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I hope it's not Zevron

Modifié par Fenn , 25 octobre 2009 - 01:16 .


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I agree. Going by what they've done in the past the actual act barely features, so I doubt the details really matter.

Toggle hump would lead to a lot of blisters, but I guess anyone using toggle hump that much will have blisters on their hands anyway, haha. ;)

edit: @Fenn - I agree, I hope we get Alistair!

Modifié par kreugan, 25 octobre 2009 - 12:52 .


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Fenn wrote...

I hope it's not Zevron


Who's that some new companion?

I wouldn't mind ZevrAn or Alistair.

Edit: forgot the Image IPB to signify my joking manner.

Modifié par Darthnemesis2, 25 octobre 2009 - 01:23 .


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Jack Anvil wrote...

Oh, well, when I think sex, I think genital-genital penetration. I don't take lesbian "sex" seriously. So I was more implying guy-on-guy stuff.

I don't think you have any idea how many on these boards you just insulted.  I know of at least 5 people who take lesbian sex very "seriously".

Furthermore, I think there's a thing called butt-sex you might want to get aquinted with. I could also probably link to a video that would cause you to lose your stomach contents, but it counts on the "genital" penetration node if you mean penis penetration.

And yes, from what I can tell, that'd hurt more than you can probably imagine right about now.

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I would like to third the "I hope we get Alistair" motion. Zevran's hands are too scary.

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Mordaedil wrote...

Jack Anvil wrote...

Oh, well, when I think sex, I think genital-genital penetration. I don't take lesbian "sex" seriously. So I was more implying guy-on-guy stuff.

I don't think you have any idea how many on these boards you just insulted.  I know of at least 5 people who take lesbian sex very "seriously".

Furthermore, I think there's a thing called butt-sex you might want to get aquinted with. I could also probably link to a video that would cause you to lose your stomach contents, but it counts on the "genital" penetration node if you mean penis penetration.

And yes, from what I can tell, that'd hurt more than you can probably imagine right about now.



There was no offense meant, but, technically, gay sex is not really coitus, per se. Sex requires that the reproductive organs interlock. To turn it into a simile, it's like a keyhole trying to turn another keyhole, or a key trying to penetrate another key. You can put many things in the keyhole, but you aren't going to turn it, and you can put the key in many things, but it's only going to open the lock. See what I'm sayin'?

Sex (the act, not the gender) doesn't really define homosexuality.

And as for losing my stomach contents, I'm not repulsed by gay things. In fact, I act pretty gay in real life. You don't have to be a homophobe to criticize or question some gay conduct, just like you don't need to be atheist to criticize religion.

Modifié par Jack Anvil, 25 octobre 2009 - 01:20 .


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Darthnemesis2 wrote...

Fenn wrote...

I hope it's not Zevron


Who's that some new companion?

I wouldn't mind ZevrAn or Alistair.


yes Zevron the new companion is a zombie kitten.

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Unfortunately, this topic has gone very off the topic of DA:O. If y'all can keep it related to DA:O and not generalize to topics of sexuality in general, it'll stay open. Otherwise, it's best off in Off Topic. Thanks.

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I wouldn't say it's gone off-topic. The thread is about homosexuality in-game, and we're simply defining parameters.

And if I've insulted anyone by speculating as to sexual validity, I apologize.

People in general are always eager to be offended, though.

Modifié par Jack Anvil, 25 octobre 2009 - 01:23 .


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Maria Caliban wrote...

Prior to the modern world, people didn't identify as gay or homosexual. People might have had relations with members of the same-sex, even exclusively, but this wasn't an orientation. In many cultures, sexual identity was built around active/passive or masculine/feminine, which is why you don’t have as much talk about or restrictions on female same-sex activity as for many that literally was not sex.


"Prior to the modern world"? That is a pretty darn broad generalization. I'm assuming you haven't just researched this in European history, or you would have said so :P

And I am pretty sure it is not true, or at least, not true in any sense other than the following trivial observation: of course, no other language has or has ever had a word that translates exactly to our Modern English "gay" or "homosexual", because
there ARE no exact translations between languages, and especially not where cultural practices are concerned. So, sure, no culture where a set of social understandings exactly equivalent to what we mean by "homosexual" existed. But that is true for ANY cultural term. And, of course, what it means to be "gay" or "homosexual" in our culture is hotly contested.

There were certainly cultural practices and categories of people that overlapped substantially with what we understand by "homosexual". For instance, in Indonesia, there's a longstanding tradition around a group of men who identify as "waria" and/or "banci", who adopt female dress and other characteristics and engage in gay sex exclusively. http://www.gaysindonesia.com/ As that website points out, this category is not culturally identical to "gay", but cross-culturally (and cross-temporally) there are no identical equivalents, ever.

So, yeah. I don't think it's useful to say that homosexuality is a modern invention. IMO it would be more accurate to say that homosexual practices and homosexual identity have many forms around the world and have had many forms through time... like all other human practices.

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Jack Anvil wrote...Sex requires that the reproductive organs interlock.


So Bill Clinton DIDN'T have sex with Monica Lewinsky after all :) And the impeachment proceedings were all based on a terrible mistake!

Seriously, if there's one thing I learned from that whole episode, it's that for the most part our culture doesn't agree with your definition of "sex". Which, like all other words in natural language, doesn't have a meaning outside of what the cultural consensus says it means.

Modifié par Srikandi715, 25 octobre 2009 - 01:34 .


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His impeachment proceedings were based on fellatio, lady.
And public opinion doesn't count for much. Back in the 1400's, we used to drown women following the logic that if they floated, they were witches, and if they sank, they were dead, but vindicated. 

Modifié par Jack Anvil, 25 octobre 2009 - 01:37 .


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Jack Anvil wrote...

His impeachment proceedings were based on oral sex, lady.


His impeachment proceedings were based on the truth of his statement that he "did not have sexual relations" with her. The whole thing turns on the question of whether "oral sex" is "sex". Which, by calling it "oral sex", you've pretty much committed to :/

Edit: And now you've replaced "oral sex" in your post to "fellatio". Well done, but too slow ;)

Edit: Woo, an edit/comment war. My point about word meaning is that there is no place other than cultural agreement for word meanings to come from. Language is a social product. It doesn't EXIST outside its community of users.

Modifié par Srikandi715, 25 octobre 2009 - 01:38 .


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Oral sex is a colloquial term, making it irrelevant.

It is a social invention, but there is a right and wrong way to say or define something. Hence, the dictionary.

Modifié par Jack Anvil, 25 octobre 2009 - 01:41 .


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Argumentative troll is argumentative.

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The fact is academics have been arguing about these issues for decades and there are still no definitive answers. I can guarantee you guys that we are not going to settle this debate here, probably not worth stepping on each other's toes about it!

Anyway, back do DA:O -

@Knight of Flowers - what's wrong with his hands?? I've never noticed anything, but I'm sure once you tell me that's all I'll be able to see. ;P

Modifié par kreugan, 25 octobre 2009 - 01:42 .


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We are getting off-topic, though. Kevin might lock this down.

@ flem1:

And thank you, parrot, for justifying your adjective with the same adjective.

Modifié par Jack Anvil, 25 octobre 2009 - 01:46 .


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There are few things more aggravating than someone responding to my comments after a mod has told us to stop discussing the subject.

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Heh... sorry Maria, you can tell me how wrong I am in a PM :) and sorry Kevin, didn't notice your post >< You posted while I was composing.

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I'll tell you something more aggravating: When you wipe, and the toilet paper is so thin that your finger pokes through.

I'm here all week, folks.

Modifié par Jack Anvil, 25 octobre 2009 - 01:54 .


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Srikandi715 wrote...

Heh... sorry Maria, you can tell me how wrong I am in a PM :) and sorry Kevin, didn't notice your post >< You posted while I was composing.


There are few things more aggravating than a mod interrupting a perfectly good, utterly off-topic discussion. What's the use of telling you that you're wrong where no one else can see it?!Image IPB

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Maria Caliban wrote...

Srikandi715 wrote...

Heh... sorry Maria, you can tell me how wrong I am in a PM :) and sorry Kevin, didn't notice your post >< You posted while I was composing.


There are few things more aggravating than a mod interrupting a perfectly good, utterly off-topic discussion. What's the use of telling you that you're wrong where no one else can see it?!Image IPB

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Rofl Maria has a point


now on topic i plan on enjoying every conversation and thinking about every option i have

so to exend that one ill enventualy getting there after ive found my niche

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This post contains nothing of value. It was just clarifying there is no bad blood.

Modifié par Mordaedil, 25 octobre 2009 - 02:02 .


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Maria Caliban wrote...There are few things more aggravating than a mod interrupting a perfectly good, utterly off-topic discussion. What's the use of telling you that you're wrong where no one else can see it?!Image IPB


I am willing to stipulate publically that you win the argument, just because your posts are about a million times more concise than mine! ;)

Perspicuity ftw.

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@ TrollOgerElf





That's reasonable, especially in a new world. Finding a niche would be central before committing to any play style.

For example, many people assume that Morrigan is evil and manipulative, whereas all I've seen and read about her indicates that she is more like the daughter from Dickens' Great Expectations--turned into a cynical man-hater by her bitter mother.

So, it's really hard to judge how one might treat companions at this point. Personally, I see myself sympathizing with Morrigan, but who knows, she could just be a b!tch. And thus the fun of a choice-based game.