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[ShrinkingFish]

So I don't know about you all... but for me, the only way to confirm someone is dead is to actually see their corpse. No corpse? Then it is unwise to simply assume they are dead.

On this note, consider the events at Ostagar, both at the original battle and the semi-triumphant return.

King Cailan clearly died during this battle. His rib cage was crushed, his life blood literally squeezed out of him. His corpse is then again seen on the return, desecrated and claimed as a trophy by the Darkspawn. The whole event in the Return to Ostagar centers heavily around Cailan's corpse. How he died, what happened afterwards, how the Warden's reclaimed the body, giving it a proper funeral and all that. It makes a very very big deal about his body.

This is strange however since for most Wardens, regardless of origin and especially if you have Alistair in your party at the time, the main focus would not necessarily be on the King... but on finding and honoring the corpse of your lost mentor and the man who saved your life... Duncan.

Duncan's body is not involved in the Return to Ostagar in any sense. It is simply gone, missing, vanished entirely. Only his swords remain. And there is no explanation or even mention given to the fact that his remains are missing. Nobody seems to notice.

Furthermore, in the events during the battle of Ostagar, the player does not actually see Duncan's death. It is only implied that it took place and never visually confirmed.

So... as I am a happy little conspiracy theorist, what do you lot think this means? Hmm?

Is this some sneaky plot of the writers to spirit Duncan away for a return somewhere down the line in some form or another? Or is he just dead? Or are they perhaps just keeping their options open? Not necessarily wanting to destroy a potentially useful and incredibly epic character?

Granted, I do not expect a return in DA2... or ever to be perfectly honest. I just can't shake the feeling that there is something more going on there than meets the eye.

[Khayness]

Heroes like Duncan never die, they are just missing in action.

[MKDAWUSS]

Zombified Duncan FTW

[Reaverwind]

ShrinkingFish wrote...

This is strange however since for most Wardens, regardless of origin and especially if you have Alistair in your party at the time, the main focus would not necessarily be on the King... but on finding and honoring the corpse of your lost mentor and the man who saved your life... Duncan.

Duncan's body is not involved in the Return to Ostagar in any sense. It is simply gone, missing, vanished entirely. Only his swords remain. And there is no explanation or even mention given to the fact that his remains are missing. Nobody seems to notice.

Furthermore, in the events during the battle of Ostagar, the player does not actually see Duncan's death. It is only implied that it took place and never visually confirmed.

So... as I am a happy little conspiracy theorist, what do you lot think this means? Hmm?

Even worse, no one seemed to care. What does it mean? Nothing. RtO was nothing more than a badly written Monty Haul run.

[silver-crescent]

It's pretty obvious he'll make a comeback in DA2 or later. You could see that coming from a mile away.

[ShrinkingFish]

Khayness wrote...

Heroes like Duncan never die, they are just missing in action.

Nice. I approve of this post.

[Gilthanis]

Morrigan also comments (when asked) that most of the bodies were either being dragged underground or devoured on the field.

[HopHazzard]

Um... Duncan wasn't the only one whose body was conspicuously absent. Hundreds of people died at Ostagar. None of their bodies were there either. Did they all fake their deaths?

[ShrinkingFish]

Reaverwind wrote...

Even worse, no one seemed to care. What does it mean? Nothing. RtO was nothing more than a badly written Monty Haul run.

Negative Nancy.... =/

[ShrinkingFish]

HopHazzard wrote...

Um... Duncan wasn't the only one whose body was conspicuously absent. Hundreds of people died at Ostagar. None of their bodies were there either. Did they all fake their deaths?

Surprising that a hundred nameless, faceless, characterless individuals weren't included...

I'm just pointing out that of the two main people who died at that battle only one of them was confirmed dead.

[HopHazzard]

ShrinkingFish wrote...

HopHazzard wrote...

Um... Duncan wasn't the only one whose body was conspicuously absent. Hundreds of people died at Ostagar. None of their bodies were there either. Did they all fake their deaths?

Surprising that a hundred nameless, faceless, characterless individuals weren't included...

I'm just pointing out that of the two main people who died at that battle only one of them was confirmed dead.

I'm just saying your only evidence is a missing body, and there were a lot of missing bodies.

[ShrinkingFish]

HopHazzard wrote...

ShrinkingFish wrote...

HopHazzard wrote...

Um... Duncan wasn't the only one whose body was conspicuously absent. Hundreds of people died at Ostagar. None of their bodies were there either. Did they all fake their deaths?

Surprising that a hundred nameless, faceless, characterless individuals weren't included...

I'm just pointing out that of the two main people who died at that battle only one of them was confirmed dead.

I'm just saying your only evidence is a missing body, and there were a lot of missing bodies.

The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence. You have just as much evidence that he is dead as I do that he is alive...

[The Sauce of Awesome]

HopHazzard wrote...

ShrinkingFish wrote...

HopHazzard wrote...

Um... Duncan wasn't the only one whose body was conspicuously absent. Hundreds of people died at Ostagar. None of their bodies were there either. Did they all fake their deaths?

Surprising that a hundred nameless, faceless, characterless individuals weren't included...

I'm just pointing out that of the two main people who died at that battle only one of them was confirmed dead.

I'm just saying your only evidence is a missing body, and there were a lot of missing bodies.

I agree, for all we know, Duncan's body might be missing because the darkspawn have been having their way with his beard. Got it! They shaved his beard off, so he would be unrecognizable to us.

Modifié par Pantsthief, 22 septembre 2010 - 11:27 .

[Mykel54]

The logical option is that, if he is not dead, then he should be a darkspawn, or something like that, like Tamlen was. The fact that there is no body remaining also suggest that the darkspawn might have dragged him to someplace (like tamlen, the body was not found), so yeah i agree that we might not have seen the last of Duncan, otherwise bioware would have just put the corpse and some emotive dialogue in return to ostagar.

[packardbell]

Mr Gaider confirmed that Duncan is dead and if he is to appear in anything then that wold be prior to Origins.

[Gilthanis]

Mykel54 wrote...

The logical option is that, if he is not dead, then he should be a darkspawn, or something like that, like Tamlen was. The fact that there is no body remaining also suggest that the darkspawn might have dragged him to someplace (like tamlen, the body was not found), so yeah i agree that we might not have seen the last of Duncan, otherwise bioware would have just put the corpse and some emotive dialogue in return to ostagar.

Except that Grey Wardens are immune to the Darkspawn taint so he wouldn't become a ghoul like Tamlen.  Plus, we do see Tamlen later on if you're playing through the Dalish Elf story.

Modifié par Gilthanis, 22 septembre 2010 - 11:31 .

[Russalka]

If you don't think he is bound to appear in DA2 then why post it in DA2 forums?

And besides, if he had survived, what explains him not appearing to help the young wardens? Because they SERIOUSLY needed the help.

[The Sauce of Awesome]

Well, if Ser Gaider himself has spoken...guess there's no more Duncan for us!

[ShrinkingFish]

packardbell wrote...

Mr Gaider confirmed that Duncan is dead and if he is to appear in anything then that wold be prior to Origins.

You ruined my thread with facts....

Modifié par ShrinkingFish, 22 septembre 2010 - 11:34 .

[MKDAWUSS]

packardbell wrote...

Mr Gaider confirmed that Duncan is dead and if he is to appear in anything then that wold be prior to Origins.

Kristoff was dead too

[Khayness]

MKDAWUSS wrote...

packardbell wrote...

Mr Gaider confirmed that Duncan is dead and if he is to appear in anything then that wold be prior to Origins.

Kristoff was dead too

Well he is very dead.

But the Spirit of Manliness could occupy the body of Duncan to wreak havoc for a while.

[packardbell]

MKDAWUSS wrote...

packardbell wrote...

Mr Gaider confirmed that Duncan is dead and if he is to appear in anything then that wold be prior to Origins.

Kristoff was dead too

So? I think that quote meant he won't be in anything that proceeds Origins in any shape/form.

[MKDAWUSS]

Khayness wrote...

MKDAWUSS wrote...

packardbell wrote...

Mr Gaider confirmed that Duncan is dead and if he is to appear in anything then that wold be prior to Origins.

Kristoff was dead too

Well he is very dead.

But the Spirit of Manliness could occupy the body of Duncan to wreak havoc for a while.

Exactly. I guess that's one neat thing about DA - anything's possible...

[ErichHartmann]

His body disappeared like a Jedi.

[MKDAWUSS]

Also, I'm sure King Alistair erected a giant statue of Duncan somewhere in Denerim