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[Ieldra]

implodinggoat wrote...
Theory:  Liara Planted Info in Miranda's Dossier

I had the theory that Liara might have planted some of the information in her dossier since I was playing as a male shepard who romanced Miranda in ME2 and had Liara as my love interest in ME1 and picked up my romance with Liara in LOTSB.

Having Miranda looking for random hookups on the extranet and revealing that she can't have children both seem like the sort of things Liara might plant to make Shepard less interested in Miranda.

When I first read it, I thought it was some ploy by someone at Bioware who hated Miranda to make players switch from her to Liara. I'm still not entirely convinced it isn't true.

Regarding Miranda's Extranet Dating
Frankly it seemed out of character for Miranda.  I mean I get that she's a professional and might be looking for some no strings attached sexual release; but if that's the case why wouldn't she just use some of the "sensory interface software (wink, wink, nudge, nudge)" they sell on Illium?

Because it's not the same? I don't think it's out out of character. Aspects of it are, though: the thoroughly curt and businesslike manner is over-the-top, and her username is a joke.  

I mean Miranda wasn't meek and seemed pretty damned confident sexually; but that's a far way off from setting up random hook ups over the extranet.

I say it's better than picking up random guys in a bar. On a dating service, you have a pre-selection, and she did subscribe to the high-end version, so to speak.

The infertility document definitely doesn't seem humorous; but it just seems bizarre that Bioware would choose to make a revelation with such dramatic potential through some random and easily overlooked file in her dossier in an optional piece of DLC.

Indeed. That's why I hope it will come to nothing as a problem one way or the other. 

Modifié par Ieldra2, 24 septembre 2010 - 08:13 .

[Vamp-Willow]

What do you think about the infertility issue?

I'm wondering if the father had something to do with it as a way to control who she sires a child with. If perchance Miranda runs, like she did, then no children for her.

What exactly did Miranda's father do that made her run away?

As to why she ran... well with how controlling and egotistic she said he was I wouldn't be surprise if perchance Miranda found out that her father was planning on Miranda having his child. I actually saw a anime that fallowed this theme... the father thought himself 'perfect' for a normal human, so he created cloned females of himself that had been genetically enhanced to bare his super-perfect children. Would also explain why she took her baby sister.

[netwitbrian]

Okay lets see...From what I read, Miranda was working on the Laz Proj at the time she was looking at dating sites. Not only was she looking at the dating site info, but she was looking at medical info on the men too. All this while working on Shepard. Hmmm, could it be that she wanted/needed the dna from some of these other"perfect" males to help put shepard back together? Miranda did say that shep was put back together with some extra. If she was just "looking" for sex from the dating site, she would of jumped shepard in the beginning (like you can with jack). And I think she might of needed something from her body to help with the rebuilding process of shepard (eggs from her womb maybe?). Then found out she can't have a baby, so she had to go another way to piece shep back together. This is just imo, but playing the game it didn't seem like she would just be one to have random sex. She is mission oriented and wanted the project to worked so using her spy skills, I could see her dating some of these "guys" to get samples of dna. Doesn't mean she had to sleep with any of them. Lots of ways to get dna (just watch CSI). Just my theory...

[AntiChri5]

Mate that is absurd.



Did you read what you just wrote?

[netwitbrian]

yes i did...3 times at least. Why is it absurd?

[AntiChri5]

Because it doesnt make anything even vaguely resembling sense?

[netwitbrian]

I mean this is sci-fi...how else would they build shep back up? Jacob said when he seen shep he was just meat and tubes. You need something to build tissue back up. And considering shep fell back to the planet, he had to have had alot of burn damage falling thru the planet atmosphere so some of his dna would of had to be reconstruted and put back together with other dna's cause of the burn damage. With burn damage it would of affected shep all the way down to cell level so using other dna would of have been needed. Miranda not the type who would just go out an have sex cause if thats the case, then its flip-flop of how her character is in the game. Idk, maybe this is just bioware making a joke...who knows...its just a game after all

[Godeskian]

The stunning lack of understanding of biology and dna gave me a laugh I desperately needed today. Thank you

[Vamp-Willow]

My idea instead of using strangers DNA, remember TIM wanted Shepard back as close to the orginal as possible, so they would use stem cells, from Shepard's body... here's the wiki link and be sure to check out the Key Research Events at the bottom... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stem_cell

If they can do all of this now just imagine what they could do in the ME universe.

[netwitbrian]

Yea...what I just said gave you laugh, but bring a man back from the dead is okay? I think my first statement was "this is sci-fi" I never claim to be a scientist or such. Some of that "understanding" you're laughing about I got from sci-fi books and comics that I just piece together for fun and stuff...like I said "sci-fi" Plus I think I said in a earlier post "my theory". Sorry, I don't have a degree from MIT, its just stuff i piece together.

[netwitbrian]

Vamp-Willow wrote...

My idea instead of using strangers DNA, remember TIM wanted Shepard back as close to the orginal as possible, so they would use stem cells, from Shepard's body... here's the wiki link and be sure to check out the Key Research Events at the bottom... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stem_cell

If they can do all of this now just imagine what they could do in the ME universe.

Right as close as possible, but miranda did say some other pieces too.

[AntiChri5]

Mate, the heart of your entire theory is that Miranda will never want to have sex ever. She can not want what all people are biologically designed to?

[netwitbrian]

AntiChri5 wrote...

Mate, the heart of your entire theory is that Miranda will never want to have sex ever. She can not want what all people are biologically designed to?

No, my theory was that Miranda was using the dating site to screen subjects for similar traits as shepard so she could rebuild him.  Everyone else assume she was using it to have sex.  Im just saying it doesn't seem to be in her character to do that.  When I played the game, Miranda's character was all business. I just thought maybe there was more to it than just the sex thing.  BUT once again imo.  Plus I did say it could just be bioware messing with us...don't really care cause its just a game.

[AntiChri5]

You think she is so "business like" that she does not have a sex drive?



What do we know?



Miranda was on an extranet hookup site



The possible explanations for this are:



She wanted to get pregnant and, because of her fathers methods of creating her will not consider artificial means.



She is harvesting them of genetic material in order to use her eggs to resurrect Shepard (when Cerberus has the methods to procure even entire people they think are genetically interesting) she uses a hookup site to find random guys on the internet.



She wanted sex.

[AntiChri5]

Of those three explenations which is the most and least plausible?

[netwitbrian]

Which ever one bioware wants it to be.

[Caihn]

Most plausible : she wanted to get pregnant

Least plausible : she wanted sex (maybe plausible if it happened during Lazarus project)

(it's only my opinion of course)

Modifié par Yannkee, 24 septembre 2010 - 11:16 .

[Fiery Phoenix]

I really don't see how Miranda would do something like just for casual sex. I'm sure she just wanted to get pregnant and have a child, which somehow never worked out.

[AntiChri5]

Yankee, Pheonix, have you ever heard of Occams Razor?

[Caihn]

In any case, I don't take this dossier seriously.

[Fiery Phoenix]

AntiChri5 wrote...

Yankee, Pheonix, have you ever heard of Occams Razor?

I take it casual sex is Occam's Razor, in this case?

[AntiChri5]

Casual sex is, imo, both simpler and more plausible.



I think that most of us are too biased here.



Possibly even myself.

[Icinix]

Didn't take any of the Dossier's seriously.

Slightly off topic, but I felt ME2 in general had too many 'lets try to stick some joke in here' moments that it didn't really need and in fact damaged the enjoyment factor slightly for me.



As far as the Miranda parts were concerned, I thought the chat notes were her just having a bit of fun at first, treating sex as a recreational activity in the only way she knew how - straight to business and no fuss. After reading the doctor part, seemed like she was obviously trying to get pregnant and wanted to bring a child into the universe that she could give everything she never had. Maybe related to her insecurities, and desperate need to be more than just a tool, have a family that loved her for who she was and not what she was designed to be.



But like I said, didn't put much stock into the dossiers since a lot of them were just there to poke fun.

[Fiery Phoenix]

AntiChri5 wrote...

Casual sex is, imo, both simpler and more plausible.

I think that most of us are too biased here.

Possibly even myself.

Well, probably. I admit Miranda is one of my absolute favorite characters. But regardless, I still don't think casual sex was her reason.

At any rate, like Yannkee remarked, Miranda's dossiers shouldn't be taken so seriously. Not until we get more info on what's going on anyway (whether it be in ME3 or future DLC).

Modifié par FieryPhoenix7, 24 septembre 2010 - 11:38 .

[AntiChri5]

Well, probably. I admit Miranda is one of my absolute favorite characters. But regardless, I still don't think casual sex was her reason.



At any rate, like Yankee remarked, Miranda's dossiers shouldn't be taken so seriously. Not until we get more info on what's going anyway (whether it be in ME3 or future DLC).

It's tricky because of we are all biased, but cant discount our prior knowledge of her character.



I don't think we can simply "dismiss" any "claims" in the game.



This isn't fanfic, but now a part of the game.