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[dheer]

Saibh wrote...
That page attempted to give me a Trojan virus. Freaking elves.

Well, what do you expect? Damn humans keeping us down.

[Lord_Valandil]

ShrinkingFish wrote...

Maverick827 wrote...

Saibh wrote...

Mary Kirby wrote...

Don't crack a joke. Don't crack a joke. Don't...

Awww, hell. I can't not do it.

"When will the elves rise once again?" Probably after noon, the lazy bums!

[link removed]

That page attempted to give me a Trojan virus. Freaking elves.

Is this sarcasm, or should I fire up Malwarebytes?


The active security on my laptop is terrible and I'm too lazy to install something.

The page legitimately tried to download a trojan virus. I'd run your scans if you opened that page.

Strange. My antivirus said nothing.
Now I'm worried

Modifié par Stanley Woo, 30 septembre 2010 - 10:40 .

[Maverick827]

Malewarebytes scan produces nothing.

[Face of Evil]

ShrinkingFish wrote...

Interbreeding between human and elven parents only produces humans. Even breeding between half-elven humans and elves produces only humans.

That means human genetics would be superior to elven genetics, no matter which way you cut the cake.

I don't think that's how genetics work.

Modifié par Face of Evil, 24 septembre 2010 - 03:15 .

[ZaroktheImmortal]

It would be interesting if they ever could regain their past glory as it were.

[thegreateski]

Face of Evil wrote...

ShrinkingFish wrote...

Interbreeding between human and elven parents only produces humans. Even breeding between half-elven humans and elves produces only humans.

That means human genetics would be superior to elven genetics, no matter which way you cut the cake.

I don't think that's how genetics work.

It's how GENETICS! work.

[ErichHartmann]

The midichlorians in Elves severely declined.

[ShrinkingFish]

Face of Evil wrote...

ShrinkingFish wrote...

Interbreeding between human and elven parents only produces humans. Even breeding between half-elven humans and elves produces only humans.

That means human genetics would be superior to elven genetics, no matter which way you cut the cake.

I don't think that's how genetics work.

There are dominant genes and recessive genes. Dominant genes dominate recessive genes. Human genes are dominant to elven genes and overpower them when intermixed.

If not, the elven genes are hyper adaptive, as it has been said by Gaider himself, meaning they immediatly take on any superior genetic stock from interbreeding in the first generation. A kind of hyper-evolution. That means that elven genes recognize human superiority and so promote those genes to manifest.

In either case, human genetics are established as being greater than elven genetics.

Modifié par ShrinkingFish, 24 septembre 2010 - 03:50 .

[Elvhen Veluthil]

Saying that the elves cannot become something to be proud of isn't true, the Dalish elves are very good fighters and their mages are very powerful. They also have a rich tradition and are accumulating constantly their lost culture. As Duncan says (thanks 000110011 for the quote):



"In fact, some of our greatest heroes have been elven. The Warden Garahel, he that slew the last archdemon, was such a one."



I am not sure about this, but maybe the elves lost their immortality when their gods abandoned them, sealed away by Fen'Harel. If they returned, maybe they would gain back some of their powers.

[Face of Evil]

ShrinkingFish wrote...

There are dominant genes and recessive genes. Dominant genes dominate recessive genes. Human genes are dominant to elven genes and overpower them when intermixed.

If not, the elven genes are hyper adaptive, as it has been said by Gaider himself, meaning they immediatly take on any superior genetic stock from interbreeding in the first generation. A kind of hyper-evolution. That means that elven genes recognize human superiority and so promote those genes to manifest.

My understanding of biology is limited to what I learned in high school, but I'm pretty sure that neither of those scenarios means that human genes are "superior." Dominate genes are not "superior" to recessive genes.

Modifié par Face of Evil, 24 septembre 2010 - 06:52 .

[Lotion Soronarr]

Well, one of the boons you can ask for in DA:O is giving Dalish land.



They can start a fixed, non-nomadic life there, and you can bet that new land is going to be a magnet for all other elves. Basicly a start of a new, small elven kingdom.

[ShrinkingFish]

Face of Evil wrote...

ShrinkingFish wrote...

There are dominant genes and recessive genes. Dominant genes dominate recessive genes. Human genes are dominant to elven genes and overpower them when intermixed.

If not, the elven genes are hyper adaptive, as it has been said by Gaider himself, meaning they immediatly take on any superior genetic stock from interbreeding in the first generation. A kind of hyper-evolution. That means that elven genes recognize human superiority and so promote those genes to manifest.

My understanding of biology is limited to what I learned in high school, but I'm pretty sure that neither of those scenarios means that human genes are "superior." Dominate genes are not "superior" to recessive genes.

I'm playing with semantics. Sorry. I studied Lit in college. I know, by scientific terms, they aren't superior, I was just making a connection between the literal word "dominant" and "superior". Forgive me my quirks?

[LobselVith8]

Sir JK wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

Don't the Avvar tribes reside in the Frostback Mountains? I believe that's where they went when they split from the Alamarri. And the Chasind tribes reside in the Korcari Wilds, beneath the Hinterlands. I don't think there's any reference to the Chasind Wilders or the Avvar tribes residing in the Hinterlands, so the Chasind Wilders would be neighbors to the Dalish in the Hinterlands, as the Korcari Wilds are beneath them.

Hmm... you might be right. I'm fairly certain there are humans living there though (and if it isn't... then the land is practically uninhabitable)

Well, the Hinterlands neighbor Redcliffe and Lothering, and only Redcliffe is still standing as a result of the darkspawn armies marching towards the capital. I'd warrant that the Hinterlands can be given to the Dalish by the ruler of Ferelden because it's not occupied - it's fairly close to the tribes of the Korcari Wilds and the Uncharted Territories.

[Drasanil]

If anything an elven ressurgence will probably come out of Tevinter of all places. Despite the fact that slavery is still legal, they actually have upper class elves, unlike the rest of Thedas and the traditional Chantry is next to non-existant there, so the oppurtunity exists. Not to mention the irony would be rather delicious.



Another possibility is that there are still elves actually living in the ruins of Arlathan, given that people who go looking for it simply tend to disappear as we know from the Black Foxs' codex entry, not to mention the hint that was dropped by Arl Forshadow. Of course by this point they probably have nothing in common with either Dalish or City Elves and may well treat them as badly as humans do, pinning the blame for Arlathan's fall on "inpure weaklings".

[Yaskaleh]

So Arlathan is supposed to be in Arlathan forest? strange as in elven lroe arlathan was situated at the centre of their lands which they say was all of thedas. But Arlathan forest is in the north east, just south of Par Vollen.

[Johnny Pothead]

I think they are like the jews because they are going to wait for another race to give them there own land.

[Drasanil]

Johnny Pothead wrote...

I think they are like the jews because they are going to wait for another race to give them there own land.

Considering Ferelden (guys with the British accents) end up giving lands to the Dalish unless you side with the werewolves, I'd say the comparison is surprisingly apt.

Modifié par Drasanil, 24 septembre 2010 - 04:31 .

[Yaskaleh]

Johnny Pothead wrote...

I think they are like the jews because they are going to wait for another race to give them there own land.

That would be very dull.

[Beerfish]

Take a large quantity of bread dough, add one elf, mix together on high speed, bake in oven at 375 degrees for 20 minutes, don't forget to add the yeast.

[Saibh]

Maverick827 wrote...

Malewarebytes scan produces nothing.

I didn't get a warning until I clicked the rimshot button. It was there though.

[Maverick827]

Saibh wrote...

Maverick827 wrote...

Malewarebytes scan produces nothing.

I didn't get a warning until I clicked the rimshot button. It was there though.

I clicked on the button like ten times.  I even enabled Javascript because I was hearing no sound.

It could have been a false positive, it could have been that a specific banner add had a trojan.

Oh well, I was planning on reformatting soon anyway, so if something goes wrong and I don't feel like fixing it, I'll just nuke everything.  Whatever it is can't be much worse than Microsoft's virus, "Windows Defender," which is using 100% CPU at startup despite being disabled.

I hate computers...

[Soulein]

I'd like to see an elven reclamation of the Dales. The Dalish would need to congregate and form an army, while at the same time enlisting the help of thousands of Alienage Elves for this to be even remotely possible. Such a war would be ugly... ethnic cleansing ugly. Consider also that the Dalish are comprised of the former Nobility of the Dales who would rather wander or die than live under humanity's boot. Any new Elven state would most likely consist of a Dalish Nobility with the vastly more numerous Alienage Elves making up the common class. Needless to say, the lot of Alienage Elves would be far better in an Elven State than what they currently endure. I'd compare the relationship to that of the Patricians and Plebes from the early Roman Republic. Another thought: All Dalish Keepers appear to be mages... could a resurrected Dales come to resemble the Tevinter Imperium?

They could pull it off though, with or without the land being granted to the Dalish in Southern Ferelden. They would need to fight it out with Orlais, and possibly the Chantry, but Ferelden has a pragmatic interest in seeing Orlais lose its eastern lands to the Dalish. First off, it hurts Orlais (I can imagine Loghain cackling in Montsimmard the whole way). Second, it puts a buffer state between Ferelden and the huge Empire it has had a beef with for a while. Lastly, it allows Ferelden to focus on unifying behind its chosen Monarch. 

Modifié par Soulein, 24 septembre 2010 - 07:37 .

[Sir JK]

Soulein wrote...

I'd like to see an elven reclamation of the Dales. The Dalish would need to congregate and form an army, while at the same time enlisting the help of thousands of Alienage Elves for this to be even remotely possible. Such a war would be ugly... ethnic cleansing ugly. Consider also that the Dalish are comprised of the former Nobility of the Dales who would rather wander or die than live under humanity's boot. Any new Elven state would most likely consist of a Dalish Nobility with the vastly more numerous Alienage Elves making up the common class. Needless to say, the lot of Alienage Elves would be far better in an Elven State than what they currently endure. I'd compare the relationship to that of the Patricians and Plebes from the early Roman Republic. Another thought: All Dalish Keepers appear to be mages... could a resurrected Dales come to resemble the Tevinter Imperium?

Assuming they even manage your idea (which is very unlikely) I forseee two big problems:

1. The vast majority of all city elves outside the Tevinter Imperium are andrastians (and the ones in the imperium probably follow the Imperial chantry) or varying degrees of spirituality. The Dalish are not... and some of them even think the city elves abandoned their heritage. It could get real ugly, real quick. A powerful elite having a different religion than an impoverished majority is a recipe for disaster.

2. The Dales have been part of Orlais for 710 years now. Halamshiral is a city within it's borders, and I'd assume Lydes and Verchiel also fall within the Dales' borders. There are humans living there. Lots of them, especially if the Dales is a fertile area.
They live there, their parents lived there and their parents lived there. Most will probably not even be related to the people who fought in the war. Where would they go?

[Soulein]

Sir JK wrote...

Soulein wrote...

I'd like to see an elven reclamation of the Dales. The Dalish would need to congregate and form an army, while at the same time enlisting the help of thousands of Alienage Elves for this to be even remotely possible. Such a war would be ugly... ethnic cleansing ugly. Consider also that the Dalish are comprised of the former Nobility of the Dales who would rather wander or die than live under humanity's boot. Any new Elven state would most likely consist of a Dalish Nobility with the vastly more numerous Alienage Elves making up the common class. Needless to say, the lot of Alienage Elves would be far better in an Elven State than what they currently endure. I'd compare the relationship to that of the Patricians and Plebes from the early Roman Republic. Another thought: All Dalish Keepers appear to be mages... could a resurrected Dales come to resemble the Tevinter Imperium?

Assuming they even manage your idea (which is very unlikely) I forseee two big problems:

1. The vast majority of all city elves outside the Tevinter Imperium are andrastians (and the ones in the imperium probably follow the Imperial chantry) or varying degrees of spirituality. The Dalish are not... and some of them even think the city elves abandoned their heritage. It could get real ugly, real quick. A powerful elite having a different religion than an impoverished majority is a recipe for disaster.

2. The Dales have been part of Orlais for 710 years now. Halamshiral is a city within it's borders, and I'd assume Lydes and Verchiel also fall within the Dales' borders. There are humans living there. Lots of them, especially if the Dales is a fertile area.
They live there, their parents lived there and their parents lived there. Most will probably not even be related to the people who fought in the war. Where would they go?

Ideally, all of the City Elves who follow the Dalish would be seeking to reclaim their lost heritage (or are just in it for a change, or gold, or glory, etc). The devout Andrastians or those who were too attached to the Alienage, would most likely stay put. The Dalish Nobility and Alienage Yeomanry could work as it did in Rome. Essentially it would be a partnership between two classes looking to reclaim a common heritage (the Dalish aren't quite there yet either), with power being spread out among the varying representative bodies as it was in the Republic.

You bring up a really good point about the current human inhabitants of the Dales. Remember when I said the War would be "ugly....ethnic cleansing ugly"? To answer your question, I can see the Elves giving the Humans a chance to leave or be cut down. So, where do they go? Orlesian refugee camps or mass graves is where they would most likely end up. 
 

Modifié par Soulein, 24 septembre 2010 - 07:53 .

[Yaskaleh]

War and territorial take-over/reclamation is a dirty buisness.