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[LuxDragon]

PoliteAssasin wrote...

Sounds to me like this thread is full of Miranda fans in denial about her deviancy. What's even more hilarious is that according to the dossier, when you were on illium she was getting together with another guy.

At the end of the day though, it's a video game character. So whats the point of this thread?

-Polite

At the end of the day, it's a video game,so what's the point at all?

The same point as any thread. State your opinions and respect the others. Try it sometime.

Modifié par LuxDragon, 25 septembre 2010 - 09:58 .

[Arijharn]

Even if she was sleeping with other people during the events of ME2, how does that make her a 'deviant?'

[Throw_this_away]

Ieldra2 wrote...

(1) What do you think about the dating service thing?

(2) What do you think about the infertility issue?

(3) Do you think it's all a joke that shouldn't be taken seriously?

I think the Dossier can be read on multiple levels. 

(1) The dating service is a comedic reference to popular culture and dating services as a popular means of meeting people.  There is humor through irony that someone as "hard nosed" as Miranda would be in a dating site.  The Punch line is the fact that her social skills on the dating site are zero... and (presumably) that is still works with guys (given her appearance).  That is a shot at guys.  We really don't care about conversation.... just the end result. 

(2) One could argue that her age of 35 places her in the stereotypical "risk of becoming a spinster" so she is out to meet a guy and get preggers before it is "too late."  This would be the flippant interpretation.   A deeper interpretation reminds us that 35 is 20 or 25 in the future, and that despite her past successes, skills, and confidence... Miranda's forcus as a "career woman" has left her socially inept and alone.  Her harsh exteriour is just a mask for her vulnerability and isolation that she grew up with as a child and which still predominates her inner personality.  Could her own insecurities from childhood have pushed her away from others, with her only solice being the "success" of her role in a covert operations group?    Is she indeed human like the rest of us... wanting to love and be loved?

Also, infertility adds a great amount of interest to her character given her history as being cloned "to be perfect" by her dad.   "Ego" and "legacy" were part of why she resented him.  We now see miranda apparently screening potential mates.  Could it be to get pregnant?  Does she also want the perfect child?  Is she becoming her dad?  Now that she can;t have kids "naturally", will she clone a child like her dad did with her?  An interesting ethical/character dilemma.  

(3) On one level the dossier is a joke, on another it is very deep. 

Modifié par Throw_this_away, 26 septembre 2010 - 02:08 .

[Nightwriter]

Arijharn wrote...

Even if she was sleeping with other people during the events of ME2, how does that make her a 'deviant?'

I'm really not sure. Honestly, I don't think it's that big a deal. I always saw Miranda as pretty independent.

I'm only preoccupied with whether the dating service is connected to the infertility thing or not.

The infertility thing is serious. If the dating service is connected, I'll look at it as kind of sad. If it's not connected I'll have a good laugh.

Modifié par Nightwriter, 26 septembre 2010 - 02:53 .

[Arijharn]

Nightwriter wrote...

Arijharn wrote...

Even if she was sleeping with other people during the events of ME2, how does that make her a 'deviant?'

I'm really not sure. Honestly, I don't think it's that big a deal. I always saw Miranda as pretty independent.

I'm only preoccupied with whether the dating service is connected to the infertility thing or not.

The infertility thing is serious. If the dating service is connected, I'll look at it as kind of sad. If it's not connected I'll have a good laugh.

Honestly, I have to admit to actually liking how it was written. I liked how sudden it made me go from laughing to feeling sad and then wondering if I should feel bad about laughing earlier.

[Nightwriter]

I just felt confused.

When I first saw the iPartners thing I was .

Then I read more and I was .

Then I reached the end and I was .

So many confused feelings.

[Jaron Oberyn]

LuxDragon wrote...

PoliteAssasin wrote...

Sounds to me like this thread is full of Miranda fans in denial about her deviancy. What's even more hilarious is that according to the dossier, when you were on illium she was getting together with another guy.

At the end of the day though, it's a video game character. So whats the point of this thread?

-Polite

At the end of the day, it's a video game,so what's the point at all?

The same point as any thread. State your opinions and respect the others. Try it sometime.

I wasn't being rude, it's just that at the end of the day this thread is irrelevant. The developers already established the type of character that Miranda is. There's no point in your attempts to interpret it several different ways to appease your viewpoint of her, specifically concerning her romance. If you take offense at that, then it's your business. But keep in mind that my statement was never intended to offend.

-Polite

Modifié par PoliteAssasin, 26 septembre 2010 - 03:27 .

[LuxDragon]

You can also say the most threads are irrelevant then. That our opinions aren't heard and won't matter.

I like to think they do.

[Arijharn]

I would like to put forth my opinion to LuxDragon that he should (please hurry up and) finish chapter 30 already



This may not be heard and may not matter though

[Nightwriter]

PoliteAssasin wrote...

LuxDragon wrote...

PoliteAssasin wrote...

Sounds to me like this thread is full of Miranda fans in denial about her deviancy. What's even more hilarious is that according to the dossier, when you were on illium she was getting together with another guy.

At the end of the day though, it's a video game character. So whats the point of this thread?

-Polite

At the end of the day, it's a video game,so what's the point at all?

The same point as any thread. State your opinions and respect the others. Try it sometime.

I wasn't being rude, it's just that at the end of the day this thread is irrelevant. The developers already established the type of character that Miranda is. There's no point in your attempts to interpret it several different ways to appease your viewpoint of her, specifically concerning her romance. If you take offense at that, then it's your business. But keep in mind that my statement was never intended to offend.

-Polite

Well, Lux probably thought your post was rude because it sounds like some "Haha ooh look the Miranda fans are unhappy she's a skank boohoo" remark mixed with a "SPECULATION IS STUPID AND POINTLESS" statement. 

Also the post seems to imply that there aren't multiple interpretations of a character. Or something.

Obviously this is all negated by the fact that you sign everything "-Polite", which probably explains why I was not offended, it would be like if Chip and Dale had said it, and then bowed and tipped their hats and said, "I bid you good day, ma'am. We shall now beg your leave. After you, brother." "Oh, no no, after you!" "Oh please, brother, I insist - "

Modifié par Nightwriter, 26 septembre 2010 - 04:54 .

[LuxDragon]

Funny. Chapter 30 is a 1/3 done now.

[Arijharn]

LuxDragon wrote...

Funny. Chapter 30 is a 1/3 done now.

I did think it was kind of funny. I could however be wrong as it's pointless to speculate.

[Aedan_Cousland]

PoliteAssasin wrote...

Sounds to me like this thread is full of Miranda fans in denial about her deviancy. What's even more hilarious is that according to the dossier, when you were on illium she was getting together with another guy.

What makes Miranda a sexual deviant? The fact that she met someone for casual sex through an online dating service, or is just because she's female? Is male Shepard a sexual deviant if he shags the Asari Consort, Liara or Ashley, and Jack, Kelly, Tali & Miranda? Or does that just make him cool?

Either way Miranda is not in a relationship with Shepard when she sleeps with the other guy. It is hardly cheating, and it happens on Omega, not Illium.

Modifié par Aedan_Cousland, 26 septembre 2010 - 05:19 .

[Arijharn]

Aedan_Cousland wrote...

Either way Miranda is not in a relationship with Shepard when she sleeps with the other guy. It is hardly cheating, and it happens on Omega, not Illium.

This is kinda baffling though, I wouldn't really think that people's medical records could be that stellar if you're on Omega, and if you're going to Omega chances are strong that you'd be doing something somewhat frowned on right?

[Arijharn]

What is that from? I can never remember but I think it's bloody awesome.

[Aedan_Cousland]

Arijharn wrote...

Aedan_Cousland wrote...

Either way Miranda is not in a relationship with Shepard when she sleeps with the other guy. It is hardly cheating, and it happens on Omega, not Illium.

This is kinda baffling though, I wouldn't really think that people's medical records could be that stellar if you're on Omega, and if you're going to Omega chances are strong that you'd be doing something somewhat frowned on right?

People are on Omega for all sorts of reasons. Mostly illegal reasons of course, but not everyone is some backalley cutthroat. Those types probably wouldn't be Miranda's type, so I would bet on NoGames411 being corporate scum and villainy, rather than the low rent variety. That or he's just a member of another fringe group that's frowned upon like Cerberus.

[Nightwriter]

Arijharn wrote...

Aedan_Cousland wrote...

Either way Miranda is not in a relationship with Shepard when she sleeps with the other guy. It is hardly cheating, and it happens on Omega, not Illium.

This is kinda baffling though, I wouldn't really think that people's medical records could be that stellar if you're on Omega, and if you're going to Omega chances are strong that you'd be doing something somewhat frowned on right?

Brings new meaning to her "I feel like I need a shower after coming here" comment, eh? He doesn't sound like a good performer.

In regards to the deviance thing, double standards between male and female promiscuity is old news. People just need to get over the fact that she saw some guys online. Weird people interpret as promiscuity, too. The emails only allude to one sexual encounter.

[Arijharn]

Aedan_Cousland wrote...

Arijharn wrote...

Aedan_Cousland wrote...

Either way Miranda is not in a relationship with Shepard when she sleeps with the other guy. It is hardly cheating, and it happens on Omega, not Illium.

This is kinda baffling though, I wouldn't really think that people's medical records could be that stellar if you're on Omega, and if you're going to Omega chances are strong that you'd be doing something somewhat frowned on right?

People are on Omega for all sorts of reasons. Mostly illegal reasons of course, but not everyone is some backalley cutthroat. Those types probably wouldn't be Miranda's type, so I would bet on NoGames411 being corporate scum and villainy, rather than the low rent variety. That or he's just a member of another fringe group that's frowned upon like Cerberus.

When I was originally made the post I was more thinking along the lines of doing some serious red sand or worse. Those things that someone can do that couldn't turn up on medical's (unless of course, those medicals have to be 'current' within a couple of hours etc)

[Nightwriter]

yorkj86 wrote...

"A key that opens many locks is a good key.  A lock that is opened by many keys is a bad lock."  <_<

Never understood it. It seems to imply penises are keys and vaginas are locks.

I don't understand. Locks can't have orgasms. And keys can't give locks orgasms. The purpose of a lock isn't to have an orgasm and the purpose of a key isn't to give the lock an orgasm. I refuse to have my body parts compared to inanimate objects that can't have orgasms. Also keys never fail to perform at lock insertion. It's just an abysmal analogy all around.

[Aedan_Cousland]

Nightwriter wrote...

Brings new meaning to her "I feel like I need a shower after coming here" comment, eh? He doesn't sound like a good performer.

LOL.  That, or he's Peter North.




 

[Ieldra]

This thread is in serious danger of going off into the tasteless. I recommend not replying any more to dubious analogies and OT references.

Regarding Omega:
It's a place where people live. Not only criminals, but comparatively normal people. Why shouldn't Miranda be able to find a healthy guy to have sex with there? Besides, criminals can be healthy as well, here the question is more if they have a medical record in the first place, and if they have, if you can trust it.

Regarding "deviance":
Who brought that up? I see nothing but a woman who wants a bit of no-strings-attached sex. No hint of anything "deviant".I try to avoid that term anyway, it has a rather unpleasant history.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 26 septembre 2010 - 06:39 .

[Arijharn]

Nightwriter wrote...

yorkj86 wrote...

"A key that opens many locks is a good key.  A lock that is opened by many keys is a bad lock."  <_<

Never understood it. It seems to imply penises are keys and vaginas are locks.

I don't understand. Locks can't have orgasms. And keys can't give locks orgasms. The purpose of a lock isn't to have an orgasm and the purpose of a key isn't to give the lock an orgasm. I refuse to have my body parts compared to inanimate objects that can't have orgasms. Also keys never fail to perform at lock insertion. It's just an abysmal analogy all around.

What really surprises me is that the word 'orgasm' isn't censored. I don't find it offensive but I don't think it's a word that comes up in normal -polite talk amongst the genteel folk etc.

I think it's more to do with the fact that you know, if a key opens many locks it's a master key (you know, a 'stud' ) yet if a lock gets opened by many keys it's a pretty pointless lock (you know, a 'skank'). 

'Also keys never fail to perform at lock insertion' -- no man, even if this is true, wants to be known as impotent. Did you know that if a man looses his testicles due to illness or injury he has a statistically increased likelihood that he'd commit suicide? (And no that isn't pulled out of my ass, although I've seen it in reputable type magazines, I'm sure you can find sources if you can be bothered because honestly at this precise moment, I can't).

[Ieldra]

Nightwriter wrote...
I just felt confused.

When I first saw the iPartners thing I was .

Then I read more and I was .

Then I reached the end and I was .

So many confused feelings.

Exactly. I'm still not sure how I'm supposed take it all, except that the infertility isn't a joke.

BTW, I wonder if Bioware expected the dossier to cause such a confusion and such a generally passionate reception.