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[Jademoon121]

Unless if some very powerful humans who are sympathetic to the elves choose to risk they're position and help the underdogs than no. The chances of the elves coming back are very slim. The Alienage elves live in small, isolated, walled off and impoverished settlements and ghettos scattered all over Thedas and the Dalish wander from place to place, trying to remain a step ahead of templars, bandits and slaver and at the same time trying to reclaim they're forgotten nation. As far as both elves are concerned, they care more about survival than reconstruction.

[AdamNW]

Mr.Kusy wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

Mr.Kusy wrote...

When will the pigs learn to fly?

@AlexXIV
a) >implying Dalish Elves are interested in City Elves joining them.
>implying the Chantry would not react to a massive gathering of elves from all around the realm.

Chantry's gonna get put down in DA2, as it should be

Yet again...
>implying majority or even a significant part of the Chantry is stationed in Kirwall of the free marches.

>Implying a ten year story arc can't lead to the destruction of the Chantry in any possible scenario.

[Vicious]

Never. Humans breed Elves out of existence, and since Humans showed up Elves have been on the ebb. Maybe if Humans were nearly wiped out, then Elves could take the upper hand... but then there's the Qunari, who don't really care for elves to begin with.



So yeah. Never.

[AlexXIV]

Vicious wrote...

Never. Humans breed Elves out of existence, and since Humans showed up Elves have been on the ebb. Maybe if Humans were nearly wiped out, then Elves could take the upper hand... but then there's the Qunari, who don't really care for elves to begin with.

So yeah. Never.

It is funny though that in any fantasy story elves are the ones near extincion and humans are to blame. It is this rl morale atttitude 'Oh no we humans are so bad, we destroy everything'. There might even be a point to it but I would really like to see a fantasy world where it is the other way round for a change.

Modifié par AlexXIV, 28 septembre 2010 - 11:47 .

[LobselVith8]

AlexXIV wrote...

Vicious wrote...

Never. Humans breed Elves out of existence, and since Humans showed up Elves have been on the ebb. Maybe if Humans were nearly wiped out, then Elves could take the upper hand... but then there's the Qunari, who don't really care for elves to begin with.

So yeah. Never.

It is funny though that in any fantasy story elves are the ones near extincion and humans are to blame. It is this rl morale atttitude 'Oh no we humans are so bad, we destroy everything'. There might even be a point to it but I would really like to see a fantasy world where it is the other way round for a change.

I think they did that with the Qunari, who have invaded Thedas before. They either put you in a labor camp if you refuse to convert or force you to convert to the Qun, and they have mages on leashes and at times cut out their tounge if they practice forbidden magic.

[Nerevar-as]

AlexXIV wrote...

Vicious wrote...

Never. Humans breed Elves out of existence, and since Humans showed up Elves have been on the ebb. Maybe if Humans were nearly wiped out, then Elves could take the upper hand... but then there's the Qunari, who don't really care for elves to begin with.

So yeah. Never.

It is funny though that in any fantasy story elves are the ones near extincion and humans are to blame. It is this rl morale atttitude 'Oh no we humans are so bad, we destroy everything'. There might even be a point to it but I would really like to see a fantasy world where it is the other way round for a change.

I think the point is two different groups who need/want the same resources. The stronger wins and takes it all. Elves are not the only ones in Thedas who went through that. Only the ones who came out of it worse.

The way elves are in DA I don´t think they´ll ever have the chance to rise. At least they still have it better than in the Witcher world.

[Lotion Soronarr]

People seem to forget that the elves were rendered homeless before..and given lands before...and created the Dales..and grew powerful enough to sack ValRoyaux.



So I can see how the elves getting their own land can be a start of Dales 2...as long as they don't end the same way.

[Nerevar-as]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

People seem to forget that the elves were rendered homeless before..and given lands before...and created the Dales..and grew powerful enough to sack ValRoyaux.

So I can see how the elves getting their own land can be a start of Dales 2...as long as they don't end the same way.

ValRoyaux? I thought they had sacked a village and then the Chantry used that to curb stomp them with a EM.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Nerevar-as wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

People seem to forget that the elves were rendered homeless before..and given lands before...and created the Dales..and grew powerful enough to sack ValRoyaux.

So I can see how the elves getting their own land can be a start of Dales 2...as long as they don't end the same way.

ValRoyaux? I thought they had sacked a village and then the Chantry used that to curb stomp them with a EM.

They sacked a few villages which started a war with Orlais that lasted a decade. In this war they sacked Val Royaux. The war entered its final stages whe the Exalted March was called, which resulted in outside aid for Orlais which made the Andrastian army strong enough to annihilate the Dales.

[Nerevar-as]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Nerevar-as wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

People seem to forget that the elves were rendered homeless before..and given lands before...and created the Dales..and grew powerful enough to sack ValRoyaux.

So I can see how the elves getting their own land can be a start of Dales 2...as long as they don't end the same way.

ValRoyaux? I thought they had sacked a village and then the Chantry used that to curb stomp them with a EM.

They sacked a few villages which started a war with Orlais that lasted a decade. In this war they sacked Val Royaux. The war entered its final stages whe the Exalted March was called, which resulted in outside aid for Orlais which made the Andrastian army strong enough to annihilate the Dales.

Thanks. You are better informed than I.

Wouldn´t that have been the equivalent of sacking the Vatican?

[LobselVith8]

Nerevar-as wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Nerevar-as wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

People seem to forget that the elves were rendered homeless before..and given lands before...and created the Dales..and grew powerful enough to sack ValRoyaux.

So I can see how the elves getting their own land can be a start of Dales 2...as long as they don't end the same way.

ValRoyaux? I thought they had sacked a village and then the Chantry used that to curb stomp them with a EM.

They sacked a few villages which started a war with Orlais that lasted a decade. In this war they sacked Val Royaux. The war entered its final stages whe the Exalted March was called, which resulted in outside aid for Orlais which made the Andrastian army strong enough to annihilate the Dales.

Thanks. You are better informed than I.

Wouldn´t that have been the equivalent of sacking the Vatican?

Scholars think it was because of territorial disputes between the two. The Orlesian version is that the Dalish started it by attacking the town of Red Crossing; the Dalish version is that after missionaries were tossed out of the Dales for their refusal to convert to the Andrastian Chantry, templars came in. The Dales and Orlais are right next to each other, and they fought. Val Royeaux is in Orlais, since the Chantry was formed by the Orlesian Emperor Kordillus Drakon I.

[red dragon of baldur's]

I would like to see to see a female elf for a romance option. The apperance that I would like to see for her is this na.llnet.bioware.cdn.ea.com/u/f/eagames/bioware/dragonage/assets/media/gallery/wallpapers/downloads/Mage_wallpaper_HD_1920x1080.jpg

[Chuvvy]

They don't have the numbers.

[Koffeegirl]

Hmmm, if the elves did rise again I wonder if there would be conflict between the values of city elves and dalish elves. Would the Dalish invite the City Elves to join them with open arms?



As for what happened with the Dalish I think its a combination of the Orlesian and Dalish version. I think templars came since the Dales wouldn't convert which then caused the Dales to retaliate and then produced the attack on Red Crossing .

[tool_bot]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Nerevar-as wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

People seem to forget that the elves were rendered homeless before..and given lands before...and created the Dales..and grew powerful enough to sack ValRoyaux.

So I can see how the elves getting their own land can be a start of Dales 2...as long as they don't end the same way.

ValRoyaux? I thought they had sacked a village and then the Chantry used that to curb stomp them with a EM.

They sacked a few villages which started a war with Orlais that lasted a decade. In this war they sacked Val Royaux. The war entered its final stages whe the Exalted March was called, which resulted in outside aid for Orlais which made the Andrastian army strong enough to annihilate the Dales.

They did not 'sack' a few villages. There were border disputes and skirmishes which both parties engaged in. It wasn't the elves sneaking into several human villages, kidnapping the youngest child and draining his blood.

[tool_bot]

Koffeegirl wrote...

Hmmm, if the elves did rise again I wonder if there would be conflict between the values of city elves and dalish elves. Would the Dalish invite the City Elves to join them with open arms?

It depends on the tribe. The Dalish from what I saw didn't have one government like the humans did. It was several smaller clans each with it's own Keeper. The keepers might unite and try to invite the other elves in but the Dalish don't have a high opinion of City Elves as is.

[Herr Uhl]

Koffeegirl wrote...

As for what happened with the Dalish I think its a combination of the Orlesian and Dalish version. I think templars came since the Dales wouldn't convert which then caused the Dales to retaliate and then produced the attack on Red Crossing .

This I've wondered. The Dalish claim that they sent templars, but not what they did. I took that as that the missionaries got an escort.

As for the blame, tensions had built up for a long time, and there was little required for it to snap.

[tool_bot]

Nerevar-as wrote...

Wouldn´t that have been the equivalent of sacking the Vatican?

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It'd be the equivalent of attacking Rome.

[tool_bot]

Herr Uhl wrote...

Koffeegirl wrote...

As for what happened with the Dalish I think its a combination of the Orlesian and Dalish version. I think templars came since the Dales wouldn't convert which then caused the Dales to retaliate and then produced the attack on Red Crossing .

This I've wondered. The Dalish claim that they sent templars, but not what they did. I took that as that the missionaries got an escort.

As for the blame, tensions had built up for a long time, and there was little required for it to snap.

But we also know Templars hunt apostates. The first sparks might have come from  Templar going after Dalish mages.

Does anyone know when the Chantry began that practice?

[Koffeegirl]

tool_bot wrote...

Koffeegirl wrote...

Hmmm, if the elves did rise again I wonder if there would be conflict between the values of city elves and dalish elves. Would the Dalish invite the City Elves to join them with open arms?

It depends on the tribe. The Dalish from what I saw didn't have one government like the humans did. It was several smaller clans each with it's own Keeper. The keepers might unite and try to invite the other elves in but the Dalish don't have a high opinion of City Elves as is.

That is true about the different tribes. I wonder if the City Elves would then again be treated like second class citizens even ifthe Elves ever do reacquire their homeland......unless for an interesting twist somehow the City Elves were to rise up and take control over an area? But this would only be possible if they had the number, supplies, and the government of the country  was in a significant disarray.

Edit: what i mean is that city elves would rise against the humans not the Dalish as a twist

Modifié par Koffeegirl, 28 septembre 2010 - 09:25 .

[Herr Uhl]

tool_bot wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

Koffeegirl wrote...

As for what happened with the Dalish I think its a combination of the Orlesian and Dalish version. I think templars came since the Dales wouldn't convert which then caused the Dales to retaliate and then produced the attack on Red Crossing .

This I've wondered. The Dalish claim that they sent templars, but not what they did. I took that as that the missionaries got an escort.

As for the blame, tensions had built up for a long time, and there was little required for it to snap.

But we also know Templars hunt apostates. The first sparks might have come from  Templar going after Dalish mages.

Does anyone know when the Chantry began that practice?

That practice was started along with the chantry. The Dales were given autonomy though, so mages there wouldn't be considered apostates in the same way that a dalish would at the time of origins. They would be more like how they see GW, out of their jurisdiction.

[tool_bot]

Herr Uhl wrote...

tool_bot wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

Koffeegirl wrote...

As for what happened with the Dalish I think its a combination of the Orlesian and Dalish version. I think templars came since the Dales wouldn't convert which then caused the Dales to retaliate and then produced the attack on Red Crossing .

This I've wondered. The Dalish claim that they sent templars, but not what they did. I took that as that the missionaries got an escort.

As for the blame, tensions had built up for a long time, and there was little required for it to snap.

But we also know Templars hunt apostates. The first sparks might have come from  Templar going after Dalish mages.

Does anyone know when the Chantry began that practice?

That practice was started along with the chantry. The Dales were given autonomy though, so mages there wouldn't be considered apostates in the same way that a dalish would at the time of origins. They would be more like how they see GW, out of their jurisdiction.

Well there goes that theory. 

Thanks.

[Herr Uhl]

Well, I'm not totally sure, but it seems unlikely that they'd start sending templars to hunt dalish mages. Could have been why.

[tool_bot]

Herr Uhl wrote...

Well, I'm not totally sure, but it seems unlikely that they'd start sending templars to hunt dalish mages. Could have been why.

I was kinda thinking it might have just been the Templars were there alongside the missionaries and observed some kind of magic the Chantry forbids. Acted a little overzealous, things got out of hand from there. Or maybe the missionary observed something like blood magic and went back with stories about how evil the elves were. Or maybe the evles really didnt want anything to do with humans and eventually just stopped letting missionaries in, adding the Templar story later because of the threat they now pose to Keepers.

[Vandicus]

The elves can't rise simply because its hard for them to breed. I think the dwarves have a similar problem or something as well. Bioware seems to be fond of this method to keep otherwise awesome races from totally dominating their games. (*hints at Krogan domination of the galaxy)