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[Maria Caliban]

briskojr wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

Mistersunshine wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

I'd suggest homosexuality doesn't exist in Ferelden

What do you mean?

Being gay is a modern concept, and it doesn't appear to exist in Ferelden.

Er? Modern concept? Histroy would beg to differ Just look at Rome.

Btw, the fact that it exists in the game sorta makes it appear to exist in Feralden.

No, homosexuality does not exist in the setting. Homosexuality is an orientation, not an act. As far as we know, you can't RP a gay person, anymore than you can RP an atheist.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 24 octobre 2009 - 08:54 .

[Jab0r]

You can enter into a romance with someone of the same gender, and presumably eschew all others. That sounds about as homosexual as refusing to enter any church sounds atheist.

Modifié par Jab0r, 24 octobre 2009 - 08:35 .

[Mistersunshine]

Maria, have you read The Calling?

[Maria Caliban]

Jab0r wrote...

You can enter into a romance with someone of the same gender, and presumably eschew all others. That sounds about as homosexual as refusing to enter any church sounds atheist.

Yes, exactly.

Mistersunshine wrote...

Maria, have you read The Calling?

I have not.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 24 octobre 2009 - 08:37 .

[Taltherion]

I can imagine that people in Ferelden would react towards homosexuality in the same way as people in the middle ages ... either one hides one's homesexuality or one risks his life.



That would be a nice mod ... if you play a homosexual, you must keep it hidden - otherwise, all of Ferelden will react in a negative way towards you. The Chantry might even send the Templars.

[AClockworkMelon]

Maria Caliban wrote...

I'd suggest homosexuality doesn't exist in Ferelden, but I do intend to pursue the same-sex romance.

Except it does. Read the fanmade wiki. They provide source links on the page titled 'Sexuality and Marriage,' I believe.

[Baelin Firestorm]

When, in disgrace with Fortune and men's eyes,

I all alone beweep my outcast state,

And trouble deaf heaven with my bootless cries,

And look upon myself and curse my fate,

Wishing me like to one more rich in hope,

Featured like him, like him with friends possessed,

Desiring this man's art, and that man's scope,

With what I most enjoy contented least,

Yet in these thoughts myself almost despising,

Haply I think on thee, and then my state,

Like to the lark at break of day arising

From sullen earth, sings hymns at heaven's gate



For thy sweet love remembered such wealth brings,

That then I scorn to change my state with kings.

[Maria Caliban]

Taltherion wrote...

I can imagine that people in Ferelden would react towards homosexuality in the same way as people in the middle ages ... either one hides one's homesexuality or one risks his life.

Not at all. Fereldens see attraction to the same-sex as unusual, but not evil, amoral, or unnatural.

AClockworkMelon wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

I'd suggest homosexuality doesn't exist in Ferelden, but I do intend to pursue the same-sex romance.

Except it does. Read the fanmade wiki. They provide source links on the page titled 'Sexuality and Marriage,' I believe.

I wrote that article.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 24 octobre 2009 - 08:40 .

[Mistersunshine]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Mistersunshine wrote...

Maria, have you read The Calling?

I have not.

Ah, okay then.  I think that if you read it, you might change your mind.

[briskojr]

Feralden is basically just college, we were simply experimenting ;\\

Modifié par briskojr, 24 octobre 2009 - 08:41 .

[flem1]

briskojr wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

Being gay is a modern concept, and it doesn't appear to exist in Ferelden.

Er? Modern concept? Histroy would beg to differ Just look at Rome.

What about Rome?  There was a stigma on the receiver, but the other side was considered quite commensurate with regular wife-and-kids male sexuality.  Again, other cultures' versions of this stuff often don't map onto modern terms or distinctions.

Anyway, I think Maria is right that "gay" certainly does not exist in Ferelden (or anywhere else before the post-industrial western world), but from reading "The Calling" it seems that "homosexual" may (though not that word).  This strikes me as probably done for the sake of player experience.

[Spaghetti_Ninja]

Herr Uhl wrote...

Maria is being sarcastic.

I can never tell with her, it gives me a headache.

Then again, everybody who spells ''atheist'' as ''athiest'' gives me a headache.

Modifié par Spaghetti_Ninja, 24 octobre 2009 - 08:47 .

[Maria Caliban]

flem1 wrote...
Anyway, I think Maria is right that "gay" certainly does not exist in Ferelden (or anywhere else before the post-industrial western world), but from reading "The Calling" it seems that "homosexual" may (though not that word).  This strikes me as probably done for the sake of player experience.

That's interesting. Was the word used, or did someone identify as homosexual?

Also, was this Ferelden or Orlais?

Spaghetti_Ninja wrote...
Then again, everybody who spells ''atheist'' as ''athiest'' gives me a headache.

Forgive me. Corrected.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 24 octobre 2009 - 08:53 .

[Shattered Shield]

i really cant believe u take these posts serious.

[flem1]

Ah, wait, good point--it was Orlesians. A pair of male Grey Wardens, though obviously Wardens have reasons not to adopt traditional mating habits. I forgot that they're the decadent Froggies.

However, there's an Orlesian companion, isn't there...

Modifié par flem1, 24 octobre 2009 - 08:55 .

[Mystranna Kelteel]

I'm not sure what's trying to be said here. The relationship was between two Orlesians, but it was recognized as "that kind of relationship" by a Fereldan. And for all we know they could have been bisexual, so I'm still confused about the issue here.

And, no, the word "homosexual" was not used to describe them as far as I remember. But I read that aprt 2 days ago, so I think I remember.

Modifié par Mystranna Kelteel, 24 octobre 2009 - 08:59 .

[Maria Caliban]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

I'm not sure what's trying to be said here. The relationship was between two Orlesians, but it was recognized as "that kind of relationship" by a Fereldan. And for all we know they could have been bisexual, so I'm still confused about the issue here.

Prior to the modern world, people didn't identify as gay or homosexual. People might have had relations with members of the same-sex, even exclusively, but this wasn't an orientation. In many cultures, sexual identity was built around active/passive or masculine/feminine, which is why you don’t have as much talk about or restrictions on female same-sex activity as for many that literally was not sex.

I was saying that you couldn't RP as a homosexual anymore than you could RP as an atheist; it's just not a concept that exists in Ferelden.

[Critical Miss]

I'll definitely roll a pretty boy elf for gay romance. He'll say things like "Alistair, you cheese like? Me cheese like eat lots. Let love make."

Gold star if you can understand this.

Modifié par Critical Miss, 24 octobre 2009 - 09:10 .

[Ailith Tycane]

You're either sexual or you're not.

[Mystranna Kelteel]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Oh, I see. On a personal identification basis, yeah, I agree.

Modifié par Mystranna Kelteel, 24 octobre 2009 - 09:11 .

[dewcrowe]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Mistersunshine wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

I'd suggest homosexuality doesn't exist in Ferelden

What do you mean?

Being gay is a modern concept, and it doesn't appear to exist in Ferelden.

Being gay is in no way a "modern concept" throughout history there have been homosexual acts. Just look back to rome dude on dude happened all the time.

[Maria Caliban]

*waits for you to catch up*

[Abel Coyle]

Maria Caliban wrote...

briskojr wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

Mistersunshine wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

I'd suggest homosexuality doesn't exist in Ferelden

What do you mean?

Being gay is a modern concept, and it doesn't appear to exist in Ferelden.

Er? Modern concept? Histroy would beg to differ Just look at Rome.

Btw, the fact that it exists in the game sorta makes it appear to exist in Feralden.

No, homosexuality does not exist in the setting. Homosexuality is an orientation, not an act. As far as we know, you can't RP a gay person, anymore than you can RP an atheist.

Oh wait i see what your saying, so the identifcation is a new thing.. but thats really just semantics. You could still RP that you have a lover as the same sex even if you don't call yourself homosexual.

Modifié par Abel Coyle, 24 octobre 2009 - 09:59 .

[Maria Caliban]

Yes, as I said in my first post, I plan to have a same-sex lover.

I understand that for many it's merely semantics, but I tend to be very serious about RPing. I want my character to view her sexuality and relationships in a way appropriate to the setting.