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[Darkbreed7]

Well, I always liked the elven race on any fantasy setting. I would like to know if there is any upcoming idea of an expansion (or a sequel) where the elves regain their immortality and break free from their service of humans... Or will they regain some of their kingdom cities? 

[AlexXIV]

Darkbreed7 wrote...

Well, I always liked the elven race on any fantasy setting. I would like to know if there is any upcoming idea of an expansion (or a sequel) where the elves regain their immortality and break free from their service of humans... Or will they regain some of their kingdom cities? 

Well tbh it is their choice to serve humans, they could join the Dalish anytime. So, well, if anyone chooses to serve as a sort of slave before fighting for freedom then that's what they deserve. Whether they can regain their immortality or ever even possessed it (might be a myth) remains to be seen, even though I think it is unlikely. It is said their immortality was tied to their way of life and I don't see how they could get it back again in Thedas. Maybe if they moved to a new continent where they are only among themselves. I am pretty sure Arlathan will be rediscovered some time, if not in DA2 maybe in the future.

[Kusy]

When will the pigs learn to fly?

@AlexXIV
a) >implying Dalish Elves are interested in City Elves joining them.
>implying the Chantry would not react to a massive gathering of elves from all around the realm.

Modifié par Mr.Kusy, 23 septembre 2010 - 03:26 .

[Ortaya Alevli]

AlexXIV wrote...

Darkbreed7 wrote...

Well, I always liked the elven race on any fantasy setting. I would like to know if there is any upcoming idea of an expansion (or a sequel) where the elves regain their immortality and break free from their service of humans... Or will they regain some of their kingdom cities? 

Well tbh it is their choice to serve humans, they could join the Dalish anytime. So, well, if anyone chooses to serve as a sort of slave before fighting for freedom then that's what they deserve. Whether they can regain their immortality or ever even possessed it (might be a myth) remains to be seen, even though I think it is unlikely. It is said their immortality was tied to their way of life and I don't see how they could get it back again in Thedas. Maybe if they moved to a new continent where they are only among themselves. I am pretty sure Arlathan will be rediscovered some time, if not in DA2 maybe in the future.

Most city elves don't even know if Dalish elves exist. I'd guess they live the way the do for the same reasons their real-life counterparts live like that. For the most part, the best they can do is dream of a better life, but they probably don't know what a better life is or how to get it.

[AlexXIV]

Mr.Kusy wrote...

When will the pigs learn to fly?

@AlexXIV
a) >implying Dalish Elves are interested in City Elves joining them.
>implying the Chantry would not react to a massive gathering of elves from all around the realm.

Chantry's gonna get put down in DA2, as it should be

[Darkbreed7]

For me the Dalish look like some outcasts, trying to study their old lore, often unsuccesfully. (Yet, the Keepers have some great powers, that's for sure) Even the "Flatears" and the Dalish could unite, I don't think they could change their way of life. And had their gods abondoned them? Or is there some kind of "essence" or "ancient spirit" that once served them in thier mightiest time? Well, I guess their lore is most uncertain, that's why we couldn't comment clearly...

[Kusy]

AlexXIV wrote...

Mr.Kusy wrote...

When will the pigs learn to fly?

@AlexXIV
a) >implying Dalish Elves are interested in City Elves joining them.
>implying the Chantry would not react to a massive gathering of elves from all around the realm.

Chantry's gonna get put down in DA2, as it should be

Yet again...
>implying majority or even a significant part of the Chantry is stationed in Kirwall of the free marches.

[Wulfram]

City Elves are pretty much screwed. The best they can do is to work on being a rich and successful oppressed minority, rather than a poor one - and even that requires that the government starts offering them the protection of the rule of law, so that their property is not liable to being stolen or destroyed at the whim of local nobles or their human neighbours.



If a City Elf is not willing to abandon the Maker, the god of their fathers and grandfathers, then the Dalish will offer them less freedom than they have in human lands



The Dalish Elves are better off, but their long term future is compromised because their culture is inherently backward looking, and isolation is a built in necessity.

[Darkbreed7]

Well, believing in Maker is another nonsense assimilation to Elves, truely... Well, that's sad to see them like this on any world

[mousestalker]

To answer the OP's question, the elves will rise when they are warm enough with sufficient yeast and a bit of sugar or honey.



Now you know.

[thegreateski]

Considering the setting of DA? Probably never.



The odds of them all being enslaved again are much higher then the odds of them rebuilding their society.

[LobselVith8]

Well, the Dalish do get a new homeland at the end of DA:O, the Hinterlands, as long as they participated against the Blight. It's possible they might venture further south of the Hinterlands into the uncharted territories to expand their homeland. Things can improve for the city elves depending on who you choose to rule, and the Dalish intent to teach the city elves all about the lost lore of their people (even if some of them act nasty to anyone who isn't Dalish, but getting a homeland is likely to change the attitude of plenty of them).

[The Hardest Thing In The World]

The city elves get to be an arl of the alienage in Denerim or give the title to, erm is it Nessiara? I cant remember her name.

[LobselVith8]

The Hardest Thing In The World wrote...

The city elves get to be an arl of the alienage in Denerim or give the title to, erm is it Nessiara? I cant remember her name.

The city elf Warden can either become the First Bann of the Alienage or ask that Shianni be given the title (and in the US ending the Warden's father is made the First Bann). In Awakening, the Warden (regardless of whether he or she is an elf, a mage, or both) can become the new Arl of Amaranthine.

[Darkbreed7]

Well, I wouldn't like to be an Arl on an "ALIEN-age" as an elf...


Yet, I guess the DA lore is not suitable for the Elves breaking free completely.

Modifié par Darkbreed7, 23 septembre 2010 - 07:08 .

[LobselVith8]

Darkbreed7 wrote...

Well, I wouldn't like to be an Arl on an "ALIEN-age" as an elf...


Yet, I guess the DA lore is not suitable for the Elves breaking free completely.

I did hear that the Bann epilogues that were either bugged or they didn't decide to use were pretty dark - things don't go well for the new Bann and the elves of the alienage (Shianni got killed amidst riots, there were riots if the Warden was the new Bann but also prosperity and elves flocking across Thedas to the Denerim Alienage, and worse epilogue slides). However, given the story of Awakening, it's possible the devs decided it didn't work with the Warden becoming the new Arl of Amaranthine and no similiar incidents happening even if the Warden is an elf.

Technically, at the end of DA:O, they do break free: There's a new elven homeland; the Dalish get all of the Hinterlands, up to and including Ostagar.

[Nyaore]

LobselVith8 wrote...

The Hardest Thing In The World wrote...

The city elves get to be an arl of the alienage in Denerim or give the title to, erm is it Nessiara? I cant remember her name.

The city elf Warden can either become the First Bann of the Alienage or ask that Shianni be given the title (and in the US ending the Warden's father is made the First Bann). In Awakening, the Warden (regardless of whether he or she is an elf, a mage, or both) can become the new Arl of Amaranthine.

And if Alistair is king, forget if it depends upon if he is hardened or not, he will also ask the current elder of the Alienage to be a part of his court. (Probably also depends on whether or not you took that ritual at the expense of those elves during the Alienage sequence.) So when you get down to it, the elves in Ferelden are slowly working their way up in society.

[RazorrX]

I know that if you make Anora queen wihtout big Al, then there are riots ans she puts them down forcefully or some such. If Al is on the throne, it was all good for me.



As to when elves rise up? Doubt it will ever happen. As long as the chantry is in power they will never get a chance. The official stance of the chantry is to convert any who do not follow the chant. So unless the elves build a kingdom of chantry worshipers (thus excluding their own culture and the dalish from it all together) the chantry will send in its missionaries.



Now note: The chantry missionaries are armed and believe in 'forceful' conversion if playing nice does not work. IE they will FORCE you to convert or die. (Per the guide book, section on the chantry). Thus any new 'kingdom' of elves would have to become converts to the chant or have another march called.

[Amagoi]

The Elves will rise again the same time as the South does

[Sir JK]

I doubt the elves will rise again... that implies some sort of collective movement which we have seen no evidence of whatsoever (the city elves are seperated in different alienages, most of whom have little communication with each others. The dalish are divided into nomadic clans that keeps moving. There's no united common link (not to mention that the city elves are virtually all followers of the chantry, with varying degrees of secularisation, which wouldn't sit well with the Dalish) so a big nation or world spanning rebellion/revolution is very unlikely.

[nuclearpengu1nn]

in time....

[Werewolf2010]

I agree. Chances are that elves' social statuses differ between countries or even cities, but right now they all remain divided. Even the dalish and city elves draw a line between themselves. Unless their is a real united effort from both and involving the assistance of open minded humans, getting a political say or attempting a revolution will take much longer. I guess it will depend on how far apart DA2's timeline is from DA:O.

[LobselVith8]

RazorrX wrote...

I know that if you make Anora queen wihtout big Al, then there are riots ans she puts them down forcefully or some such. If Al is on the throne, it was all good for me.

As to when elves rise up? Doubt it will ever happen. As long as the chantry is in power they will never get a chance. The official stance of the chantry is to convert any who do not follow the chant. So unless the elves build a kingdom of chantry worshipers (thus excluding their own culture and the dalish from it all together) the chantry will send in its missionaries.

Now note: The chantry missionaries are armed and believe in 'forceful' conversion if playing nice does not work. IE they will FORCE you to convert or die. (Per the guide book, section on the chantry). Thus any new 'kingdom' of elves would have to become converts to the chant or have another march called.

The Hinterlands opens the opportunity for the Dalish to have their autonomy in their own homeland. Given that the Thedas map shows the Hinterlands are beneath Ferelden, I think the prior occupation by Orlais might prevent any armies of Orlais from heading into Ferelden to coerce any of the Dalish into submitting to Orlais or the Chantry.

[nhsk]

There is Rivain, which just outside their capitol have a semi-permanent Dalish encampment. Elves are also more respected in Rivain.



"Its dark-skinned humans, the Rivaini, have a peaceful relationship with the elves. The city of Llomerryn is known to have a semi-permanent Dalish encampment on its outskirts. The qunari settlement of Kont-aar is in northern Rivain.



Unlike the majority of peoples in Thedas, the Rivaini are not Andrastians and don't believe in the Maker. Rather, they are pantheists who believe in the Natural Order. Many, especially in Kont-aar, have also converted to the Qun, as their religion and the Qun are not very contradictory." - from wiki

[Sir JK]

I forsee one big problem with the Dalish in the hinterlands however:



The Chasind and the Avvar live in that area. I'm sure they'll be absolutely thrilled to hear they got new people moving in and taking their land by the orders of some absent king/queen.