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[Orbweaver]

Duncan, according to Mr. Gaider, is at peace. Is there some particular reason why the fan base can't seem to leave him there?



Ok. I wanted to see a ghost of his come back and smack some sense into Alistair as much as the next person... alas, my wish was not granted.

[B3taMaxxx]

ShrinkingFish wrote...

So I don't know about you all... but for me, the only way to confirm someone is dead is to actually see their corpse. No corpse? Then it is unwise to simply assume they are dead.

 Is this in game, or reality?

 Duncan was a badass, yes, but I think the legacy he's left outweighs any atempt of a writers talents.

[joriandrake]

Khayness wrote...

Heroes like Duncan never die, they are just missing in action.

then come back as darkspawn or as something even worse

Orbweaver wrote...

Duncan, according to Mr. Gaider, is at
peace. Is there some particular reason why the fan base can't seem to
leave him there?

We want to kill him ourselves.

Modifié par joriandrake, 23 septembre 2010 - 01:44 .

[Onyx Jaguar]

We want to carve off his beard and wear it as our own

[WelshDragon14]

Maybe the Architect took his body and give the blood to the talking Darkspawn. xD

[Onyx Jaguar]

Hell yes

[Amagoi]

I'll admit that I used to be in the group that fervently believed Duncan was still alive somehow. Some of the vagueness around his death always bugged me. However it's possible that they just didn't want to show your mentor die. I'm not really sure,  despite two books I ended up liking Cailin more than I did Duncan.

Still, sometimes people just die deaths that aren't worthy of them. If DG felt it was needed to point out that he was indeed dead, when he could have easily ignored it, it's probably because he felt it was something that needed correcting. With DA:O officially done with Witch Hunt, Duncan isn't coming back. His calling was close anyway.

Even King Maric was just lost at sea, we don't have a body of his despite two books with him as a protagonist. So due to scenes lost on the cutting room floor or just simply moving on. Sometimes we never get that closure that a body brings, but that doesn't mean every time a fictional character dies they'll turn up. Not everybody is as lucky as the Joker.

[B3taMaxxx]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

We want to carve off his beard and wear it as our own

 Speak for yourself, I want his grizzled tan.

[Inside_Joke]

As much as I love 'im, I don't want Duncan pulling a Luthor.



*spoiler-ish*

*If you've see Resident Evil, you know what I mean*

Damn you Sony ..

[MKDAWUSS]

Kileyan wrote...

I'm all for a dead Duncan.

The two main choices seem to either be a dead zombie Duncan, no thanks.

The other choice is an overused trope, Duncan was injured so bad, coma, blah blah, forgot who he was, and has been living as a turnip farmer all these years.

The other more believable thing, is Flemeth saved our sorry ass characters who weren't worth much back then. Why wouldn't she save Duncan? That might work, but it might grow a bit tiresome to have Flemeth involved in every damn thing.

Well, we do see Duncan (or Duncan's likeness) in one post-mortem appearance - the Fade

[Wedger]

Ghola Duncan! Um I mean - Zombie Duncan.

[Saraphial]

I wish people would just let Duncan go already. I was pretty sure I saw somewhere that the devs confirmed that Duncan was indeed dead.



Anywho, there is a huge hole in the theory anyway, obviously Duncan being a righteous and mighty grey warden wouldn't just sulk off after the battle and leave the archdeamon to two new recruits who he thought were most likely dead anyway. Saying such a thing would completely contradict everything we know about Duncan's character.



And please don't try to counter my argument by saying that it all works out because Duncan is obviously Flemeth, Andraste, and/or the OGB.

[MKDAWUSS]

Saraphial wrote...

I wish people would just let Duncan go already. I was pretty sure I saw somewhere that the devs confirmed that Duncan was indeed dead.

Anywho, there is a huge hole in the theory anyway, obviously Duncan being a righteous and mighty grey warden wouldn't just sulk off after the battle and leave the archdeamon to two new recruits who he thought were most likely dead anyway. Saying such a thing would completely contradict everything we know about Duncan's character.

And please don't try to counter my argument by saying that it all works out because Duncan is obviously Flemeth, Andraste, and/or the OGB.

Do the novels make any impact on people's feelings about a possible return? If you take DAO by itself, the prelude characters (read Ostagar) like Cailan and Duncan feel rather underdeveloped for the status positions that they possess, like there's clearly more to the story with those characters.

[Collider]

I felt more for Cailan's death than I did Duncan.

[Coyote Hunter]

Dev will come in here, link to a thread where David Gaider said that he's dead. Four years later, Duncan will be narrator for framed narrative of DA3, Maric will be a secret party member.

[ShrinkingFish]

Amagoi wrote...

I'll admit that I used to be in the group that fervently believed Duncan was still alive somehow. Some of the vagueness around his death always bugged me. However it's possible that they just didn't want to show your mentor die. I'm not really sure,  despite two books I ended up liking Cailin more than I did Duncan.

Still, sometimes people just die deaths that aren't worthy of them. If DG felt it was needed to point out that he was indeed dead, when he could have easily ignored it, it's probably because he felt it was something that needed correcting. With DA:O officially done with Witch Hunt, Duncan isn't coming back. His calling was close anyway.

Even King Maric was just lost at sea, we don't have a body of his despite two books with him as a protagonist. So due to scenes lost on the cutting room floor or just simply moving on. Sometimes we never get that closure that a body brings, but that doesn't mean every time a fictional character dies they'll turn up. Not everybody is as lucky as the Joker.

Is that what happened to Maric?! I have been wondering...

[ShrinkingFish]

Wedger wrote...

Ghola Duncan! Um I mean - Zombie Duncan.

We already know what's at the end of that rabbit hole... and it's.... pretty awesome... but that is besides the point.

Also, while we're on the subject Duncan Idaho = Duncan Epicbeard

[Ortaya Alevli]

Perhaps Flemeth could save Duncan as well, if she wished. Of course, picking up someone amidst a throng of darkspawn might be trickier than taking two fellows off of a tall tower, but Flemeth seems resourceful.

That would be pointless, however... Duncan's presence would significantly reduce the chances of Dark Ritual happening. Maybe he would welcome Morrigan out of necessity, but I can't see him giving Alistair/male Warden permission to proceed with it, and I can't see our own warden being in charge while Duncan is still up and about, either.

At least that's what I would think if I were Flemeth. No need to put the plan in risk by trying to save Duncan.

[ShrinkingFish]

Saraphial wrote...

I wish people would just let Duncan go already. I was pretty sure I saw somewhere that the devs confirmed that Duncan was indeed dead.

Anywho, there is a huge hole in the theory anyway, obviously Duncan being a righteous and mighty grey warden wouldn't just sulk off after the battle and leave the archdeamon to two new recruits who he thought were most likely dead anyway. Saying such a thing would completely contradict everything we know about Duncan's character.

And please don't try to counter my argument by saying that it all works out because Duncan is obviously Flemeth, Andraste, and/or the OGB.

I would never dream of it.

And don't get me wrong. I do, in fact, think Duncan is dead and that the ambiguity was simply a way of emphasising his legend.

However... you do dismiss the notion that he could have suvived but been so wounded as to not show up for the rest of the game... could have happened. Happened to Fergus, remember? Again, not suggesting that this did happen, just that it is not impossible. Also dismissing a possible Tamlen effect. Just saying.

[ShrinkingFish]

Collider wrote...

I felt more for Cailan's death than I did Duncan.

Really? Why is that?

[ShrinkingFish]

B3taMaxxx wrote...

 Is this in game, or reality?

Obviously the most common application of this theory is in works of fiction. Whenever a character is assumed dead but was not witnessed as being dead by one of the other characters the "dead" character almost always makes a return.

However, I do apply some aspects of this philosophy to real life as well. Mostly to do with dealing with enemies. If you do not see the corpse of your enemy then it is foolish to behave as if he is dead. For who knows if he may catch you off guard.

 Duncan was a badass, yes, but I think the legacy he's left outweighs any atempt of a writers talents.

I actually agree with this. Duncan is a much more powerful figure dead than alive. The legacy he left is a heavy one and not easily discarded. This thread among many others are small droplets of proof towards this fact. Honestly, I believe that bringing Duncan back would cheapen his legacy.

Unless, of course, it was done very very well and very very carefully.

[Kail Ashton]

Duncan was a douche in most the origins anyway "ok cousland! i saved you but not before forcing your guts spilling to the floor farther to surrender you into a life of slavery as a warden, now no time to cry boy! you've boots to shine!"



To quote a wise sage "Yes i'm glad he's dead! and i hope he burns in hell!"

[KLUME777]

packardbell wrote...

Mr Gaider confirmed that Duncan is dead and if he is to appear in anything then that wold be prior to Origins.

The fact that Gaider said hes dead makes it all the more jucier when they return him.

Im going to join both sides of this argument.

On one side, i personally think that Hawke will go to Ostagar just after the battle at Lothering, and find a dyeing Duncan who helps him before his last breath. That would mean he is still confirmed dead at Ostagar, but Hawke is there before he dies, but after the battle.

On the other side, if he is dead and gone and not seen again, its good that his body is not in RtO, more realistic and believable, because he was just an unusually good soldier in the battle to the darkspawn. They took most of the bodies away. It makes sense that they left the King, to humiliate him, because he was the king.

[AlexXIV]

Well aside from his body I find it even more remarkable that his armor never showed up. I'd guess that at least some Darkspawn carry it around or even wear it. We even got his sword and dagger which seemed to be of little interest for Darkspawn (since they left it untouched). So question is why do Bioware say 'Duncan is as dead as dead can be' if on the other side they make his body and armor disappear mysteriously.

[Herr Uhl]

AlexXIV wrote...

Well aside from his body I find it even more remarkable that his armor never showed up. I'd guess that at least some Darkspawn carry it around or even wear it. We even got his sword and dagger which seemed to be of little interest for Darkspawn (since they left it untouched). So question is why do Bioware say 'Duncan is as dead as dead can be' if on the other side they make his body and armor disappear mysteriously.

It's all smoke and mirrors man, the man is trying to keep the masses uninformed.

My guess would be that his armor is a unique model and they didn't want to redo it for 5 more models. As Cailan's armor was just a color swap.