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[mosor]

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

Wasn't there a carpet somewhere during Kasumi's loyalty mission?

It's understandbale to think that given Hock's affinity for all things retro, but alas no carpets. Just different shades of metal floors.

Modifié par mosor, 02 octobre 2010 - 05:05 .

[Turin_4]

Il Divo,

The problem isn't really his use of the word gay...

Well, no, it is, really.  For the reasons I've described in detail.

On an internet forum, which have infamous reputations for misconstruing even the most basic of ideas.

Did I think he actually meant that to be homosexual is to be stupid literally?  No.  Did I think the choice of words was insensitive and offensive?  Yes, as well as unnecessary.  Was there some literary merit served by using 'gay' to mean 'stupid' that was served?  Obviously not.  Some great political stand taken?  No.

It is not difficult to accept that a word can have multiple
meanings. It is also not difficult to accept that people are generally
stupid and will take any opportunity to twist what another person says
to their own advantage.

Yes, obviously I'm unaware that words can have different meanings.  That's very clear from my posts, Il Divo.  Furthermore I'm clearly stupid, and your ad hominem attacks don't ironically convey a very different message than you intend.

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However, the argument is over a word.  That's just borderline retarded, and I'm a grammar nut.

If you call yourself a grammar nut, it really shouldn't be so strange to you.  Words have different meanings, it's true.  Meanings of words change over time, that's also true.  Meanings of the word 'gay' are changing right now, because the social stigma attached to being gay is changing.

Now, are you really going to argue that the 'gay = stupid' meaning you're using in your review is attached to anything other than, originally, a young male insult meant to convey that someone else might be a homosexual and thus worthy of contempt?  Of course not.  That's what I meant when I said we ought to just cut the bullcrap earlier, smudboy.  That's this particular usage of the word gay comes from.  It's an insult, and it wasn't meant originally to be funny or harmless.  And it's a recent usage, one that is still meant more often than not as an insult and not just some sort of commentary on intelligence or quality.

If someone can get offended over a single word?  These are people
not worth my time.  The guy hasn't written anything of value in response
to my views or opinions.  It's like saying the word "native" and
someone thinks I'm insulting Eskimos, Native Americans, Indians, or some
such.  It's assinine and completely missing the point.

No, it's like you said the word 'native' and meant 'stupid' and were baffled when someone was critical of you for it.  Let's be accurate.  Communication is a two-way street.  Words don't just have the meaning you give them, they also have the meaning they have to those that hear them.  With a word so easily communicated as 'stupid', why choose a word that identifies with a minority group when you're using an insult?  Are you really that lazy?

[LordMandalore]

I opened the video with doubts.
Strangely, I find all of these points incredibly valid. Even those I don't agree with do have a good point depending on your point of view.
But that's just my opinion.

Modifié par LordMandalore, 02 octobre 2010 - 06:22 .

[smudboy]

LordMandalore wrote...

I opened the video with doubts.
Strangely, I find all of these points incredibly valid. Even those I don't agree with do have a good point depending on your point of view.
But that's just my opinion.

Good to hear.  I liked LOTSB, and wish the rest of the game had at least that level of attention to the story.

[Il Divo]

smudboy wrote...

Nice to see you again Divo.  Actually, I'm all for giving my opponents weapon to attack my views.  I want to know where I am wrong.  However, the argument is over a word.  That's just borderline retarded, and I'm a grammar nut.

Likewise, it has been a while. Good to see you as well. I'm glad to see you've been doing work on some of the nuts on this board.

And you make a good point. In any post, we technically are submitting our arguments/opinions to be attacked by our opponents. It's a great exercise to strengthen our own views. There is nothing wrong with reflection. 

If someone can get offended over a single word?  These are people not worth my time.  The guy hasn't written anything of value in response to my views or opinions.  It's like saying the word "native" and someone thinks I'm insulting Eskimos, Native Americans, Indians, or some such.  It's assinine and completely missing the point.

But this is actually why I caution against use of the word gay. Not because I find it  'offensive' or anything foolish like that, but the unfortunate truth is there are idiots who will attempt to argue the semantics rather than your points. And the sad part is, they will do so thinking that they are dispelling your arguments. I just think that by avoiding the word you deny them any opportunity to derail your arguments.

The word gay can mean something that sucks, is happy, or homosexual.  If they can't interpret my use of the word -- even with imagery -- again, these people are not worth my time.

I will write about it because it's so goddamned hilarious, though.

I can't disagree with this. Given some of the replies, humor seems to be the only appropriate response.

[Il Divo]

Turin_4 wrote...

Well, no, it is, really.  For the reasons I've described in detail.

Did I think he actually meant that to be homosexual is to be stupid literally?  No.  Did I think the choice of words was insensitive and offensive?  Yes, as well as unnecessary.  Was there some literary merit served by using 'gay' to mean 'stupid' that was served?  Obviously not.  Some great political stand taken?  No.

The only qualm I see with his use of the word is that it gave some in this thread the opportunity to focus on that single word rather than on the actual arguments presented in his video. It would not be a problem if people were not making a big deal over it. Smud explained which use of the word gay he was employing, and it was not the definition everyone had assumed. There was ambiguity. He cleared it up. What exactly is the problem at this juncture?  

[Turin_4]

Il Divo,



It's the Internet. Topics drift. This can't be news to you. I explained in detail my problem with the choice of words. Others have as well. Why, exactly, is it necessary to use a term referring to a minority group as an insult, particularly when that insult is extremely common and very interchangeable?



Especially when that term was originally meant exactly because it was an insult, not for any of its other uses? That is, gay=stupid was because it was stupid to be gay, not because of its meanings relating to bright, happy, or odd.

[Il Divo]

Turin_4 wrote...

Il Divo,

It's the Internet. Topics drift. This can't be news to you. I explained in detail my problem with the choice of words. Others have as well. Why, exactly, is it necessary to use a term referring to a minority group as an insult, particularly when that insult is extremely common and very interchangeable?

I repeat: was he using the phrase to refer to homosexuals? If we are assuming fidelity to the author's own arguments and he claims he was not referring to homosexuals, then he is not referring to homosexuals. 

Especially when that term was originally meant exactly because it was an insult, not for any of its other uses? That is, gay=stupid was because it was stupid to be gay, not because of its meanings relating to bright, happy, or odd.

http://dictionary.re....com/browse/Gay

Six different adjectival definitions of gay, four of which have absolutely nothing to do with homosexuality. Pick one of them. Whichever one you choose, I can show you in syllogicstic form how it is not offensive to homosexuals. Here, let's practice using definition # 2:

Statement 1: Gay=bright/showy.
Statement 2: Gay=stupid.
Ergo, statement 3:  Bright/showy=stupid.

It is not a big deal like some are making it out to be.

[Turin_4]

Il Divo,

I repeat: was he using the phrase to refer to homosexuals? If we are assuming fidelity to the author's own arguments and he claims he was not referring to homosexuals, then he is not referring to homosexuals.

I wasn't aware that words only had the meaning their speakers intended them to carry. I was unaware that communication was a one-way street, Il Divo. I also forgot that I specifically mentioned at least once that he wasn't literally referring to homosexuals, but using the word in a way that has its roots in slandering homosexuals.

Six different adjectival definitions of gay, four of which have absolutely nothing to do with homosexuality. Pick one of them. Whichever one you choose, I can show you in syllogicstic form how it is not offensive to homosexuals. Here, let's practice using definition # 2:

If you'd actually read my posts on this subject - another irony, much like your attacks on this subject - you'd see that I'm perfectly aware of the multiple definitions of the term, including the bright and showy one. In fact, I specifically used that one above. Are you honestly going to tell me that gay=stupid has its roots in gay as bright and showy instead of gay as homosexual, though?



Yes, words have multiple meanings. But when people say 'gay=stupid', that meaning doesn't come from any of those other meanings, and there isn't a person in this conversation who doesn't know it. Including you. Is it a big deal? Obviously not. But neither is the original item being discussed anyway.

[MisterDyslexo]

Awesome as always. Don't always agree with you, but you're very intelligent in your opinion & argument that everybody should respect your opinion.

[BRATCK-38RUS]

ПОДСКАЖИТИ ПОАЛУСТА КАК ПОЛУЧАТЬ ОЧКИ ЧТО - БЫ ПОТОМ ЗАГРУИТЬ ДОПОЛНИТЕЛЬНЫЙ КОНТЕКТ А ТО Я ЧТО - ТО НЕ ВРУБИЛСЯ В Mass Effect 2 БУДУ ОЧЕНЬ ПРИЗНАТЕЛЕН !!!!!!!!

[Valmarn]

As lame and condescending as that video was, I'm glad it put me to sleep halfway through.

[smudboy]

Valmarn wrote...

As lame and condescending as that video was, I'm glad it put me to sleep halfway through.

As lame and pathetic your brain is, I'm glad you wasted your time on this post.

[Nightwriter]

smudboy, do you want to get temp banned?

Haters gonna hate. Can't let it get you banned. If you get banned, who will be the resident critic?

[Asari]

BRATCK-38RUS wrote...

ПОДСКАЖИТИ ПОАЛУСТА КАК ПОЛУЧАТЬ ОЧКИ ЧТО - БЫ ПОТОМ ЗАГРУИТЬ ДОПОЛНИТЕЛЬНЫЙ КОНТЕКТ А ТО Я ЧТО - ТО НЕ ВРУБИЛСЯ В Mass Effect 2 БУДУ ОЧЕНЬ ПРИЗНАТЕЛЕН !!!!!!!!

Jag önskar att jag förstod vad du menade, hyfsat svårt när du snackar ryska.. Du kanske borde lära dig engelska?



I'm sorry but I just HAD to answer in swedish ^^
Sometimes I wished I had a translator like the one in Mass Effect

[TMA LIVE]

Nightwriter wrote...

smudboy, do you want to get temp banned?

Haters gonna hate. Can't let it get you banned. If you get banned, who will be the resident critic?

(points at Night) Well, at least till smud gets back.

[Valmarn]

smudboy wrote...

Valmarn wrote...

As lame and condescending as that video was, I'm glad it put me to sleep halfway through.

As lame and pathetic your brain is, I'm glad you wasted your time on this post.

That's not the most clever comeback I've ever received, but I appreciate the effort.

Nightwriter wrote...

smudboy, do you want to get temp banned?

Haters gonna hate. Can't let it get you banned. If you get banned, who will be the resident critic?

I don't hate people I've never met, whose worst "crime" was making a silly youtube video.

[Count Viceroy]

Nightwriter wrote...

smudboy, do you want to get temp banned?

Haters gonna hate. Can't let it get you banned. If you get banned, who will be the resident whiner?