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[Funkjoker]

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How can you believe that a fixpack changes anything _technical_?!



Looking at the tech forum again, there are countless threads mentioning crashes and not anyone in which a dev posted. I'm playing games for years and know how to handle hardware issues, however, all bugs/crashes are entirely DA-related. As long as there won't come a good 1.05 patch, I won't support BioWare by buying DA2. And why is the source for Awakening not available? There are so many issues still left with Awakening which modders cannot fix. It's a shame, really, because that's BioWare job.

[Tatinger]

Jean-Funk Van Damme wrote...

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How can you believe that a fixpack changes anything _technical_?!

Looking at the tech forum again, there are countless threads mentioning crashes and not anyone in which a dev posted. I'm playing games for years and know how to handle hardware issues, however, all bugs/crashes are entirely DA-related. As long as there won't come a good 1.05 patch, I won't support BioWare by buying DA2. And why is the source for Awakening not available? There are so many issues still left with Awakening which modders cannot fix. It's a shame, really, because that's BioWare job.

This is exactly the same way I feel.

What's really discouraging about all this is that a lot of our angst could be resolved with a simple statement/promise from Bioware that these problems will be addressed post DA2 launch but, as that hasn't happened as of yet, I fear that the issue for them is closed -- and has been for quite some time, really.  I do understand that there are legal ramifications for issuing such edicts but you'd think with all the griping that has been done on the forums about these things that, prior to the launch of their big sequel, they'd want to calm the waters a bit (again, not a good sign).

It's a shame.  I really did like Origins and would've liked to have seen where the franchise and the game's worldline was headed but I'm afraid I'll be spared Mr. Gaider's epic-crafting brilliance due to the unresolved technical difficulties of one sole product causing a lack of consumer confidence.

Modifié par Tatinger, 27 novembre 2010 - 08:27 .

[ladydesire]

Jean-Funk Van Damme wrote...

And why is the source for Awakening not available?

For the same reason that there hasn't been work done on a new patch, which I believe Chris Priestly said they would be working on; all of the developers have been working on DA2. This has also been stated by Fernando Melo and Victor Wacther in a past Dragon Age Podcast.

There are so many issues still left with Awakening which modders cannot fix. It's a shame, really, because that's BioWare job.

The interesting thing is, some of these things have work-arounds and don't always affect everyone.


Edit: Allowing the DA game client to access more memory is an indication of limitations in what a 32-bit program can access on it's own; if there was a 64-bit executable available (which I believe is the case with the Mac port), those kind of problems wouldn't happen.

Modifié par ladydesire, 27 novembre 2010 - 08:39 .

[Tatinger]

ladydesire wrote...

Jean-Funk Van Damme wrote...

And why is the source for Awakening not available?

For the same reason that there hasn't been work done on a new patch, which I believe Chris Priestly said they would be working on; all of the developers have been working on DA2. This has also been stated by Fernando Melo and Victor Wacther in a past Dragon Age Podcast.

There are so many issues still left with Awakening which modders cannot fix. It's a shame, really, because that's BioWare job.

The interesting thing is, some of these things have work-arounds and don't always affect everyone.


Edit: Allowing the DA game client to access more memory is an indication of limitations in what a 32-bit program can access on it's own; if there was a 64-bit executable available (which I believe is the case with the Mac port), those kind of problems wouldn't happen.

I don't subscribe to the podcast but you don't happen to have that Chris Priestly statement bookmarked, do you?  I seem to remember a very different post, from a different developer, stating something quite to the contrary (this was sometime ago, though, so I guess that it's possible that there has been a nice philosophical shift behind the scenes since then). 

At any rate, if true, the Fernando Melo and Victor Wacther announcement is great news -- although, again, for all the grumbling that has been done on these boards about this particular issue, you'd think that they would want to make sure that such an announcement was shouted from the highest mountain (i. e. attaching it to all of the Dragon Age-related forums via a sticky post or something). The fact that there are still a lot of people complaining would seem to indicate that the message hasn't been heard.

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ladydesire wrote...

Allowing the DA game client to access more memory is an indication of limitations in what a 32-bit program can access on it's own; if there was a 64-bit executable available (which I believe is the case with the Mac port), those kind of problems wouldn't happen.

Again, just to reiterate what everyone has been saying, it's not soley the memory issues that we're talking about here.  It's the bugs which have been confirmed and documented and still remain unfixed.

Modifié par Tatinger, 30 novembre 2010 - 12:04 .

[purplegaelic]

This is insane!I purchased DAO for the 360 on its release,oh,how long ago was it now?An AGE ago!!!After struggling to play it for a month i finally gave up,deciding to wait for a patch/update to fix the myriad of bugs in the game.Ive been a HUGE Bioware fan for years.Heck,i didnt even bother buying a 360 til the day ME was released.Being a bit of an old-timer,eye-candy aint at the top of my list in prerequisites when it comes to the games i enjoy playing,so,in need of a Bioware fix i went through BG2 again naively assuming Bioware would fix DAO quickly.Now here i am,an AGE & oodles of DLC later,but still unable to play DAO the way id like due to bugs.And the a#$%*@#s have the nerve to promote a sequel to this product???!!!??

[Funkjoker]

Patch 1.01a: Release Date: 6 November 2009

Patch 1.01b: Release Date: 17 November 2009

Patch 1.02: Release Date: 7 December 2009

Patch 1.02a: Release date: 21 December 2009

Patch 1.03: Release date: 3 March 2010

Patch 1.04: Release date: 19 July 2010 (PC Version patch)

What do these numbers tell us? (a) and ( patches were crucial and released approx. two weeks after their predecessors. After december we had an almost 4-month-break, which was preparing the code for Awakening, however, it was a huge mistake, as they did NOT put enough time for polishing, bugfixing, etc.
4 months after march we got 1.04, which fixed some, but ->NOT<- all problems 1.03 introduced. DLC for DAO are cancelled and no dev said anything about an upcoming patch for DAO.
It's now december and nobody besides BioWare knows about a future patch.
As long as there isn't a proper answer to that, I won't buy DA2. Crashes, AWAKENING!!, etc., are not resolved, just to mention a few things.
Do we get a 1.05 patch or not? It's tedious asking this simple question again and again.

Modifié par Jean-Funk Van Damme, 07 décembre 2010 - 06:25 .

[Thandal N'Lyman]

Jean-Funk Van Damme wrote...
Do we get a 1.05 patch or not? It's tedious asking this simple question again and again.

To quote a certain Qunari, "NO." 

No BioWare resources are assigned to any more work on DA:O. 
DA2 (and beyond!) have their full attention. 
The Community will have to develop any new fixes.

Modifié par Thandal NLyman, 07 décembre 2010 - 10:37 .

[ladydesire]

Tatinger wrote...


Again, just to reiterate what everyone has been saying, it's not soley the memory issues that we're talking about here.  It's the bugs which have been confirmed and documented and still remain unfixed.

Can you give me a list of these confirmed bugs, or a link to where they have been confirmed as bugs by Bioware?

[Thandal N'Lyman]

ladydesire wrote...

Tatinger wrote...


Again, just to reiterate what everyone has been saying, it's not soley the memory issues that we're talking about here.  It's the bugs which have been confirmed and documented and still remain unfixed.

Can you give me a list of these confirmed bugs, or a link to where they have been confirmed as bugs by Bioware?

BioWare doesn't provide a "confirmed bug" list.  But many of their staff post regularly both here on the BSN, and at the Dragon Age  Wiki.

While I don't know if it's been updated through the "Ultimate Edition", (or even through GoA  or WH) a good place to start looking is: dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Dragon_Age:_Origins_Bugs/Glitches. 

Always check the change list reported in any official patches to see if an earlier issue might have been resolved. 
The wiki can hold obsolete information (lookin' at YOU, "Dex-for-Daggers glitch"!) long after it's no longer accurate.

Modifié par Thandal NLyman, 08 décembre 2010 - 03:39 .

[Varus Torvyn]

I'll be happy with a released 1.05 that fixes the Silverite Mine bug,

[Thandal N'Lyman]

Varus Torvyn wrote...

I'll be happy with a released 1.05 that fixes the Silverite Mine bug,

As I said, earlier, we'll have to rely on the Community for any additional fixes.
Oh, wait.  For this one, TerraEx already did: http://www.dragonage...ile.php?id=1762 

Modifié par Thandal NLyman, 23 décembre 2010 - 01:09 .

[Angband21]

Don't know what all the fuss is about. Soon everyone will be ooohing and aaaahing about DA2 (until the patches that don't address major issues comes out) and then everyone will oooh and aaah over the release of DLC expansions for DA2, until they realize that the expansions have been rushed and are buggy. By then, Bugware will announce DA3 and everyone will oooh and aaah over its impending release.





To paraphrase from Liar, Liar... "you just have to bend over and take it up the azz"

[Captain Sassy Pants]

Thandal NLyman wrote...

Varus Torvyn wrote...

I'll be happy with a released 1.05 that fixes the Silverite Mine bug,

As I said, earlier, we'll have to rely on the Community for any additional fixes.
Oh, wait.  For this one, TerraEx already did: http://www.dragonage...ile.php?id=1762 

That is absolutely ridiculous. They should fix their own damn game, and not rely on the community to do their work for them.

No one should buy the second game until the first is actually finished. It's too bad that there are too many sheep/fanboys that will buy it regardless. Even without all of the ridiculous changes made to the sequel, there's no way that I would buy it until the first game and it's expansion are properly addressed.

Why?

Because who is to say that (and the pattern shows that) they won't just dump a broken DA2 and move on to the next game?

They need to be held accountable.

[Funkjoker]

Captain Sassy Pants wrote...

That is absolutely ridiculous. They should fix their own damn game, and not rely on the community to do their work for them.

No one should buy the second game until the first is actually finished. It's too bad that there are too many sheep/fanboys that will buy it regardless. Even without all of the ridiculous changes made to the sequel, there's no way that I would buy it until the first game and it's expansion are properly addressed.

I can't agree more. Silverite Mine, Starfang and especially DLCissues won't be resolved. Why? People buy them, so why support them further even if there are issues?

[Gorath Alpha]

I will scan upward here in this message thread, but this last comment, and the quoted one, belong either on EA's Help Site, or the appropriate Tech Forum for discussion, however, you very specifically may be interested in another recent comment I've made in there that addressed game crashes: 

http://social.biowar...89244/9#5941694

Thandal NLyman wrote...

Jean-Funk Van Damme wrote...
Do we get a 1.05 patch or not? It's tedious asking this simple question again and again. ../../../images/forum/emoticons/sleeping.png

No BioWare resources are assigned to any more work on DA:O.  DA2 (and beyond!) have their full attention.  The Community will have to develop any new fixes.

IMO, the only official word on that would have to be obtained via the Official Help Site, not merely through gamer to gamer scuttlebutt.  I certainly have seen no official admission that all efforts to continue fixing problems with DAO have been totally abandoned. 

It is also my opinion that speculations such as Thandal's here are rightfully either a tech item, or spam, one or the other (sorry, I don't mean that derisely, but rather, as a sort of definition point).  I don't think that the direction here in the thread is "General Subject" DAO material at this point (although if it's been headed this way all along, I wonder why it hasn't been moderated before now). 

Modifié par Gorath Alpha, 05 février 2011 - 09:40 .

[bzombo]

Captain Sassy Pants wrote...

Thandal NLyman wrote...

Varus Torvyn wrote...

I'll be happy with a released 1.05 that fixes the Silverite Mine bug,

As I said, earlier, we'll have to rely on the Community for any additional fixes.
Oh, wait.  For this one, TerraEx already did: http://www.dragonage...ile.php?id=1762 

That is absolutely ridiculous. They should fix their own damn game, and not rely on the community to do their work for them.

No one should buy the second game until the first is actually finished. It's too bad that there are too many sheep/fanboys that will buy it regardless. Even without all of the ridiculous changes made to the sequel, there's no way that I would buy it until the first game and it's expansion are properly addressed.

Why?

Because who is to say that (and the pattern shows that) they won't just dump a broken DA2 and move on to the next game?

They need to be held accountable.

quit being whiny. not everyone is affected by the bugs that affect you, so buying da2 does not make them sheep.

[Captain Sassy Pants]

bzombo wrote...

Captain Sassy Pants wrote...

Thandal NLyman wrote...

Varus Torvyn wrote...

I'll be happy with a released 1.05 that fixes the Silverite Mine bug,

As I said, earlier, we'll have to rely on the Community for any additional fixes.
Oh, wait.  For this one, TerraEx already did: http://www.dragonage...ile.php?id=1762 

That is absolutely ridiculous. They should fix their own damn game, and not rely on the community to do their work for them.

No one should buy the second game until the first is actually finished. It's too bad that there are too many sheep/fanboys that will buy it regardless. Even without all of the ridiculous changes made to the sequel, there's no way that I would buy it until the first game and it's expansion are properly addressed.

Why?

Because who is to say that (and the pattern shows that) they won't just dump a broken DA2 and move on to the next game?

They need to be held accountable.

quit being whiny. not everyone is affected by the bugs that affect you, so buying da2 does not make them sheep.

Actually, they are. Ancient Elven boots don't appear on ANY PC VERSION.

Extra healing affects from items? Yup, those don't work on any version.

I wasn't only talking about crashing. There are a myriad of little bugs that they didn't fix. 

Nothing "whiny" about wanting them to essentially finish the product they put out, but continue being a yes man. I mean, that's what these forums are for, aren't they?

[Eurypterid]

Folks, be excellent to each other and cut out the personal jabs.

[ladydesire]

Eurypterid wrote...

Folks, be excellent to each other and cut out the personal jabs.

*wonders if dunniteowl snuck something in Eurypterid's drink*

Gee, that sounds familiar.

[XTR3M3]

The only thing I worry about with new patches is the developers don't seem to give a crap about modders....I wouldn't look forward to half or more of my mods not working.

[Funkjoker]

^ Any mod can be updated so that it'll be compatible. If some modder isn't active anymore it'll be not BioWare's fault.

I may wonder... now that BioWare is collecting feedback about DA2 and probably prepares some patch for it, I do hope that this diamond of a RPG [DAO] gets a proper patch after the epic fails of 1.03 and 1.04!

Especially the technical bugs must be fixed. See the memory leak or the crashes... not nice.
After playing the DA2demo I thought that it was _much more_ polished [technical wise] than DAO.
BioWare, give us a good patch for DAO!

Modifié par Jean-Funk Van Damme, 23 février 2011 - 12:54 .

[Xx_Belzak_xX]

I wouldn't count on a patch. Bioware seems just like any other company: They've got our money, and now that their next cash cow is on the way, **** Dragon Age. It's all about money. There is no profit in another patch at this point for Dragon Age Origins/Awakening. Mass Effect 1 and 2 were good, that much I can say. I've not seen a single bug or glitch in either game. So kudos to them; they don't suck as much as I originally thought. Still, releasing game breaking patch after game breaking patch....Who do they hire to create the patches for these games? Monkies?

The point is, with DA2 on the way, you can almost be sure that DAO/Awakening is the furthest thing from their minds right now. If there is a patch, then good, and hopefully it wont make things worse, ie making your computer self destruct because you clicked a certain spot on the ground or some bull****. But I repeat, don't get your hopes up, they've got our money, so we might as well just **** off. I will not be buying DA2. I don't feel like spending money on something that will probably have more glitches and bugs than the Sahara desert has grains of sand.

[bzombo]

Captain Sassy Pants wrote...

bzombo wrote...

Captain Sassy Pants wrote...

Thandal NLyman wrote...

Varus Torvyn wrote...

I'll be happy with a released 1.05 that fixes the Silverite Mine bug,

As I said, earlier, we'll have to rely on the Community for any additional fixes.
Oh, wait.  For this one, TerraEx already did: http://www.dragonage...ile.php?id=1762 

That is absolutely ridiculous. They should fix their own damn game, and not rely on the community to do their work for them.

No one should buy the second game until the first is actually finished. It's too bad that there are too many sheep/fanboys that will buy it regardless. Even without all of the ridiculous changes made to the sequel, there's no way that I would buy it until the first game and it's expansion are properly addressed.

Why?

Because who is to say that (and the pattern shows that) they won't just dump a broken DA2 and move on to the next game?

They need to be held accountable.

quit being whiny. not everyone is affected by the bugs that affect you, so buying da2 does not make them sheep.

Actually, they are. Ancient Elven boots don't appear on ANY PC VERSION.

Extra healing affects from items? Yup, those don't work on any version.

I wasn't only talking about crashing. There are a myriad of little bugs that they didn't fix. 

Nothing "whiny" about wanting them to essentially finish the product they put out, but continue being a yes man. I mean, that's what these forums are for, aren't they?

you are being whiny. you're complaining about minor bugs. granted, we'd all like them fixed, but your attitude that no one should buy the game until they fix dao is absurd. most have played and finished it just fine. my problem is that you are trying to tell everyone else how they should react based on your experience with the game. i'm not a yes man. there are many things i am critical of about dao, but i'm not one to whine and complain until someone hears me and gives me a hug.