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[Zan51]

It's also been [postulated here that the center core is the shape of the species chosen to ascend, thus the larvae is human shaped, and will be inside the exoskeleton hull of the reapers we so know and love....

[Anacronian Stryx]

Don't think theres a Master Reaper but i guess they all have their pet projects - Sovereign was the sentinel and Harbinger was in charge of the collector faction.

[Chiyeko]

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

Have you guys noticed that in the end of ME2 where you see the reaper fleet, each reapers is completely different in physical appearence? Pretty embarrasing that i just noticed this after my multiple playthroughs of ME2.

noticed that on my first platytrough, but I am a techie so that is stuff I look for,  but it also supports that they make a new reaper time in resemblence to the race(s) they harvested that cicle.

As for a leader I doubt there is one, think it is more of a hive mind matter.

[Anacronian Stryx]

Chiyeko wrote...

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

Have you guys noticed that in the end of ME2 where you see the reaper fleet, each reapers is completely different in physical appearence? Pretty embarrasing that i just noticed this after my multiple playthroughs of ME2.

noticed that on my first platytrough, but I am a techie so that is stuff I look for,  but it also supports that they make a new reaper time in resemblence to the race(s) they harvested that cicle.

As for a leader I doubt there is one, think it is more of a hive mind matter.

There are some variations but overall they seem to adhere to the same squid like shape, Calling them completely different in shape is unfounded.

Modifié par Anacronian Stryx, 22 septembre 2010 - 12:34 .

[Breakdown Boy]

The leader is......







Penny Wise (the reaper clown) "We all float down here!"

[Zan Mura]

I would be seriously surprised if they had a leader at all. Some kind of a base or super-mainframe is possible, sure. But not a leader per-se.

[Anacronian Stryx]

Zan Mura wrote...

I would be seriously surprised if they had a leader at all. Some kind of a base or super-mainframe is possible, sure. But not a leader per-se.

Bioware just say NO to the Borg queen ..we know you can do it!!

[XCPTNL]

I don't really like the idea of a single leader. Then again I don't like the idea of a happy end in ME3 either, because there are way too many reapers I think and it's not believable that we just beat them all seeing how hard it was to just destroy Sovereign in the first part. I'm with the reapers, I think they should win. But that's not a mainstream happy end and usually no company has the guts to end a game with the enemies winning.

[JPXD]

I'm under the impression that there was someone (or something) that made the original Reaper. I've got my money on some kind of super computer powered by a madman from another galaxy.

[Zan Mura]

Korjyan wrote...

I don't really like the idea of a single leader. Then again I don't like the idea of a happy end in ME3 either, because there are way too many reapers I think and it's not believable that we just beat them all seeing how hard it was to just destroy Sovereign in the first part. I'm with the reapers, I think they should win. But that's not a mainstream happy end and usually no company has the guts to end a game with the enemies winning.

While I respect your opinion, I fail to see how making the entire jorney from ME1 to ME3 a useless waste of time is a matter of having guts. Or, hmm, well it depends on how you look at it certainly. I mean, making Jade Empire end in a scene where the whole game was just a dream your useless farmer of a character dreamed and now has to go and peel some potatos would certainly require guts. But it would be an extremely costly way to display those guts, considering the majority of the people playing it would likely feel completely cheated out of the entire experience.

Don't worry though. I fully believe you will have the option you so desire available to you. If ME2 was any indication, you can fail in ME3. For my part, in my story, Shepard will NOT fail.

[JohnnyBeGood2]

the leader is "sov-harbinger-ereign", that is his name.

[FouCapitan]

JPXD wrote...

I'm under the impression that there was someone (or something) that made the original Reaper. I've got my money on some kind of super computer powered by a madman from another galaxy.

Actually I believe the Reapers came from our galaxy.

You see, eons ago, there existed a race that spanned the galaxy.  Before the Protheans, and before the dozens to hundreds of galaxy spanning races before them.  This race, far advanced beyond anything we know, was afraid.  They had spent so long, and worked so hard to achieve their place in the universe, but they knew it would not be eternal.

So they turned to machinery, shedding their mortal shells to live on forever.  Bodies would no longer age, the mind could be backed up and preserved forever, their legacy, would never end.  In this, however, they were still not perfect.  A few individuals wished to continue life in their pure organic form, to live and die as they always have.  The downside of overpopulation due to a high percentage of immortal individuals became almost immediately apparent.  The leaders of this civilization then game to a conclusion.

A superstructure, far beyond any former synthetic body, was proposed.  With it, all the nations of their great civilization could be preserved.  Volunteers from all accross the galaxy had their bodies processed down to join the collective conciousness that would, eons later become known as the first of the Reapers.

As the Reapers were completed, those that remained grew fearful and mistrustful of these great beings.  Scientists and philosophers that stayed in the organic state reached a conclusion that their synthetic bretheren would turn on them, claiming their decision to remain organic, to live and die as evolution dictated, was a waste of the valuable resource their collective conciousness could provide.

Their fears secured that outcome, as war erupted between the reapers and the organics.  Irrelevant of who struck the first blow, both sides suffered heavy losses throughout, until the reapers devoloped methods of control to use on their organic opponents.  The first instances of indoctrination were quite easy, since the Reapers understood just how the organic minds of their enemies functioned.  Nanomachines invaded select hosts, and were released as sleeper agents into the armies of the organics.  Following which, the defeated army was forcefully processed down into reaper shells themselves, connecting directly into the shared conciousness of those they called enemies and coming to a shared conclusion.

With the entirety of their original species turned, the galaxy was still.  Thousands of years the reapers spent, alone with their shared thoughts, contemplating the reason and outcome of the long war they had just fought.  The conclusion came, that all organic life had failed, and their immortalization as a collective of machines was a fortunate exception to the never ending failure of evolution.

As new species' evolved and spread into the reaches of space, the reapers made the final alterations to the former center of their civilization, the Citadel, sending their forms off to Dark Space, while one remained behind.  They would observe civilization, wait for its apex, then invite them to join them in eternity, in perfection.  They would secure a valid future for life in their galaxy, whether it wanted it or not.

Modifié par FouCapitan, 22 septembre 2010 - 02:22 .

[JohnnyBeGood2]

in case that wall of text obscures the brevity of my insight for the masses, I will post again:



The leader is "sov-harbinger-ereign", that is his name.

[Anacronian Stryx]

Planet_Side wrote...

wait so how was harbinger or whatever reaper was controlling the collector general like awake out there in dark space? i thought they were all hibernating and it seemed he activated them at the end.
 

Obviously Harbinger was not hibernating - perhaps some last moment distress call from sovereign awoke them ..who knows.

and why dont the reapers just use FTL and fly into the galaxy they're right there?

Same reason as the Mass Relays is needed, The Galaxy is just to big and FTL is to slow.

[Fiery Phoenix]

Apparently it's Harbinger, but we don't know really.

[krimesh]

maddenking2010 wrote...

Im under impression that there is a master Reaper of sorts. The oldest and Mightiest of them all. What made me think of this was Harbinger, who at the moment appears the highest ranking reaper, but then I actualy that about his name, what is a harbinger? A harbinger is basicly a rep who precedes those of greater importance. What do you think? What would this master reaper be like?

"but we don't know really" is the best answer you can get right now. As to Harbinger's name, well he might be the harbinger of something, not of someone; namely the harbinger of our perfection through destruction.

When Grayson is controlled by the Reapers (Retribution novel), he is controlled by many of them at once. So they seem to be in accord with each other. I wouldn't say that the Reapers are like the Geth though, because every individual Geth is very limited, while every individual Reaper is a nation, according to Nazara. (On the other hand inside every Reaper there seem to be many sub-system (I think Legion says that the systems inside Sovereign call themselves Nazara, but I am not sure.), just like individual Geth-runtimes inside, say, Legion.)

Modifié par krimesh, 22 septembre 2010 - 04:09 .

[BackdraftBandit]

I don't believe there is a leadership power among the Reapers, and I hope there isn't one.

[Meshakhad2]

Whoever he is, he should be voiced by James Earl Jones.

[Lvl20DM]

So far the names of the Reapers (Harbinger and Sovereign) have been assigned by organic beings. Even the name "Reaper" was given to them by the Protheans. I think names, titles, and leadership might imply too much individuality. The Art of Mass Effect 2 book has a number of pics of the Human Reaper and the various approaches they took to its design. One of them has that squid shaped body - that is probably what it would have looked like when they finished building it.

Korjyan wrote...

I don't really like the idea of a single leader. Then again I don't like the idea of a happy end in ME3 either, because there are way too many reapers I think and it's not believable that we just beat them all seeing how hard it was to just destroy Sovereign in the first part. I'm with the reapers, I think they should win. But that's not a mainstream happy end and usually no company has the guts to end a game with the enemies winning.

I don't think the Reapers will be defeated through military means. Even a prepared Galaxy probably wouldn't be capable of doing much to the Reaper fleet. Some reapers might be destroyed, but I just don't see a win through warfare happening. The defeat of the Reapers will be one born of an understanding of their origin, I think.

[StarcloudSWG]

There's a hint about "beings of light" that are opposed to the "dark machine-devils". And there are a number of other little hints here and there on abandoned/ruined planets. There's still more to the Mass Effect universe than has been revealed, but we don't yet know what it means or what it's leading up to.



I would also not be surprised if the Reapers have a fatally crippling flaw in an alternate tech path, and part of their 'harvest' includes wiping out races that are proceeding in different directions than they want those races to.

[moddit]

Crab People rule the universe.

[krimesh]

Planet_Side wrote...

what about the living starship the batarians found on that one planet? maybe it has something to do with how to fight them? sorry off topic....

I don't know where you got that from, but the batarians were the one's to find Sovereign. So maybe that was just a reference to Nazara.

StarcloudSWG wrote...
There's a hint about "beings of light" that are opposed to the "dark machine-devils". And there are a number of other little hints here and there on abandoned/ruined planets.

Like what? Hanhar religion? As far as I am concerned, all we have for now is that the Protheans were trying to put up a fight. Actually, I think that Liara said something about the Shadow Broker still looking for info about the Protheans for some reason.

I think that at the moment the Protheans are those who are the most likely to provide a way to defeat the Reapers. I have doubts that any of them survived, but they might have had other hold-outs like Ilos, and who knows what might have been buried there. (Or maybe another extinct race left something for us...)

I think we shouldn't expect a lot of revelations in ME3. Up till now the style was pretty much that things got done by hardcore research & intel-gathering, and a lot of literal and metaphorical face-punching, most of which was done by Shepard and his or her motley bunch. Answers found have been simple and plausible. People were expecting a big revelation as to who the Shadow Broker might be, and Lo! none came.

So probably no pink-colored Reapers will swoop down on the galaxy to safe us from their dark-side brothers.

Modifié par krimesh, 23 septembre 2010 - 12:21 .

[Anacronian Stryx]

krimesh wrote...

Planet_Side wrote...

what about the living starship the batarians found on that one planet? maybe it has something to do with how to fight them? sorry off topic....

I don't know where you got that from, but the batarians were the one's to find Sovereign. So maybe that was just a reference to Nazara.

From here

StarcloudSWG wrote...
There's a hint about "beings of light" that are opposed to the "dark machine-devils". And there are a number of other little hints here and there on abandoned/ruined planets.

Like what? Hanhar religion?

 
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