Why would they? They excel at poverty.
When will the Elves rise once again?
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#27
Posté 23 septembre 2010 - 08:24
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To the OP:
The methods of oppression employed on the Elves leaves them unlikely to ever rise or even unite.
The fact that each individual City Elf community is almost entirely isolated from any other as well as being heavily and violently policed by the humans of that city makes the uniting of these Elves into a single, powerful force almost entirely impossible.
Furthermore, the life of the Dalish Elves is not one that can reasonably sustain a large enough population to mount any sort of liberation program on their oppressed brethren. As nomadic, clan based, hunter-gatherer societies they are incapable of supporting large populations. There just simply is not a large enough production of food to feed an army.
Life among the Dalish is also very difficult. They live off the land, work hard each and every day from sun up to sun down in an effort to simply survive for that day.
And the fact of the matter is that in order for elves to form a large enough army to liberate their enslaved people they would first have to become an agricultural society, which 1) requires land and 2) requires a larger population. And as the human, Dwarven and Qunari counties occupy or claim all available land within Thedas they would first need the army in order to forcefully take that land for their own use and be able to defend it.
The logistics of an Elven uprising are too complex and too far fetched to ever come to fruition, the systematic oppression of the Elves by humans as well as by the Chantry is too sophisticated to be overcome by any normal means.
And on the subject of Immortality or the Quickening of the Elves as they put it. It is my theory that Elven immortality is and forever will be lost to the Elves and never to be reclaimed. The reason I believe this is because of how the Quickening happened.
Historically the Elves were immortal, but this was only before they encountered the humans. Once the humans of the Tevinter Imperium made contact with the Elves they suddenly began to die of old age. No explanation is given other than the fact that simple contact with the humans caused Elves to begin to age and die.
This follows very closely to Western expansionist and imperialist movement throughout the world, where Westerner's infected native populations with common European diseases which spread like wildfire through the indigenous cultures and wiped out hundreds upon thousands of people.
In light of this I believe that, in the context of Dragon Age, mortality is a disease that is both contagious and hereditary. The Elves had never contracted this disease as it did not exist in their lands, but once the humans brought it to their lands it spread to every man, woman and child throughout their people. These individuals, the first to contract the aging disease, then passed it on to their descendants and so on and so forth, making the entire race mortal.
And there is no cure for mortality.
So in summation and to answer your thread title question directly: Never.
The methods of oppression employed on the Elves leaves them unlikely to ever rise or even unite.
The fact that each individual City Elf community is almost entirely isolated from any other as well as being heavily and violently policed by the humans of that city makes the uniting of these Elves into a single, powerful force almost entirely impossible.
Furthermore, the life of the Dalish Elves is not one that can reasonably sustain a large enough population to mount any sort of liberation program on their oppressed brethren. As nomadic, clan based, hunter-gatherer societies they are incapable of supporting large populations. There just simply is not a large enough production of food to feed an army.
Life among the Dalish is also very difficult. They live off the land, work hard each and every day from sun up to sun down in an effort to simply survive for that day.
And the fact of the matter is that in order for elves to form a large enough army to liberate their enslaved people they would first have to become an agricultural society, which 1) requires land and 2) requires a larger population. And as the human, Dwarven and Qunari counties occupy or claim all available land within Thedas they would first need the army in order to forcefully take that land for their own use and be able to defend it.
The logistics of an Elven uprising are too complex and too far fetched to ever come to fruition, the systematic oppression of the Elves by humans as well as by the Chantry is too sophisticated to be overcome by any normal means.
And on the subject of Immortality or the Quickening of the Elves as they put it. It is my theory that Elven immortality is and forever will be lost to the Elves and never to be reclaimed. The reason I believe this is because of how the Quickening happened.
Historically the Elves were immortal, but this was only before they encountered the humans. Once the humans of the Tevinter Imperium made contact with the Elves they suddenly began to die of old age. No explanation is given other than the fact that simple contact with the humans caused Elves to begin to age and die.
This follows very closely to Western expansionist and imperialist movement throughout the world, where Westerner's infected native populations with common European diseases which spread like wildfire through the indigenous cultures and wiped out hundreds upon thousands of people.
In light of this I believe that, in the context of Dragon Age, mortality is a disease that is both contagious and hereditary. The Elves had never contracted this disease as it did not exist in their lands, but once the humans brought it to their lands it spread to every man, woman and child throughout their people. These individuals, the first to contract the aging disease, then passed it on to their descendants and so on and so forth, making the entire race mortal.
And there is no cure for mortality.
So in summation and to answer your thread title question directly: Never.
Modifié par ShrinkingFish, 24 septembre 2010 - 12:06 .
#28
Posté 23 septembre 2010 - 08:46
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Sir JK wrote...
I forsee one big problem with the Dalish in the hinterlands however:
The Chasind and the Avvar live in that area. I'm sure they'll be absolutely thrilled to hear they got new people moving in and taking their land by the orders of some absent king/queen.
Don't the Avvar tribes reside in the Frostback Mountains? I believe that's where they went when they split from the Alamarri. And the Chasind tribes reside in the Korcari Wilds, beneath the Hinterlands. I don't think there's any reference to the Chasind Wilders or the Avvar tribes residing in the Hinterlands, so the Chasind Wilders would be neighbors to the Dalish in the Hinterlands, as the Korcari Wilds are beneath them.
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Posté 23 septembre 2010 - 08:50
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The only way the elves will rise to a prosperous state again is with humans, not without.
Well, or with the qunari of course. Can't do the whole "Of Wood and Stone" again due to the decline of the dwarves. I guess the dwarves could make some surface colonies with elves living with them...
Well, or with the qunari of course. Can't do the whole "Of Wood and Stone" again due to the decline of the dwarves. I guess the dwarves could make some surface colonies with elves living with them...
#30
Posté 23 septembre 2010 - 08:53
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LobselVith8 wrote...
Sir JK wrote...
I forsee one big problem with the Dalish in the hinterlands however:
The Chasind and the Avvar live in that area. I'm sure they'll be absolutely thrilled to hear they got new people moving in and taking their land by the orders of some absent king/queen.
Don't the Avvar tribes reside in the Frostback Mountains? I believe that's where they went when they split from the Alamarri. And the Chasind tribes reside in the Korcari Wilds, beneath the Hinterlands. I don't think there's any reference to the Chasind Wilders or the Avvar tribes residing in the Hinterlands, so the Chasind Wilders would be neighbors to the Dalish in the Hinterlands, as the Korcari Wilds are beneath them.
Well, the Chasind are close enough for there to be problems. Doesn't really matter, though, the Dalish can just fight them off and even kill off whole Chasind tribes without Fereldan caring too much. Vice versa, too, but the Dalish seem like they'd have the advantage being so tightly grouped together and such.
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Posté 23 septembre 2010 - 08:54
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LobselVith8 wrote...
Don't the Avvar tribes reside in the Frostback Mountains? I believe that's where they went when they split from the Alamarri. And the Chasind tribes reside in the Korcari Wilds, beneath the Hinterlands. I don't think there's any reference to the Chasind Wilders or the Avvar tribes residing in the Hinterlands, so the Chasind Wilders would be neighbors to the Dalish in the Hinterlands, as the Korcari Wilds are beneath them.
Hmm... you might be right. I'm fairly certain there are humans living there though (and if it isn't... then the land is practically uninhabitable)
#32
Posté 23 septembre 2010 - 09:06
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Sylvius the Mad wrote...
Why would they? They excel at poverty.
This. Their only contribution to good society is abjection and service to their betters. While I am prepared to acknowledge some elves have risen above their miserable failings and have the potential to participate in a human world in a slightly less unequal manner, the majority of elves seem utterly incapable of doing so. I shall not speculate as to whether this is congenital or merely brought on by the corruption and foolishness of their elders, nor do I intend to say that elves are inherently less worthy--they just happen to be so, and it takes a keen eye to see that.
I would be the first to celebrate an elf who transcended his or her miserable lot and became someone worth speaking of, but I just cannot see that happening.
#33
Posté 23 septembre 2010 - 09:51
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kill off the elves please. I'm tired of typical fantasy elves leeegolasxxx sephirothxxx nature hippies singing "oh woez is me"
#34
Posté 23 septembre 2010 - 09:53
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Mecha Tengu wrote...
kill off the elves please.
lol. Not happening.
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Posté 23 septembre 2010 - 09:55
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#36
Posté 23 septembre 2010 - 09:58
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Mecha Tengu wrote...
kill off the elves please. I'm tired of typical fantasy elves leeegolasxxx sephirothxxx nature hippies singing "oh woez is me"
DA3 wishlist? ME1 had genocide (the ragnarok or whatever those giant crawfish were). Hell, even in LoTR the elves basically vanished from the world.
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Posté 23 septembre 2010 - 09:59
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DMC12 wrote...
Mecha Tengu wrote...
kill off the elves please. I'm tired of typical fantasy elves leeegolasxxx sephirothxxx nature hippies singing "oh woez is me"
DA3 wishlist? ME1 had genocide (the ragnarok or whatever those giant crawfish were). Hell, even in LoTR the elves basically vanished from the world.
Rachni? And you could choose to save them.
#38
Posté 23 septembre 2010 - 10:05
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Lord_Valandil wrote...
DMC12 wrote...
Mecha Tengu wrote...
kill off the elves please. I'm tired of typical fantasy elves leeegolasxxx sephirothxxx nature hippies singing "oh woez is me"
DA3 wishlist? ME1 had genocide (the ragnarok or whatever those giant crawfish were). Hell, even in LoTR the elves basically vanished from the world.
Rachni? And you could choose to save them.
Ah yeah, that's it... It's been a while since I played ME1 and I foolishly never had a character that saved them/was paragon. But yeah, you can be able to save the elves too if you ever encounter a situation sort of like the Rachni's!
#39
Posté 23 septembre 2010 - 10:09
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It's going to take a long while or an extreme event to get elves back to their feet.
#40
Posté 23 septembre 2010 - 10:10
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elves deserve to die. they are to whiney to survive. just saying.
#41
Posté 23 septembre 2010 - 10:13
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yo bro wrote...
elves deserve to die. they are to whiney to survive. just saying.
agreed. Ethnic cleansing plox
#42
Posté 23 septembre 2010 - 10:13
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Start your own thread.
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#43
Posté 23 septembre 2010 - 10:24
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this is elf survival thread so im saying elves arent going to go anywhere until they get over there hatred toward humans.
#45
Posté 23 septembre 2010 - 10:27
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Lord_Valandil wrote...
Death to all humans.
sure why not, dwarves are the best anyway
#46
Posté 23 septembre 2010 - 10:28
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well they blame humans for everything, i mean it was hard for me to feel sorry for them. maybe city elves alittle.
#47
Posté 23 septembre 2010 - 10:28
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Mecha Tengu wrote...
Lord_Valandil wrote...
Death to all humans.
sure why not, dwarves are the best anyway
Maybe.
But I prefer Nugs.
#48
Posté 23 septembre 2010 - 10:39
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Don't crack a joke. Don't crack a joke. Don't...
Awww, hell. I can't not do it.
"When will the elves rise once again?" Probably after noon, the lazy bums!
Awww, hell. I can't not do it.
"When will the elves rise once again?" Probably after noon, the lazy bums!
Modifié par Mary Kirby, 28 septembre 2010 - 11:31 .
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Posté 23 septembre 2010 - 10:45
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Posté 23 septembre 2010 - 10:49
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