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[Killjoy Cutter]

brfritos wrote...

godlike13 wrote...

Does the GPS make him less of a dork? Because i don't care how effective the GPS makes him, i won't roll with that dork <_<.

Please, personality has nothing to do with it. <_<

Next time you tell me you don't roll your missions with Miranda, who gives the squad or 15% more weapon damage or 15% more health, because "you don't like her personality". 

And Jack fans will probably want to kill me, but Jacob's is much more usefull than her, even if you are a Adept.
Or specially because of it.

Well, actually, there are a couple of squadies I tend to leave on the ship because I don't care for their personalities, yes.

[implodinggoat]

Bozorgmehr wrote...

You can't - you'll have to spend 3 points in Shockwave to unlock Pull. It's impossible to max Jack's passive, ammo power and pull.

Unless you mod of course. 

Though frankly even if you do neither Jack or Jacob can hold a candle to Samara even with the Geth Shotgun in their hands.  I mean with Samara you have pull, area reave and throw and she has an assault rifle and an SMG.  And for that mattter Miranda can use slam to set up warp combos and she also has warp, overload, and a passive power which boosts the whole squad's weapon damage.

Having a decent shotgun makes Jacob and Jack more useful than they were; but on hardcore or insanity they're still pretty damned useless simply because their power set sucks.  I mean Grunt is a far better tank than Jacob and he also has incendiary ammo as well as concussive shot and Samara (pull), Jack (pull) or Miranda (Slam) are all better options when it comes to setting up warp combos since the cooldown on Jacob's barrier means that his bonus power undermines his ability to cast pull.  If all you want to do is spam pull then Jack is your best bet; but her slightly faster cooldown hardly makes up for lacking Samara's area reave or Miranda's warp and overload.

Even with a better weapon in their hands though Jack and Jacob are still far and away the most worthless squad members in the game.

PS:  The Geth Shotty is a freaking great weapon for Tali though who is great against any synthetic or shielded organic and an absolute beast against Geth.

[snfonseka]

I think Miranda is the most combat effective team member. But Jacob is not bad either.

[OniGanon]

Too bad Tali needs her loyalty power to be any good, and her loyalty mission is a bit of a low priority if your mission order is dictated by upgrades.



I agree though that she's awesome afterwards.

[godlike13]

brfritos wrote...

godlike13 wrote...

Does the GPS make him less of a dork? Because i don't care how effective the GPS makes him, i won't roll with that dork <_<.

Please, personality has nothing to do with it. <_<

Next time you tell me you don't roll your missions with Miranda, who gives the squad or 15% more weapon damage or 15% more health, because "you don't like her personality". 

And Jack fans will probably want to kill me, but Jacob's is much more usefull than her, even if you are a Adept.
Or specially because of it.

Actually, if i thought Miranda was a dork, even with the 15% more weapon damage or 15% more health i wouldn't roll with her <_<. Luckily though she's awsome .  Jacob on the other hand is a dork IMO, and he doesn't even really offer much in the performance part, so its not like im missing out

Modifié par godlike13, 24 septembre 2010 - 07:03 .

[Killjoy Cutter]

OniGanon wrote...

Too bad Tali needs her loyalty power to be any good, and her loyalty mission is a bit of a low priority if your mission order is dictated by upgrades.

I agree though that she's awesome afterwards.

Attack Drone says to me that she's awesome before that, too. 

[termokanden]

I always thought drone was a poor power for squaddies due to the insanely long cooldown.

It dies so fast on insanity sometimes that you need to be able to resummon it quickly for it to be useful CC.

Modifié par termokanden, 24 septembre 2010 - 11:05 .

[Kronner]

Jacob is average at best IMHO. Samara is a much better choice for nearly all situations. He may have some use for classes that want squad Inferno Ammo, but other than that, there are much better squadmates available.

[termokanden]

But then that is exactly why I consider him useful.



I've brought Jacob along a lot as an adept because I can both have Squad Inferno ammo and some help setting up Warp bombs.

[PD ORTA]

Jacob is a very good squadmate. But many miss the point of him, and simply compare him to Jack and Grunt. If you want the best tank in the game you choose Grunt, if you want a pull-bot you choose Jack... but if you want a tank, with great ammo powers and one of the best biotic powers in pull, you choose Jacob.

He's more versatile than both Grunt and Jack.

[jwalker]

PD ORTA wrote...

Jacob is a very good squadmate. But many miss the point of him, and simply compare him to Jack and Grunt. If you want the best tank in the game you choose Grunt, if you want a pull-bot you choose Jack... but if you want a tank, with great ammo powers and one of the best biotic powers in pull, you choose Jacob.
He's more versatile than both Grunt and Jack.

Agreed.
When rolling my assault sentinel he's always there. Against eclipse, blood pack, blue suns, collectors... The only exception being geth missions.  I even left him unloyal (his barrier sucks) on several occasions. He never died though. Now with LotSB that problem is fixed.

[JaegerBane]

lazuli wrote...

Making thugs think twice about murdering someone in the street by starting a peaceful campaign or delivering pamphlets is about as Paragon as it gets.  I can't believe I'm discussing this.  I thought Garrus was an obvious renegade (remember that renegade does not mean evil, just as paragon does not mean good).  Look at his loyalty mission.  If you go along with what he wants, you end up with renegade points.  If you stop him from killing Sidonis, you get paragon points.  Additionally, paragon interrupts are used to prevent him from taking violent actions.  I'm not arguing that Garrus isn't a good person.

Here, I think you're conflating the traditional Lawful Good mindset with Paragon. Being a Paragon isn't about simply adopting a hyper-pacifist viewpoint and retreating into the mountains to eat vegetables and build your Chi. There's plenty of times where Paragon shepard actually resorts to violence due to the situation demanding it - everything from commiting a fleet to combat ahead of time in order to protect the established government at the cost of his own species all the way down to killing an alien creature due to the harm it intended to a colony. Both Paragon And Renegade sheps use violence - the only difference is that Paragons use it as a last resort (within reason) while Renegades tend to use in place of time or thinking.

I'm not really sure why you're so amazed that you're discussing it. Are you that gobsmacked that someone doesn't share your opinion?

Additionally, this is not the place for this discussion.  Should we take it to the Garrus thread or start a new thread in the appropriate forum?

Feel free to start one over there, and I'll contribute.

[lazuli]

JaegerBane wrote...
Here, I think you're conflating the traditional Lawful Good mindset with Paragon. Being a Paragon isn't about simply adopting a hyper-pacifist viewpoint and retreating into the mountains to eat vegetables and build your Chi. There's plenty of times where Paragon shepard actually resorts to violence due to the situation demanding it - everything from commiting a fleet to combat ahead of time in order to protect the established government at the cost of his own species all the way down to killing an alien creature due to the harm it intended to a colony. Both Paragon And Renegade sheps use violence - the only difference is that Paragons use it as a last resort (within reason) while Renegades tend to use in place of time or thinking.

I'm not really sure why you're so amazed that you're discussing it. Are you that gobsmacked that someone doesn't share your opinion?

I think it's been resolved.  I'm not so egocentric that I can't fathom why anyone would ever disagree with me, but Garrus is a pretty cut and dried renegade.  I've listed my reasons, but here's a link you should check out.  Scroll down to the post written by Patrick Weekes of Bioware.  It's already been brought up, but seeing the text itself might help.

And if you choose to respond, I'll take it to PM.  Sorry for derailing the thread.  Jacob rocks my world with the GPS.

[PrinceLionheart]

Kronner wrote...

Jacob is average at best IMHO. Samara is a much better choice for nearly all situations. He may have some use for classes that want squad Inferno Ammo, but other than that, there are much better squadmates available.

Frankly, the same can be said for other teammates too depending on the playstyle. 

[mosor]

Kronner wrote...

Jacob is average at best IMHO. Samara is a much better choice for nearly all situations. He may have some use for classes that want squad Inferno Ammo, but other than that, there are much better squadmates available.

Perhaps Samara is a better choice in plenty of situations, but you can't get her until post horizon and she can't unlock her loyalty power until after the collector ship mission unless you don't recruit kasumi and Zaeed early game. Besdies, squad incindiary is the best squad power in my opinion for classes that don't have natural ammo powers.For a sentinel, adept, or engineer, Jacob is incrediably useful. For an vanguard or soldier, not very much. Infiltrator, he's a decent option when fighting blood pack and he always has good synergy with miranda, since she has warp to go with his pull.

[cihimi]

I always give Jacob a try...in Freedom's Progress and his loyalty mission. Other than that, I just let him admire himself in the mirror.