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[AntiChri5]

Ieldra2 wrote...

AntiChri5 wrote...

Mondo47 wrote...

I think that while the responses on the dating site are there to satirise the whole pitfalls-of-internet-dating thing, the information given to us gives a much-needed new side to Miranda; one that is a woman with feelings, desires and urges after all, as opposed to an aloof, driven, somewhat arrogant genius.

Thats the side of Miranda i have been missing, one of the main reasons i disliked her so much.

However the whole issue turns out - and I'd certainly hate Bioware if they made her condition irreversible - it has garnered her some sympathy and indeed shown a different side of Miranda that previously was only obvious to those who romanced her.

I do have a character who romanced her (my "choices i would never make" Shepard) and that did light a brief flame. The "and stop smiling dammit" line in particular.

[Mondo47]

Same here - I've done the romance with one of my Shepards, and while I certainly didn't not enjoy the extra facets it gave Miranda, I just felt it could have been handled with a little more depth. It seems very abrupt and perfunctory, where it could tell us more about her character.

[Burdokva]

*facepalm*



Seriously, she's established as very self-centric, self-confident and feeling overly supreme compared to "regular" humans, even to Shepard at the start of Mass Effect 2 (and pretty much throughout it if you keep a purely professional relationship).



It's a gimmick to reinforce all of this. She's so picky she wants to see medical records of potential sex partners before even considering them for such.



As for the medical exam, she's probably incapable of having a baby. Given Mass Effect's tech, in-vitro wouldn't be a problem, but that doesn't mean she wouldn't look for a way to have one the usual way.

[PsyrenY]

Burdokva wrote...
She's so picky she wants to see medical records of potential sex partners before even considering them for such.

I read it less as being picky, and more a situation of her not wanting outside factors (like STDs, genetic conditions etc.) to influence her experiment. It was her attempt to keep the conditions relaatively constant/stable and just see if pure pregnancy was possible.

I too am puzzled as to why she didn't try insemination though (besides that making for a less interesting story.)

Modifié par Optimystic_X, 23 septembre 2010 - 03:27 .

[Kaizer88]

I thought it added alot of depth to her character. The Perfect Woman on the outside isn't so perfect on the inside, or so she feels.



It might also explain why her father had Oriana "made", and why Miranda feels so strongly about her ; she's the only family she'll ever have.

[PsyrenY]

Maybe Oriana IS fertile. That would be an interesting twist.

[syllogi]

Optimystic_X wrote...

Burdokva wrote...
She's so picky she wants to see medical records of potential sex partners before even considering them for such.

I read it less as being picky, and more a situation of her not wanting outside factors (like STDs, genetic conditions etc.) to influence her experiment. It was her attempt to keep the conditions relaatively constant/stable and just see if pure childbirth was possible.

I too am puzzled as to why she didn't try insemination though (besides that making for a less interesting story.)

She was at least working on the Lazarus Project at the time of those logs (thus the SR2 in her screenname), so why would she decide to get pregnant with some random stranger, even if she had checked their medical records?  It makes absolutely no sense, given what we know about Miranda.  She wouldn't sacrifice the project for her own needs, and having a child would be incompatible with heading the project, and once Shepard was revived, being a part of his team to stop the Collectors.   And insemination would make much more sense for that purpose.  She has the means, if she desired to do that.

I interpreted that log as just Miranda wanting to "blow off steam" with a partner who would not have any attachment, or add any complications to her life.  Which is completely okay and valid for a woman to want to do.  I think people want to add more meaning to her dating exploits because JUST wanting sex would make it "dirty".  It's not.

[GodWood]

When I read it I just figured she was looking for casual sex.

Shock horror, women have libidos.

[PsyrenY]

GodWood wrote...

When I read it I just figured she was looking for casual sex.
Shock horror, women have libidos.

Skipped the last entry did you?

TeenZombie wrote...
I think people want to add more meaning to
her dating exploits because JUST wanting sex would make it "dirty". 
It's not.

I didn't say anything even remotely close to that. Project much?

Modifié par Optimystic_X, 23 septembre 2010 - 03:45 .

[GodWood]

Optimystic_X wrote...

GodWood wrote...
When I read it I just figured she was looking for casual sex.
Shock horror, women have libidos.

Skipped the last entry did you?

I saw that as a seperate piece of information irrelevent to the internet dating.

[Homebound]

Since Miranda is a clone of her father...Maybe..She..Isnt a she at all. In the inside. If you get what I mean.



That was my impression.

[jojon2se]

008Zulu wrote...
...As for fertility, creating a retrovirus to allow her to become pregnant would be easy enough for someone who spearheaded the Lazarus project.

She'll just need to get dr.Wilson on the phone and... oh...
;P

[Anacronian Stryx]

Just_mike wrote...

Since Miranda is a clone of her father...Maybe..She..Isnt a she at all. In the inside. If you get what I mean.

That was my impression.

Or perhaps her father created all his "offspring" without the ability to conceive in order control every aspect of "his genes"..he is described as being completely egomaniacal by Miranda after all.

[Mondo47]

Optimystic_X wrote...

I read it less as being picky, and more a situation of her not wanting outside factors (like STDs, genetic conditions etc.) to influence her experiment. It was her attempt to keep the conditions relaatively constant/stable and just see if pure pregnancy was possible.

So you read it as Miranda wanting to try and get pregnant as an experiment to see if it is at all possible without outside influence (meaning technology of some sort)?

[Burdokva]

Optimystic_X wrote...

Burdokva wrote...
She's so picky she wants to see medical records of potential sex partners before even considering them for such.

I read it less as being picky, and more a situation of her not wanting outside factors (like STDs, genetic conditions etc.) to influence her experiment. It was her attempt to keep the conditions relaatively constant/stable and just see if pure pregnancy was possible.

I too am puzzled as to why she didn't try insemination though (besides that making for a less interesting story.)

Where did you get the idea she was trying to get pregnant? Mus there be some sort of hidden connection of every piece of text in games? Having a medical exam about possibility of getting pregnant and just finding a sex partners doesn't have to be related, you know?

Everything about her chat logs hinted she was looking for a casual relationship, but apparently Miranda's qualification of casual has to include an impossibly perfect man. She is, herself, genetically "superior", and can't be bothered by some regular dude.

[Homebound]

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

Just_mike wrote...

Since Miranda is a clone of her father...Maybe..She..Isnt a she at all. In the inside. If you get what I mean.

That was my impression.

Or perhaps her father created all his "offspring" without the ability to conceive in order control every aspect of "his genes"..he is described as being completely egomaniacal by Miranda after all.

Either ways. No baby 4 yuu Miranda!  Sucks to be her.

[syllogi]

Optimystic_X wrote...

GodWood wrote...

When I read it I just figured she was looking for casual sex.
Shock horror, women have libidos.

Skipped the last entry did you?

TeenZombie wrote...
I think people want to add more meaning to
her dating exploits because JUST wanting sex would make it "dirty". 
It's not.

I didn't say anything even remotely close to that. Project much?

Turning the two completely separate entries into a conspiracy to get pregnant is a HUGE stretch.  And I really don't need to project, the prudishness and hypocrisy of people on this forum when it comes to female sexuality is well established.  Why are *you* getting so defensive if that wasn't at all on your mind?

[Xilizhra]

Maybe Miranda was just lonely and wanted some form of companionship?

[PsyrenY]

TeenZombie wrote...

Turning the two completely separate entries into a conspiracy to get pregnant is a HUGE stretch.

You're right, how could I possibly link sex and pregnancy! They have nothing to do with each other!

Did you ever stop to consider that she tried  insemination, it didn't work, and now she is giving intercourse a shot to be certain that the problem is with her and not the sperm bank?

TeenZombie wrote...
And I really don't need to project, the
prudishness and hypocrisy of people on this forum when it comes to
female sexuality is well established.  Why are *you* getting so
defensive if that wasn't at all on your mind?

Sweetheart, I'm as gay as a marching band, I couldn't give a crap about female sexuality. I'm talking about Miranda's behavior as recorded by the Shadow Broker, not women in general.

Modifié par Optimystic_X, 23 septembre 2010 - 05:17 .

[Deviija]

I thought it was juvenile attempts at humor and did nothing favorable for Miranda's characterization.

[Eldareus]

The dossier definately made me more sympathetic to her character. It was clear to me she wanted to have a natural traditional birth with the best possible natural genes she could find. That is until we find out that she herself is not gentically perfect and is unable to have children.

[Pedrak]

As I see it, the dossier was BioWare's way of throwing us a curveball - what seemed an humorous easter egg turned into something rather sad, revealing that this brilliant, attractive woman feels lonely and has troubles relating with other people, and that Miss "genetically created to be perfect" has her physical problems too.

[Boombox]

Maybe she's lonely. She puts up such a cold front and doesn't let anyone get close.

I think she was on the dating website looking for compainonship and when that didn't work out she considered bringing a baby into her life.. which also didn't work out.

[syllogi]

Optimystic_X wrote...

TeenZombie wrote...

Turning the two completely separate entries into a conspiracy to get pregnant is a HUGE stretch.

You're right, how could I possibly link sex and pregnancy! They have nothing to do with each other!

Did you ever stop to consider that she tried  insemination, it didn't work, and now she is giving intercourse a shot to be certain that the problem is with her and not the sperm bank?

Again, that's a HUGE stretch.  Why would she do that, at this point in her career?  She is currently heading a project to raise a person from the dead.  Why would she use such an imprecise and primitive method to attain her goal, if she were actually trying to get pregnant...which she wasn't.  She was using the dating site for sex.  Just sex.

Optimystic_X wrote...

TeenZombie wrote...
And I really don't need to project, the
prudishness and hypocrisy of people on this forum when it comes to
female sexuality is well established.  Why are *you* getting so
defensive if that wasn't at all on your mind?

Sweetheart, I'm as gay as a marching band, I couldn't give a crap about female sexuality. I'm talking about Miranda's behavior as recorded by the Shadow Broker, not women in general.

So being nasty and condescending towards me is supposed to prove that you're liberated and "above" stripping a female character of her agency, just because you're homosexual?  You're not proving anything, except my first point.  You don't think Miranda is capable of JUST having sex for fun.  She is.  That is what she was doing.  Having medical records about her fertility next to proof of that doesn't mean anything.

[Aedan_Cousland]

kraidy1117 wrote...

The infertile thing and the Oriana letter where good, the sex chats where not needed and again hurts her character even more. I lost track of how many people called Miri a shank after this DLC.

I disagree. I think it makes her character more interesting.

I think it is great that there is a LI that isn't sweet and virginal. We've got too many of those already, with Tali & Liara. It would be kind of lame if Miranda was described as being so absorbed in her work that she was sexless, and just waiting for Shepard to come along.

As to the original post...

I don't believe Miranda was using the dating service to get pregnant. She was using it for casual sex, and it isn't related to her inability to get pregnant. I also believe it was going on while she was on the Normandy SR2, since she has SR2 in her login name. Some insecure gamers who want a sweet virginal LI consider this 'cheating,' but they should keep in mind that this happens before Miranda & Shepard are in anything that can be called a relationship.

Modifié par Aedan_Cousland, 23 septembre 2010 - 05:38 .