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AwesomeEffect2 wrote...


When Vasir takes a hostage you can choose to shoot her. When you do this you might notice that her barriers weren’t working?

Vasir can use charge to move in light speed and jump on buildings! Why didn’t she use this power in order to escape from Shepard and Liara in the first place? And also why didn’t the Shadow Broker agents just pick her up when you were fighting them?


That's where I'd say "It's just a video game." Because I could also ask why Liara just doesn't stasis Vasir while she's running from them. Or stasis her car.

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Another really good analysis, Smudboy.



I don't think Liara's changes are ever going to be explained to my satisfaction. But after playing the DLC I decided there was enough that I could be content.



I didn't make the connection between the Shadow Broker and ogres from Dragon Age. Now I can't get it out of my mind. I thought he was some bizzare krogan/salarian hybrid with some lamprey tossed in for good measure.



I really liked how Vasir was able to throw all the terrible things Cerberus has done in my face. My only complaint was that there was no paragon response to show how unhappy you can be at the situation. I was somewhat molified by the fact that I could cite the stuff I'd done in the past to intimidate her while Liara clocks her from behind. Woohoo! references to ME 1 that aren't throwaway lines!



The SB's dossiers, even as just text, provides more depth and charactarization to your squadmates than the entirety of the ME 2 game outside their loyalty missions. People get way too wrapped up in cinematic scenes ("Hey look! They're walking while they're talking!") and forget that they need to have a personality when they're not the center of attention too.



And yes, the ME team really needs to take notes from Alpha Protocol. They could learn much from that game.



The Shadow Broker was sending probes through the relay! Not that I needed any convincing that TIM and Cerberus were idiots, but that pretty much confirmed it. If it wasn't for the whole "selling my corpse to the Collectors" I think I'd rather have worked for him than TIM!

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Few more things I'd like to add:

During the hostage scene, when telling Vasir that she’ll lose her Specter status for bombing the building she replies by saying that she’ll tell the Council that Cerberus did that and that they’ll believe her.
Would the Council really believe her when they see all that huge pile of dead SB soldiers?

Why wasn’t there an option where Shepard mentions something about Vasir's combat skill? After the battle, why cant we either honor her or tell her how disappointingly weak she was? Also, why couldn’t Shepard choose to fight her solo? It would have made the fight even better.

Where the hell is Tazzik -- the most badass salarian ever?

Modifié par AwesomeEffect2, 01 juillet 2011 - 06:36 .


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smudboy wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

I wish you'd stop focusing on the more trivial things, like the fact that kitchen technology hasn't improved in hundreds of years and we landed on a weird part of the ship.

You have a very talented critical eye and I'd rather you focus it more on things like Shep just accepting a random Spectre's sudden appearance and being unable to tell Vasir that serving the Council is nothing to be proud of.

Focus, smudboy. Use the Force!

If they can't tell me how exactly those blue alien chicks mate, they could at least show one of their thousand year old Futuristic Ms. Coffee's...

Oh, come on Nightwriter.  You were just biased by the "better than the Mako" comment.


I remember thinking, "Let's get some of this writing gold in a syringe and inject it into ME2, STAT!"

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smud and night - love in... NAO!

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And give birth to such monstrosities as "A Video Analysis of Nightwriter's Boobs"? I think not.

Cagny and Lacy are not interested, thank you.

Besides, smudboy would go up in a puff of smoke if he ever encountered something too magnificent for critique.

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Pretty girls never have a sense of humor.

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I never really had a problem with alot of ME2, at all. Most people here know I push for praise. But LoTSB, if ME2 was done this way, well, wow. Now smudboy I did watch all of them but Night is right. If you didnt push the small things, the Thane/Feron joke got old quick. The relentless bashing of shoot more people and well the way you picked everything out, there was one thing that did stand out. Yes I wanted to talk to Vasir to see if I could see more about her.

and night,

And give birth to such monstrosities as "A Video Analysis of Nightwriter's Boobs"? I think not.

Cagny and Lacy are not interested, thank you.

Besides, smudboy would go up in a puff of smoke if he ever encountered something too magnificent for critique.


lolz, just had to say it, you make my day sometimes

Modifié par theelementslayer, 25 septembre 2010 - 02:59 .


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Brilliant smudboy! I liked the snarky humor as well except for the Thane/Feron joke which felt a tad off-kilter . =] I am really glad to see that I'm not the only one who felt that the DLC was less than steller (although in comparison to the base game it is indeed decent -- offering a palatable superficiality to a rotten core).

Also, me likey your smexy voice too! ;)
 

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Fhaileas wrote...

Brilliant smudboy! I liked the snarky humor as well except for the Thane/Feron joke which felt a tad off-kilter . =] I am really glad to see that I'm not the only one who felt that the DLC was less than steller (although in comparison to the base game it is indeed decent -- offering a palatable superficiality to a rotten core).

Also, me likey your smexy voice too! ;)
 

Bwahahaha!  Hear that Night?  Others might like your headlights, but I've got a voice fan.  One amongst a horde of people who cannot stand my dry ramblings...but it's still nice.

I still say LOTSB > ME2.  Just as nutty, but with more meaningful stuff.

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smudboy wrote...

(1 of 2) Video Analysis of ME2: Lair of the Shadow Broker


I don't know about you. but every content has a plot hole. movies, books, of course, games. if you think something is wrong in the game, get over it. what will you do? will you fix it by yourself? that's easy to criticize somebody works, huh? 

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archurban wrote...

smudboy wrote...

(1 of 2) Video Analysis of ME2: Lair of the Shadow Broker


I don't know about you. but every content has a plot hole. movies, books, of course, games. if you think something is wrong in the game, get over it. what will you do? will you fix it by yourself? that's easy to criticize somebody works, huh? 


Of cause it is, It is the right of the onlooker - I can easily criticize a painting by Michelangelo without ever having the skills to produce anything similar, If you want your work to be free of criticism then never show it to anybody...

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I love people who review stuff on the internet, are absolutely sure that they have a great sense of humor and everyone actualy laughs when watching those reviews.



Sadly it only works when the said person not only thinks that way but also posses a great sense of humor. My grandma has more wit than you, probobly her wheelchair does.



People who don't really like a game and nitpick over every little moment that doesn't sound right to them finish it, put it back in it's box and let it collect dust... not use hair mods for their feemale Shepard. Yah fail at being baddas.



The DLC was best I played todate, I agree that there are some serious plotholes to be laughed at about in there, biggest and most random one being the Shadow Broker in his own fat and ugly self but you failed at delivering.



Also... 4:27... CERBERBUS? realy? /trollface

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iakus wrote...
The Shadow Broker was sending probes through the relay! Not that I needed any convincing that TIM and Cerberus were idiots, but that pretty much confirmed it. If it wasn't for the whole "selling my corpse to the Collectors" I think I'd rather have worked for him than TIM!

Notice how it says a salvage team recovered the remains of the probes. While they did return, they weren't intact, so it's not like SB was going to send a ship in there anytime soon. And while the SB was stil sending probes, TIM and Cerberus managed to send an entire ship through the relay using the IFF. I fail to see how that makes them idiots.

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iakus wrote...
The Shadow Broker was sending probes through the relay! Not that I needed any convincing that TIM and Cerberus were idiots, but that pretty much confirmed it. If it wasn't for the whole "selling my corpse to the Collectors" I think I'd rather have worked for him than TIM!

Notice how it says a salvage team recovered the remains of the probes. While they did return, they weren't intact, so it's not like SB was going to send a ship in there anytime soon. And while the SB was stil sending probes, TIM and Cerberus managed to send an entire ship through the relay using the IFF. I fail to see how that makes them idiots.


It doesn't matter if the probes were successful.  It matters that the SB tried the simplest of means of gathering intel.  Whereas this was as mission critical Cerberus operation, and they couldn't do something so obvious and basic.

The fact they came back at all raises some questions, like wtf was all that IFF stuff about?  Did the salvage team also go through the relay?  In what manner were these probes destroyed, and what exactly was their mission and location?  How does something return from a place nothing can return from, etc.

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smudboy wrote...
It doesn't matter if the probes were successful.  It matters that the SB tried the simplest of means of gathering intel.  Whereas this was as mission critical Cerberus operation, and they couldn't do something so obvious and basic.

Where was it said that they didn't actually try that?

smudboy wrote...
The fact they came back at all raises some questions, like wtf was all that IFF stuff about?  Did the salvage team also go through the relay?  In what manner were these probes destroyed, and what exactly was their mission and location?  How does something return from a place nothing can return from, etc.

The IFF was about sending a ship through the relay without it getting obliterated the moment it arrives, which apparently happened to the probes (why would the dialogue mention the salvage team only retrieved the remains of the probes otherwise?). While it doesn't explain how they returned, does that really matter? Bioware simply wanted to point out that the SB was trying to get a ship through the relay as well. That's it. Perhaps the SB would eventually manage to accomplish that without an IFF, but all that is irrelevant now. Cerberus was first.

Regarding the salvage team going through the relay: would they bother sending probes if the salvage team itself could go through the relay? Obviously, the salvage team was only retrieving the remains of the probes that returned through the relay.

Modifié par -Draikin-, 25 septembre 2010 - 11:12 .


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-Draikin- wrote...
Where was it said that they didn't actually try that?

Exactly.

smudboy wrote...
The IFF was about sending a ship through the relay without it getting obliterated the moment it arrives, which apparently happened to the probes (why would the dialogue mention the salvage team only retrieved the remains of the probes otherwise?). While it doesn't explain how they returned, does that really matter? Bioware simply wanted to point out that the SB was trying to get a ship through the relay as well. That's it. Perhaps the SB would eventually manage to accomplish that without an IFF, but all that is irrelevant now. Cerberus was first.

The IFF's correct for drift.  No IFF, whatever goes in gets thrown into a black hole or a star.  The Omega-4 relay probes imply such probes went through the relay.  There are comm buoys sitting outside the thing which the Collectors disregarded, so I don't see why they'd suddenlly attack some probes stationed there, especially since they're SB probes.

Bioware did not simply point out the SB was trying to get a ship through the relay as well.  Where are you getting this massive jump in logic?  Perhaps?  No, that's not logic.

Regarding the salvage team going through the relay: would they bother sending probes if the salvage team itself could go through the relay? Obviously, the salvage team was only retrieving the remains of the probes that returned through the relay.

Which still doesn't make any sense.  Thus the non-IFF probes didn't get destroyed via drift, and exited the Omega-4 relay fine.  Somehow, they managed to return, but not before being destroyed (either by the trip going back through, the 2nd time.)  It would be illogical for any opposition to destroy the probes, then send them back through the connecting relay to the Omega-4.

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smudboy wrote...

-Draikin- wrote...
Where was it said that they didn't actually try that?

Exactly.

smudboy wrote...
The IFF was about sending a ship through the relay without it getting obliterated the moment it arrives, which apparently happened to the probes (why would the dialogue mention the salvage team only retrieved the remains of the probes otherwise?). While it doesn't explain how they returned, does that really matter? Bioware simply wanted to point out that the SB was trying to get a ship through the relay as well. That's it. Perhaps the SB would eventually manage to accomplish that without an IFF, but all that is irrelevant now. Cerberus was first.

The IFF's correct for drift.  No IFF, whatever goes in gets thrown into a black hole or a star.  The Omega-4 relay probes imply such probes went through the relay.  There are comm buoys sitting outside the thing which the Collectors disregarded, so I don't see why they'd suddenlly attack some probes stationed there, especially since they're SB probes.

Bioware did not simply point out the SB was trying to get a ship through the relay as well.  Where are you getting this massive jump in logic?  Perhaps?  No, that's not logic.

Regarding the salvage team going through the relay: would they bother sending probes if the salvage team itself could go through the relay? Obviously, the salvage team was only retrieving the remains of the probes that returned through the relay.

Which still doesn't make any sense.  Thus the non-IFF probes didn't get destroyed via drift, and exited the Omega-4 relay fine.  Somehow, they managed to return, but not before being destroyed (either by the trip going back through, the 2nd time.)  It would be illogical for any opposition to destroy the probes, then send them back through the connecting relay to the Omega-4.

Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if the probes got through, then smashed into some of the debris floating around that black hole before they went back through the relay.

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Good review, and hit on the most important stuff.



I also wished that Tela could have been a more Saren type villian, because she was pretty cool.

Dont quite get the reasoning behind the Thane/Feron joke though.

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kregano wrote...
Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if the probes got through, then smashed into some of the debris floating around that black hole before they went back through the relay.


1. Non-IFF probes make it through the Omega-4 relay.
2a. *MAGIC* Rocks and metal are now rubber.
2b. Non-IFF probes smash into debris after exiting relay, but go back in the vector inverted with a possibly lesser magnitude.
2c. *MAGIC* Regular scientific laws resume.
3. Destroyed non-IFF probes remains make it through and exit back into the Terminus System.

:huh:

I can't even believe that if they were IFF probes.

Modifié par smudboy, 26 septembre 2010 - 12:40 .


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Giggles_Manically wrote...

Good review, and hit on the most important stuff.

I also wished that Tela could have been a more Saren type villian, because she was pretty cool.
Dont quite get the reasoning behind the Thane/Feron joke though.


Ever seen a Drell teleport/move so fast you can't see them?

Ever seen two?

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smudboy wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Good review, and hit on the most important stuff.

I also wished that Tela could have been a more Saren type villian, because she was pretty cool.
Dont quite get the reasoning behind the Thane/Feron joke though.


Ever seen a Drell teleport/move so fast you can't see them?

Ever seen two?


You forgot they both wear the same style of clothes, sort of..

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Lizardviking wrote...

smudboy wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Good review, and hit on the most important stuff.

I also wished that Tela could have been a more Saren type villian, because she was pretty cool.
Dont quite get the reasoning behind the Thane/Feron joke though.


Ever seen a Drell teleport/move so fast you can't see them?

Ever seen two?


You forgot they both wear the same style of clothes, sort of..


Maybe it's teleportation clothing!

Or Thane!

Or people are just so daft I have to explain this to them every bloody day because someone couldn't budget a new goddamned character model!

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I'm beginning to think that Drell have an affinity for tight leather clothes. Feron does look very much like Thane. Atleast Kolyat had a different face structure.

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Flies_by_Handles wrote...

I'm beginning to think that Drell have an affinity for tight leather clothes. 


This is relevant to my interests.