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[k9medusa]

kraidy1117 wrote...

The infertile thing and the Oriana letter where good, the sex chats where not needed and again hurts her character even more. I lost track of how many people called Miri a shank after this DLC.

What DLC are we talking about? I am new to the ME universe and looking for more content add ons....

[Caihn]

AntiChri5 wrote...

This isn't fanfic, but now a part of the game.

No it isn't a part of the game, it's a part of the DLC which has been made for Liara fans.

Modifié par Yannkee, 24 septembre 2010 - 11:47 .

[AntiChri5]

Lair of the Shadow Broker.



A very well recieved add on for ME 2 that came out at about the same time as Witch Hunt for DA: O.

[Caihn]

AntiChri5 wrote...

Lair of the Shadow Broker.

A very well recieved add on for ME 2 that came out at about the same time as Witch Hunt for DA: O.

And ?

It doesn't change that it is a DLC, and it is focused on Liara.

[AntiChri5]

No it isn't a part of the game, it's a part of the DLC which has been made for Liara fans.

It is part of an official add on, which makes it canon. And i dont think its fair to say the dlc is "for Liara fans", they are simply the ones who benefited most.

[Caihn]

AntiChri5 wrote...

No it isn't a part of the game, it's a part of the DLC which has been made for Liara fans.

It is part of an official add on, which makes it canon. And i dont think its fair to say the dlc is "for Liara fans", they are simply the ones who benefited most.

It is canon for those who played it. If I have to choose now, I don't think I would include this DLC in my playthroughs.
But now it's too late, and I have to interpret the dossier the best way possible.

Modifié par Yannkee, 24 septembre 2010 - 11:53 .

[Gibb_Shepard]

Yannkee wrote...

AntiChri5 wrote...

This isn't fanfic, but now a part of the game.

No it isn't a part of the game, it's a part of the DLC which has been made for Liara fans.

Oh come on. No matter how much you want miranda to be a fertile woman who dislikes humanities favourite pass time, it's not true. Lair of the shadow broker IS part of Mass effect, a crucial DLC setting you up for ME3. It is not some joke the devs thought we would laugh at.

You are going to have to accept that miranda enjoys the company of many other men and may indeed be infertile; just as liara fans have to accept that liara is no longer an innocent archaeologist and tali fans have to accept that tali likes to play with nerve stims when she's not out killing geth. 

[Fiery Phoenix]

I think I recall reading somewhere that LOTSB will be assumed to have been played in ME3 (that is, if you didn't bother downloading and playing it in ME2).

[AntiChri5]

It is canon for those who played it. If I have to choose now, I don't think I would include this DLC in my playthroughs.

You cant just choose whats canon.



These are facts about the character, declaring them irrelevant just because you dont play it doesnt make it so.



Its like saying that Jack was never experimented on just because you never went to Pragia.

[Nimander]

Indeed. I'm pretty sure that at least some of the stuff in LoSB will be referenced in ME3, play or not. Saying it's not canon because you don't like it is just silly. Reminds me of the weird Avatar fans who threw a fit with the Legend of Korra because it verified that Aang and Katara never broke up.

[Caihn]

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

Yannkee wrote...

AntiChri5 wrote...

This isn't fanfic, but now a part of the game.

No it isn't a part of the game, it's a part of the DLC which has been made for Liara fans.

Oh come on. No matter how much you want miranda to be a fertile woman who dislikes humanities favourite pass time, it's not true. Lair of the shadow broker IS part of Mass effect, a crucial DLC setting you up for ME3. It is not some joke the devs thought we would laugh at.

You are going to have to accept that miranda enjoys the company of many other men and may indeed be infertile; just as liara fans have to accept that liara is no longer an innocent archaeologist and tali fans have to accept that tali likes to play with nerve stims when she's not out killing geth. 

Don't say bull****s.
I never said I refuse to accept Miranda to be infertile. And I accept the fact she could have a sexual life before Sheapard, but not like it has been written in the dossiers.

I liked the conversation between Liara and shepard about Miranda (check my sig), and I liked the conversation between Miranda and her sister. And I hope her infertility is not permanent.
Now for the Idating dossier, I interpret it my way : and to me it's related to her infertility.
But it doesn't change that I don't take this dossier seriously.

Modifié par Yannkee, 24 septembre 2010 - 12:08 .

[Godeskian]

From a narrative viewpoint I'm curious as to how you can say that part x of the dossier isn't serious but part z is. Surely either the dossier is accurate or it isn't

[Ieldra]

Godeskian wrote...
From a narrative viewpoint I'm curious as to how you can say that part x of the dossier isn't serious but part z is. Surely either the dossier is accurate or it isn't

Not if it is inconsistent within itself and with the world.

[Godeskian]

We're on page 7 of a discussion which demonstrates that plenty of people don't find it inconsistant at all, either within the dossier or within Miranda's personality.



I for one don't have any problem accepting that an incredibly high strung professional, who has no other practical source of sexual enjoyement with another person, given that the entire Lazarus cell are her subordinates, might use a dating site to fulfill that need.



You disagree, that's your right.

[Ieldra]

Godeskian wrote...
We're on page 7 of a discussion which demonstrates that plenty of people don't find it inconsistant at all, either within the dossier or within Miranda's personality.

I for one don't have any problem accepting that an incredibly high strung professional, who has no other practical source of sexual enjoyement with another person, given that the entire Lazarus cell are her subordinates, might use a dating site to fulfill that need.

Ah, you misunderstand. I've said it before, I don't have a problem with that part. But how was it presented: in a way that almost made me believe it can't apply to the Miranda Lawson I know - the over-the-top behaviour, the silly username. Yes, it was probably meant to be humorous, but instead it was just out of character.
 
And anyway I was talking more about her infertility...

[Eldareus]

How many sexual encounters did Miranda arrange from the dating site?

[Godeskian]

Ieldra2 wrote...
Ah, you misunderstand. I've said it before, I don't have a problem with that part. But how was it presented: in a way that almost made me believe it can't apply to the Miranda Lawson I know - the over-the-top behaviour, the silly username. Yes, it was probably meant to be humorous, but instead it was just out of character.

Mea culpa for the misunderstanding. Actually, I have a theory about that too. Yes it's over the top and with a silly username. What if it's simply the fact that Miranda has no idea how to behave on a dating site. The fact that she's thinking in terms of medical information suggests that she thinks of the Ipartners site more as a high class craigs-list where she's requesting sex than looking for a traditional date.

As for the username, why not use her own last name (assuming Lawson is in fact her own last name, I have my doubts but that's a different discussion) with the SR2 moniker? It likely wouldn't mean anything to anyone. I use an obscure numerical reference on my email too, and if you happen to be one of the tiny fraction of people who already knows the signifigance of '3500' then sure, you might make a connection.

But no one ever has to date, and I've just got one planet of 6 billion people, not a galaxy with trillions.

We know the Normandy was SR-1, but how many people outside of the alliance office of Shipbuilding and those who served on the Normandy would? If they knew of the Normandy at all it would likely be as the frigate Normandy, not as the SR-1 Normandy.

(please note, I'm well aware that I'm reaching here,  but I'm one of those people who accepts everything that happens in the game as canon, so I have to find a way to reconcile all parts of the document with each other)
 

And anyway I was talking more about her infertility...

I don't know enough about the medical terminology to have an opinion on the actual science, but it's entirely possible that Miranda, being a designer baby herself would want to conceive naturally. Learning that she has no choice but to go in-vitro (or whatever equivalent exists in Mass Effect) could be devastating on someone who would have every reason to hate the way she was created and not wanting to do that.

[evengill]

I don't have the interpretation at all that Miranda had these encounters to "scratch her itch". My impression is that she was looking for someone to father her child. That is quite obviously why she is so focused on the medical records, she want's perfect genes for her offspring. Of course, then she realizes that she is not able to have children...

[PsyrenY]

Aedan_Cousland wrote...

It makes absolute sense for the Shadowbroker to seek to gain intel on the sexual preferences and habits of important people in the galaxy, or potential enemies. Real world intelligence organizations do this as well, as that information can help create a psychological profile, as well as being potentially useful in blackmailing people into cooperation (say for example, threatening to expose a closted gay man) or to set them up for an assassination.

Of course it does. But why then is NOBODY ELSE'S sexual exploits show to us?

The question is not "what is the Shadow Broker recording?" - It is undoubtable that he has far more info on each character than has been shown to us, the players, in the archives. The question is, "Why did the ME writers show us that particular information?"

Remember that a writer can show us any detail of the world he/she chooses. Generally, when the audience is made aware of something, it is going to be relevant later. See also: Chekov's Gun.

[Eldareus]

evengill wrote...

I don't have the interpretation at all that Miranda had these encounters to "scratch her itch". My impression is that she was looking for someone to father her child. That is quite obviously why she is so focused on the medical records, she want's perfect genes for her offspring. Of course, then she realizes that she is not able to have children...

That's how I interpret it as well.

[DrAbysmal]

Eldareus wrote...

How many sexual encounters did Miranda arrange from the dating site?

I think she chatted with four men but only one was deemed acceptable.

[MrnDvlDg161]

It was strange with the whole crazy online handle and the  " Let me see your Medical Records first!" 

But believe it or not, I known proffesional women like this who --- for any number of reasons do not want to marry or be in any way stuck with a relationship/marriage...their just looking for the right genes to have the  " perfect"  child.  Now I for one believe its a path to madness because regardless of whether you can change genes to attempt at making a mortal god, you'll fail because there's just something things you can't replicate and neither do they come from some labratory's beaker... its aiken to the search for the fountain of youth through plastic surgery and chemicals.

I personally think this was one of the Dev's " ha ha ha --- watch this one!"  and it just happens to be Miranda that got what the duck got in terms of screwing with various characters. I wouldn't be laughing so hard however because you never know which one is going to be next or what screwy plot line any one's  " favorite" character will slam into that a 100 fans will go bonkers over.

I didn't feel she was a skank nor did I think less of her --- I actully felt sad for her because she was found to be infertile after all that seeking and searching. It probably devistated the woman in some way and to be juviline and suddenly scream that someone is a ****... well what can I say... as all human's have  A---holes we also have oppinions and some have more quality than others.  You get what you get.

After reading that, Miren Shepard would have went back to the Normandy and wouldn't tell her he knew --- he would just be more respectful and loving of her needs as it changes things in a way.  

HOWEVER... I saw this comming!  The whole  " The LOTSB was fan service for Liara fans!!!"  It was bound to appear on the boards and probably will get worse as people get bored waiting for  ME3 while trashing ME2.  Seriousy --- you can't see where that oppinion comes from? Its an entirely new add on based on Liara and Shepard --- with the  Shadow Broker guy intertwined in it to fit the ongoing plot.  I'm willing to bet the Ashley/Kaiden crowd is ready to sharpen their garden tools and re-light their torches if a DLC isn't expected soon.  Then you also have this sub-plot attack on other characters leaving everything open ended and left to discuss without knowing what will come next in a DLC or ME3. ---- now that right there is some major cruel and unusual punishment..... I'm willing to bet that someone on Bio Ware's team was an ex camp guard in Gitmo.

[Pacifien]

Since this is a discussion for one specific character, it can go in the Characters and Fan Creations forum.

[evengill]

Personally I like the dossiers, I think they do a splendid (if sometimes controversial) and often humorous job of showing additional sides of the characters. Tali's is very well done (it sort of sticks in my mind with the letter to the parents of one of the soldiers who died on her recruitment mission). Garrus hang to poetic justice and his family trouble. And of course, Mirandas' struggle with personal relationships, as shown in the transcript of her conversation with her sister (obviously pulling a file on the guy her sister is interested in etc.). Also the search for partner/inability to conceive naturally made her more vulnerable, and I think, show a very important limitation in her personality, namely that she has the same approach to personal and emotional issues as she has to the research projects she runs for Cerberus. Now that to me is very interesting and says tons about her lack of emotional connection and care at an earlier age...

[Ieldra]

MrnDvlDg161 wrote...
I personally think this was one of the Dev's " ha ha ha --- watch this one!"  and it just happens to be Miranda that got what the duck got in terms of screwing with various characters.

I very much resent that they made her infertile. The other stuff is OK in content, but insulting in style. I resent that as well. I can only repeat: if that's Bioware's idea of humour, they can keep it.

HOWEVER... I saw this comming!  The whole  " The LOTSB was fan service for Liara fans!!!"  It was bound to appear on the boards and probably will get worse as people get bored waiting for  ME3 while trashing ME2.  Seriousy --- you can't see where that oppinion comes from? Its an entirely new add on based on Liara and Shepard --- with the  Shadow Broker guy intertwined in it to fit the ongoing plot.  I'm willing to bet the Ashley/Kaiden crowd is ready to sharpen their garden tools and re-light their torches if a DLC isn't expected soon.  Then you also have this sub-plot attack on other characters leaving everything open ended and left to discuss without knowing what will come next in a DLC or ME3. ---- now that right there is some major cruel and unusual punishment..... I'm willing to bet that someone on Bio Ware's team was an ex camp guard in Gitmo.

I can only say I'm ready to use pitchfork, tar and feathers on the one who cooked up the infertility thing. As if it was not enough to push Liara as the canonical LI for Shepard, no, they had to give a big problem to another other LI and, as if that wasn't enough, insult her with their horrible attempt at humour. Thank you very much. I'm almost tempted to trash the one game where I romanced Liara to spite them.