I do not even know if she is guilty of a crime except she belongs to a legal organization which is suspected of being criminal. Heck, the recording would not have been enough to arrest her.
4) And we did ask her about what she knows - she didn't know.
5) It seems people are looking for any reason, paragon or renegade, to kill her because they are upset that she played them. The problem is there is no real reason so they struggle to create one. Just accept that you're metagaming.

Heck, if we were there to recruit her, the fact that she killed the volus wouldn't make us blink. Nor would her pointing a weapon at us - other people have without Shepard making a pithy one liner and shooting them in the face. We're upset because she played us.

Modifié par Whatever666343431431654324, 23 septembre 2010 - 01:35 .

[nelly21]

Wow. I knew these forums were bad but wow.



We're arguing about this? Really?

[inversevideo]

Optimystic_X wrote...

inversevideo wrote...
Which is why I think you don't wait to see what she is going to do.
When she pulls the gun, after pleading with you, it seems like she was trying to catch you off guard; else why pull the gun?  I have no problem taking the Renegade action of putting my safety and that of my squad first.  I don't see the logic in assuming she won't fire, won't end up hurting one of us, or that my shields can take it, so 'man up'.

So you killed Wrex then? And knocked out Telon?

My very first ME1 play through Ashley shot Wrex, as my Shepard did not have enough invested in conversation to prevent that. Ironically, that Shepard was 100% Paragon, and on subsequent games, I made sure to talk to Wrex and purchase enough skill points so Ash did not have to kill him.

Yes I did knock out Telon.  
Again, for me, what is necessary is different than what you deem necessary.
Telon, is untrained, waving a gun, and could harm someone, either my squad, or his own co-workers.
It made sense to me to disarm him quick. Note that the interrupt is to disarm, not 'kill'.
And I did have faith that particular interrupt would not kill Telon.

I also hit and stunned Koliyat, knocking the pistol from his hand.
That was a Paragon interrupt.
And while I was happy to prevent Koliyat from harming someone, I was a bit surprised that the Paragon interrupt had Shepard fire at the lamp, as a distraction.  Given that the room was full of armed  C-SEC 
officers, firing a weapon seems the surest way to have the whole situation go sideways, with everyone opening fire.  But, I took the interrupt as I had faith that it would prevent Koliyat from killing Taleed or anyone else.

In both scenarios the goal was to take control of the weapon, take control of the situation, diffuse the situation. 

[Slayer299]

@Whatever666343431431654324
Is it that *you're* upset she played you? Because otherwise you're projecting what you believe onto everyone else.
My femShep killed Elnora the first time I met her. I had no info beforehand about what she'd done when El pulled the gun. Elnora pulling the gun after trying to surrender was the reason why most of my Sheps have shot her, not that we'd been *played*. Actually I did let her go once though.

Modifié par Slayer299, 23 septembre 2010 - 01:48 .

[Whatever42]

Slayer299 wrote...

Is it that *you're* upset she played you? Because otherwise you're projecting what you believe onto everyone else.
My femShep killed Elnora the first time I met her. I had no info beforehand about what she'd done when El pulled the gun. Elnora pulling the gun after trying to surrender was the reason why most of my Sheps have shot her, not that we'd been *played*. Actually I did let her go once though.

Actually, I find it funny that she played me. I've never killed her. Its simply that there are a few people who are trying to find a good (as in alignment) justification for killing her, by pretending Shepard is a police officer on a raid.

And her pulling the gun was a not very nice impulse definitely. She didn't pull the trigger, though and Shepard had time for a nasty one liner so obviously didn't feel threatened. I just want people to drop the self-defense argument. The renegade "I shoot anyone stupid enough to pull a gun on me" argument is fine.

Personally, as I repeated a few times now, my renegade thinks she was cute in a puppy trying to gnaw at your ankle through thick workboots way, and is there for information. Shooting her instead of questioning her is simply Shepard being a thug, instead of actually trying to complete the mission. But renegade Shepard can be a thug so all good.

Modifié par Whatever666343431431654324, 23 septembre 2010 - 01:55 .

[PsyrenY]

JJ Long wrote...

Optimystic_X wrote...

So you killed Wrex then? And knocked out Telon?

Different situations.  To even compare them is ridiculous.

I'm pretty sure they both pulled guns on you.

*checks youtube*

Yep.

[AntiChri5]

Optimystic_X wrote...

JJ Long wrote...

Optimystic_X wrote...

So you killed Wrex then? And knocked out Telon?

Different situations.  To even compare them is ridiculous.

I'm pretty sure they both pulled guns on you.

*checks youtube*

Yep.

To suggest they are the same is absurd.

Wrex is a close friend, we have reason to believe we can talk him down and we have a trained sniper covering us.

Telon is not trained, not wearing armour, not an enemy combatant and obviously having a panic attack.

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

Slayer299 wrote...

Is it that *you're* upset she played you? Because otherwise you're projecting what you believe onto everyone else. 
My femShep killed Elnora the first time I met her. I had no info beforehand about what she'd done when El pulled the gun. Elnora pulling the gun after trying to surrender was the reason why most of my Sheps have shot her, not that we'd been *played*. Actually I did let her go once though.

Actually, I find it funny that she played me. I've never killed her. Its simply that there are a few people who are trying to find a good (as in alignment) justification for killing her, by pretending Shepard is a police officer on a raid.

And her pulling the gun was a not very nice impulse definitely. She didn't pull the trigger, though and Shepard had time for a nasty one liner so obviously didn't feel threatened. I just want people to drop the self-defense argument. The renegade "I shoot anyone stupid enough to pull a gun on me" argument is fine.

Personally, as I repeated a few times now, my renegade thinks she was cute in a puppy trying to gnaw at your ankle through thick workboots way, and is there for information. Shooting her instead of questioning her is simply Shepard being a thug, instead of actually trying to complete the mission. But renegade Shepard can be a thug so all good.

I refuse to follow alignments, and feel perfectly justified in killing her.

Set aside roleplaying and look at what we know:

1) She has killed a helpless opponent before.

2) She has access to explosive rounds which no-one who attacks us uses.

3) She is trained in both weapons and biotics.

4) She is pointing a gun at you.

All of this proves that it is very possible for her to be a lethal threat. With that established, let us roleplay.

Commander Shepard is not invincible, he/she is not a god, he/she could die.

There are hundreds of thousands (millions, billions or even trillions) of lives counting on Shepard. His/her death means the failure of this mission and an end to any organised resistance against the reapers. Shepard is going to risk all that one one punks word? Shepard does not know that he cant die because it is a game, or that he/she can reload and has to treat all enemies as potentially deadly threats.

Modifié par AntiChri5, 23 septembre 2010 - 02:06 .

[PsyrenY]

AntiChri5 wrote...
Wrex is a close friend, we have reason to believe we can talk him down and we have a trained sniper covering us.

1) Believing you can talk him down is metagaming. Your character has no way of knowing that he'll listen to reason (given that he can't see the color of the dialogue options and all), only that he might.

2) You have two trained squadmates  (they can be snipers if you wish) covering Elnora.

AntiChri5 wrote...
Telon is not trained, not wearing armour, not an enemy combatant and obviously having a panic attack.

Elnora isn't a combatant either, not unless you pull YOUR gun on her and make a snarky comment. And Shepard has no reason to see her as one.

[AntiChri5]

Optimystic_X wrote...

AntiChri5 wrote...
Wrex is a close friend, we have reason to believe we can talk him down and we have a trained sniper covering us.

1) Believing you can talk him down is metagaming. Your character has no way of knowing that he'll listen to reason (given that he can't see the color of the dialogue options and all), only that he might.

No, it isnt. My reason for believing i can talk him down are that he is a loyal soldier and close friend.

Optimystic_X wrote...

2) You have two trained squadmates  (they can be snipers if you wish) covering Elnora.

No, you dont. Sniper cover is not someone with a sniper rifle being somewhere near you, it is someone (generally concealed) already ready to take the shot the moment you signal. Neither squadmate has their sniper rifle out or ready.

Optimystic_X wrote...

AntiChri5 wrote...
Telon is not trained, not wearing armour, not an enemy combatant and obviously having a panic attack.

Elnora isn't a combatant either, not unless you pull YOUR gun on her and make a snarky comment. And Shepard has no reason to see her as one.

Yes she is. She is in an enemy uniform and armed with weapons she is trained in the use of. The only thing that sets her apart from the other mercs you kill is she thinks she can bluff you, then realises she might not be able to and reaches for her gun.

[PsyrenY]

AntiChri5 wrote...

No, it isnt. My reason for believing i can talk him down are that he is a loyal soldier and close friend.

Yet somehow he reached a crisis point to begin with. And the fact that you can lose him at all means that neither of those qualities are set in stone.

AntiChri5 wrote...
No, you dont. Sniper cover is not someone with a sniper rifle being somewhere near you, it is someone (generally concealed) already ready to take the shot the moment you signal. Neither squadmate has their sniper rifle out or ready.

So you think Thane/Garrus are less dangerous with their weapons sheathed? Or Miranda? Or Jack?
Give me a break.

AntiChri5 wrote...

Yes she is. She is in an enemy uniform

And we're back to the tired "uniform" argument, I see. I always thought experience mattered more than clothing, myself.

Modifié par Optimystic_X, 23 septembre 2010 - 02:28 .

[Whatever42]

AntiChri5 wrote...

I refuse to follow alignments, and feel perfectly justified in killing her.

Set aside roleplaying and look at what we know:

1) She has killed a helpless opponent before.

2) She has access to explosive rounds which no-one who attacks us uses.

3) She is trained in both weapons and biotics.

4) She is pointing a gun at you.

All of this proves that it is very possible for her to be a lethal threat. With that established, let us roleplay.

Commander Shepard is not invincible, he/she is not a god, he/she could die.

There are hundreds of thousands (millions, billions or even trillions) of lives counting on Shepard. His/her death means the failure of this mission and an end to any organised resistance against the reapers. Shepard is going to risk all that one one punks word? Shepard does not know that he cant die because it is a game, or that he/she can reload and has to treat all enemies as potentially deadly threats.

Ok, let us assume that an eclipse mercenary pointing a gun at you is a lethal threat. That just one bullet from said mercenary could kill you.

Shepard is here to find the name of a ship so a Justicar can track down a criminal. This has absolutely nothing to do with his mission to battle the collectors. If one mercenary is so dangerous and could kill, then why is he risking his life facing a hundred mercenaries - an obviously much, much greater risk. His death would mean the destruction of the galaxy and he's here ducking fire from a dozen mercenaries at a time, even fighting helicopter gunships to recruit one person?

Ok, lets assume that the mission will absolutely fail unless he recruits her. That his mission to obtain this information is critical to the safety of the galaxy. That he knows he can kill a hundred mercenaries, because he's done it before, so in he charges.

So after mowing down a score of mercs, here is is facing one merc who he had to practically pull out from cowering behind a desk. She seems willing to talk and surrender. Shepard might get the information he needs. But suddenly she pulls a gun. Shepard is clearly not feeling that that much danger - I have taken multiple missle hits and lived. I have all 3 of us pointing a gun at her. Heck, against Wrex, who is far more lethal, I stood there with less backup. And getting this information is crucial to the safety of the galaxy or I wouldn't be here.

So I make a corny one liner and shoot her. I didn't relexively shoot her. She didn't shoot me right away. I had time to tell her she was going to die and then shot her. Instead of trying to obtain the information on which the whole galaxy depended.

Rengade, sure. Stupid, definitely.

Modifié par Whatever666343431431654324, 23 septembre 2010 - 02:35 .

[AntiChri5]

Optimystic_X wrote...

AntiChri5 wrote...

No, it isnt. My reason for believing i can talk him down are that he is a loyal soldier and close friend.

Yet somehow he reached a crisis point to begin with. And the fact that you can lose him at all means that neither of those qualities are set in stone.

And i didnt say it was set in stone. Just that he had reason to believe it, besides which, sniper.

Optimystic_X wrote...

AntiChri5 wrote...
No, you dont. Sniper cover is not someone with a sniper rifle being somewhere near you, it is someone (generally concealed) already ready to take the shot the moment you signal. Neither squadmate has their sniper rifle out or ready.

So you think Thane/Garrus are less dangerous with their weapons sheathed? Or Miranda? Or Jack?
Give me a break.

Everyone is less dangerous with a weapon sheathed, even Jack (biotics do not work instantly, have you heard Jacks little story she tells you in the bathroom on the citadel?)

Optimystic_X wrote...

AntiChri5 wrote...

Yes she is. She is in an enemy uniform

And we're back to the tired "uniform" argument, I see. I always thought experience mattered more than clothing, myself.

It still makes her an enemy combatant.

And how do you know how experienced she is?

Look at Liara. A young asari with very little combat experience yet she is a very powerful biotic.

Way to single out an entire sentence and pretend the rest of my reasons dont exist, by the way.

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

AntiChri5 wrote...

I refuse to follow alignments, and feel perfectly justified in killing her.

Set aside roleplaying and look at what we know:

1) She has killed a helpless opponent before.

2) She has access to explosive rounds which no-one who attacks us uses.

3) She is trained in both weapons and biotics.

4) She is pointing a gun at you.

All of this proves that it is very possible for her to be a lethal threat. With that established, let us roleplay.

Commander Shepard is not invincible, he/she is not a god, he/she could die.

There are hundreds of thousands (millions, billions or even trillions) of lives counting on Shepard. His/her death means the failure of this mission and an end to any organised resistance against the reapers. Shepard is going to risk all that one one punks word? Shepard does not know that he cant die because it is a game, or that he/she can reload and has to treat all enemies as potentially deadly threats.

Ok, let us assume that an eclipse mercenary pointing a gun at you is a lethal threat. That just one bullet from said mercenary could kill you.

Shepard is here to find the name of a ship so a Justicar can track down a criminal. This has absolutely nothing to do with his mission to battle the collectors. If one mercenary is so dangerous and could kill, then why is he risking his life facing a hundred mercenaries - an obviously much, much greater risk. His death would mean the destruction of the galaxy and he's here ducking fire from a dozen mercenaries at a time, even fighting helicopter gunships to recruit one person?

Ok, lets assume that the mission will absolutely fail unless he recruits her. That his mission to obtain this information is critical to the safety of the galaxy. That he knows he can kill a hundred mercenaries, because he's done it before, so in he charges.

So after mowing down a score of mercs, here is is facing one merc who he had to practically pull out from cowering behind a desk. She seems willing to talk and surrender. Shepard might get the information he needs. But suddenly she pulls a gun. Shepard is clearly not feeling that that much danger - I have taken multiple missle hits and lived. I have all 3 of us pointing a gun at her. Heck, against Wrex, who is far more lethal, I stood there with less backup. And getting this information is crucial to the safety of the galaxy or I wouldn't be here.

You had way more backup against Wrex. You had Ashley (already ready to take him out at a moments notice), as well as Kaidan, Garrus, Liara, Tali, Captain Kirrahe and an entire squad of STG.

So I make a corny one liner and shoot her. I didn't relexively shoot her. She didn't shoot me right away. I had time to tell her she was going to die and then shot her. Instead of trying to obtain the information on which the whole galaxy depended.

Rengade, sure. Stupid, definitely.

Earlier someone pointed out it was highly unlikely a new initiate would have access to such sensitive information, and look at that she doesnt.

Modifié par AntiChri5, 23 septembre 2010 - 02:57 .

[Xilizhra]

Shepard only says, 'You made your choice Elnora' after noting that El pulls a weapon.

i.e. The 'choice' is that El pulled a weapon, and chose to fight, instead of remaining non-combatant.

No, her "choice" was picking the wrong side, I believe.

You had way more backup against Wrex. You had Ashley (already ready to take him out at a moments notice), as well as Kaidan, Garrus, Liara, Tali, Captain Kirrahe and an entire squad of STG.

Well, he is aiming a shotgun at your stomach, from a much closer range than Elnora. Unless it's an assault rifle and I'm misremembering, but krogan love shotguns, so...

So once he gets to the room with Elnora, he busts in and she immediately goes for the gun and points it at him, she is most definitely an enemy combatant so my shepards first reaction is to aim his gun. Now you could say that Shepard is only shooting her for wearing the wrong colors, however Shepard says "You picked the wrong side Elnora" when you choose Renegade. Now to my paragon sided brain this is a bluff, to try and draw her out, because at that point if she's sincere she'll cry out something and go into defensive mode. However she doesn't she curses at Shepard and goes full out attack. Shepard only shoots her after she shoots him in fact.

It didn't sound like a bluff in the least to me, and I can't imagine why it would be to her. And you never really know how people are going to react right before they die.

[AntiChri5]

Well, he is aiming a shotgun at your stomach, from a much closer range than Elnora. Unless it's an assault rifle and I'm misremembering, but krogan love shotguns, so...

Nope. He has a pistol. You have a shotgun. Besides which, you have your entire squad and at least ten trained STG specialists backing you up.

[PsyrenY]

AntiChri5 wrote...

And i didnt say it was set in stone. Just that he had reason to believe it, besides which, sniper.

So Krogan Battlemaster Wrex, even covered by a shooter is less dangerous in your world than green mercenary Elnora faced with two squadmates?

AntiChri5 wrote...
Everyone is less dangerous with a weapon sheathed, even Jack (biotics do not work instantly, have you heard Jacks little story she tells you in the bathroom on the citadel?)

Whatever loss their "danger coefficient" may have suffered, it is still enough to drop Elnora in a blink.
Thinking that Thane especially could not react in time is utterly foolish. He even says he can outdraw Shepard.

AntiChri5 wrote...
It still makes her an enemy combatant.

Clothes don't make you a combatant. Cowering under the desk and not firing makes you a noncombatant.

AntiChri5 wrote...
And how do you know how experienced she is?

She joined Eclipse last night.

[Xilizhra]

Nope. He has a pistol. You have a shotgun. Besides which, you have your entire squad and at least ten trained STG specialists backing you up.

I assume you're counting on a single shot not being fatal here?

[AntiChri5]

No, i am counting on him not shooting.