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[kraidy1117]

This reminds me of the Rachni queen choice. People on the old forums where saying it would bite those players in the ass, and guess what happen? People who did save her are going to have a huge advantage because the queen will help us and we now know how the war was caused.

Anyways I rewrited the geth because Shepard is going to need all the help he can get, the Geth at full power would be overkill, yes there might be problems down the road, but you need to focus on the war and to beat the Reapers. Take the risk.

Modifié par kraidy1117, 25 septembre 2010 - 04:29 .

[Zan51]

HazelrahFiver wrote...
I distinctly used the word 'nearly'.  I also used the word 'appropriately', not 'convincingly'.

Hmm.. OK.
Are you a Watership Down fan? I seem to remember your name from there... Hazel, and Fiver, and the Rah suffix for a leader? Nice though.

[Sajuro]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Shandepared wrote...

I blew up the heretics because I was thinking about human interests. In the long run weakening the geth will make it easier for humanity to expand. I make it a policy not to roam around the galaxy strengthening foreign armies.

Shand Shand Shand.

I am disappointed in you.

Clearly Overlord was the means we were waiting for, in Humanity's opportunity to take control of the Geth at some future time after they have fought the Reapers. We are not simply strengthening foreign armies: we are strengthening armies that can one day be ours.

Unless the scientists become indoctrinated in ME3, if they were indeed indoctrinated by the reapers then they could use David to take over computer systems all over the galaxy effectively crippling us.


Humane Treatment ftw

[PWENER]

This reminds me of the "Renegades get nothing" thread. It's true, renegades never get perks or bonuses. Although we Paragades get the real nice playthroughs.

[PWENER]

Sajuro wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Shandepared wrote...

I blew up the heretics because I was thinking about human interests. In the long run weakening the geth will make it easier for humanity to expand. I make it a policy not to roam around the galaxy strengthening foreign armies.

Shand Shand Shand.

I am disappointed in you.

Clearly Overlord was the means we were waiting for, in Humanity's opportunity to take control of the Geth at some future time after they have fought the Reapers. We are not simply strengthening foreign armies: we are strengthening armies that can one day be ours.

Unless the scientists become indoctrinated in ME3, if they were indeed indoctrinated by the reapers then they could use David to take over computer systems all over the galaxy effectively crippling us.


Humane Treatment ftw

Overlord is the most evil thing you can do in ME so far. The Geth don't deserve being controlled like that. Cerberus is becoming the new Sovereign if that works (wich I doubt).

[Moiaussi]

PWENER wrote...

This reminds me of the "Renegades get nothing" thread. It's true, renegades never get perks or bonuses. Although we Paragades get the real nice playthroughs.

I still think that Paragons might get burned on the Thorian. Paragons have had two chances now regarding the Feros survivors, and even though sparing them in ME1 seemed reasonable, there was something going on with them in ME2, and the paragon route is to spare them the extra tests, a choice which might end up a bad one by ME3.

We also still need a counter to indoctrination (something that should have been an ME2 theme!), and better AV for the Geth would be good too, to guard against the Rachni being turned again, and some of all of the Geth turning Heretic when faced with an entire fleet of reapers.

Paragons shouldn't let their guard down any more than Renegades should.

[Sajuro]

Moiaussi wrote...

PWENER wrote...

This reminds me of the "Renegades get nothing" thread. It's true, renegades never get perks or bonuses. Although we Paragades get the real nice playthroughs.

I still think that Paragons might get burned on the Thorian. Paragons have had two chances now regarding the Feros survivors, and even though sparing them in ME1 seemed reasonable, there was something going on with them in ME2, and the paragon route is to spare them the extra tests, a choice which might end up a bad one by ME3.

We also still need a counter to indoctrination (something that should have been an ME2 theme!), and better AV for the Geth would be good too, to guard against the Rachni being turned again, and some of all of the Geth turning Heretic when faced with an entire fleet of reapers.

Paragons shouldn't let their guard down any more than Renegades should.

Think of it this way, if the Rachni and the Geth turn against us somehow, more experience points for the paragons

[HazelrahFiver]

Zan51 wrote...

HazelrahFiver wrote...
I distinctly used the word 'nearly'.  I also used the word 'appropriately', not 'convincingly'.

Hmm.. OK.
Are you a Watership Down fan? I seem to remember your name from there... Hazel, and Fiver, and the Rah suffix for a leader? Nice though.

I sure am ^^
Hazel was the 'hero' of the tale and 'Fiver' was his frightened best friend.  Rah is in fact the suffix for leadership, though I am no way claiming to be such a thing.  I just like the combination, and Hazel and Fiver are taken everywhere I go

[Moiaussi]

Shandepared wrote...

If you decide not to charm or intimidate the Baria Frontiers rep do you have to pass a similar charm/intimidate option with Shiala?

Also I really doubt a small group of isolated Thorian victims, or an even smaller and more dispersed group (of Thorian victims, naturally) will be a serious threat to the galaxy.

Hence them not being treated as such, but I can't help but thinking the same thing I was thinking when we first met the Thorian.... "How did this being survive this long?" Complete imobility is a huge disadvantage, and yet it had not just survived, but had accumulated rather a lot of information. To me, for it to exist at all, it must have some sort of evolutionary ace....

[Nightwriter]

I didn't mind the thorian. I found it interesting. I like how they set up the mystery on Feros, you knew something was wrong with the colonists' behavior but you didn't know what it was. The thorian itself I wanted to keep for study. Alive.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

It's impossible to vote on the Geth poll. The real issue is incredibly more nuanced than the black and white options of "Geth are victims" and "Kill all the Geth."

[Schattenkeil]

I don't know why we have to discuss this. The game is designed to give you a set of choices, and while every choice has its consequences every choice is viable in the end. It's not like a few Renegade points were a disadvantage. It's not like you were doomed to make only choices you get heroic points for even if you play a heroic character. That's not what choice is about.

"I need you to know something. I'm Sharon, but I'm a different Sharon. I know who I am. I don't have hidden protocols or programs lying in wait to be activated. I make my own choices. I make my own decisions and I need you to know that this is my choice" - Caprica Sharon (later Athena) - Battlestar Galactica

Modifié par Schattenkeil, 25 septembre 2010 - 08:26 .

[elearon1]

I don't tend to play my Shepard as a person sitting behind a computer screen with ultimately no emotional baggage, I play her as an individual who has seen some horrible things, made horrible decisions, and lives with those every day. She saw the Geth kill thousands of humans and other council races in ME1 and parts of ME2; she saw them kill men under her command and destroy human settlements in an attempt to eradicate all biological life in the Galaxy. There is no part of her that is going to sit back and logically balance "hmmm, maybe they can turn over a new leaf and if we give them a chance they might just prove themselves friendly ...". To hell with that, given a chance she will always put down a Geth - the only reason she took Legion into custody was so they could examine it. She never trusted it, never believed in it, never considered rewriting when destruction was an option.



Let the politicians and philosophers debate the matter from the comfort of their safe little offices, where - if I'm doing my job right - they will never have to see their friends and family gunned down by fanatical killer robots. History may judge a soldier harshly - but few historians man the front lines during wartime. (Thucydides withstanding)

[Doctoglethorpe]

irl, i would of destroyed them.  i wouldnt of even trusted legion in the first place and would of assumed the whole thing was a trap as any intelligent person should.

mass effect is not real life however.  its a game and we all knew about legion before we even encountered him, we all knew he was a legit squad member so there was no reason to not believe what he said. 

blame marketing i guess.  had i known nothing about him and actually been suprised by his appearence, i probably wouldn't of trusted him or believed what he said.  would of been cool for bioware to try to trick us like that, but thanks to all the publicity fort he game we already knew what he was all about liek i said, so there way no reason not to trust him. 

speaking of which, im going to lock myself in a hyperbolic time chamber and not feast upon a single morsel of ME3 news before i play the game so as to actually be suprised by a bunch of thigns.  i knew way to much about ME2 before playing it, like teh return of garrus or legion's role or even shepards death at the very begenning.  as cool of moments as they were, having expected them to happen ruined the suprise i felt they were intended to instill.  i dont wanna maket he same mistake for ME3. 

[Zan51]

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I sure am ^^
Hazel was the 'hero' of the tale and 'Fiver' was his frightened best friend.  Rah is in fact the suffix for leadership, though I am no way claiming to be such a thing.  I just like the combination, and Hazel and Fiver are taken everywhere I go

[/quote]

The book was very good, and the film not too bad actually. It had very dark moments in it. I remember Fiver, wasn't he something of a seer too, and foresaw some of the fighting? I forget the exact details but I remember Fiver quivering a lot, poor little mite.
Yeah we all have our favorite forum names, though I didn't use my Egyptian one here. Thought it a little out of time for 22nd C. SF game.

Sorry for the OT, guys.

[elearon1]

Watership Down was one of my favorite books of all time. I first read it in 4th grade, the school wouldn't let me check it out because they didn't feel I was old enough, so I had to use the town library instead ... apparently the school though I should be reading Nancy Drew or something. (Not to rag on Nancy, I never read her - though I enjoyed some of her predicessors like Ginny Gordon)



At any rate, Watership Down awesomeness aside, I thankfully new very little about ME2 when I picked it up. I knew about the death scene in the beginning - it was almost impossible to look up the game on any website and not see it mentioned - but I only new Legion as a rumor and Garrus was a complete surprise.



I did know Tali was there, in fact went out of my way to determine if that was true, because I always loved her, but a good number of secrets were still dark for me when I started playing. I intend to do much the same with the 3rd game - restricting my knowledge as much as possible and only checking on a few issues I have a particular ic investment in. (like, is Tali going to be a crew member in the 3rd game?)

[Moiaussi]

Shandepared wrote...

I imagine it survived for so long by being in hard to reach place. Remember that Feros was a mostly unappealing colony because it was so dangerous to live there. Perhaps Exo-Geni just got lucky.

That said, the Thorian felt like the weakest part of Mass Effect to me. It seemed rather un-necessary and didn't really gel too well with the rest of the game in my opinion.

All that makes sense, and yet the colonists are still showing symptoms and Shiala has turned green. I thought the Thorian was a good way to add a non-prothean source of prothean information. It also helps appease the OMG ALIENS ARE NOT ALIEN ENOUGH crowd.

From a story telling point of view it also is a better game and plot if the Renegade point of view is sometimes right.

[Moiaussi]

Zan51 wrote...

Sorry for the OT, guys.

Just have to tie it back into the topic . Books such as Watership Down are very useful in getting us to think of other's perspectives. Understanding that rabbits are not all just cute and fluffy can help us keep the Geth in pespective, as well as RL potential threats.

Note that it also shows us the reality that just because any given race or species may be willing and able to fight for its survival, their doing so is usually more rational than they are given credit for. Even pure instinct usually has a rational base.

In other words, just because some person or group will fight to survive it does not mean that they cannot be reasoned with, nor that they shouldn't be respected. Lose that respect and you risk becoming like Cowslip's Warren (giving in to the enemy completely) or Efrafa (maintaining a full police state where most citizens have no more rights than any enemy).

Don't let complaceny or fear guide you. Listen to your instincts but investigate and find the truth... and follow it.

The Heretics could just be an elabourate ploy, but to what end? That is a lot of assets to just toss away, and for what? To convince empires that are showing no inclination to invade you that their already made up minds should be made up in the decision they already made?

Modifié par Moiaussi, 25 septembre 2010 - 12:57 .

[Dean_the_Young]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Shandepared wrote...

I blew up the heretics because I was thinking about human interests. In the long run weakening the geth will make it easier for humanity to expand. I make it a policy not to roam around the galaxy strengthening foreign armies.

Shand Shand Shand.

I am disappointed in you.

Clearly Overlord was the means we were waiting for, in Humanity's opportunity to take control of the Geth at some future time after they have fought the Reapers. We are not simply strengthening foreign armies: we are strengthening armies that can one day be ours.

And, since so many people took this entirely too seriously...

[/joke]

[Zan51]

elearon1 - nice points from Watership Down, and beautifully tied to the Geth question under discussion. Thnks, I enjhoyed that from you.

Forget who said it about Shiala the Asari Commando gone green, but we are not sparing Zhu's Hope extra tests. Shiala made it quite clear if you completed that conversation that Baria Frontiers would not do the extra tests, all they wanted was the penalty clause for the preople refusing the tests (as they all would) - ie they had to pay the full price for tests already done.
I liked the whole Thorian thingl It was a nice varied mission with a good variety of puzzles stuff, and fighting from the Mako and on foot. Also different types of enemies from the wild varren for food, to Geth, to the husk-like things the Thorian produced. Nice touch with the sleep gas grenades too!

Modifié par Zan51, 27 septembre 2010 - 07:05 .

[EmonFett]

Legion is far to awesome....to not believe him... I crave to learn more about him and the geth i actually sympathize with them deeply after hearing that geth recording on having a soul.

Besides the quarians pulled the trigger first not the geth. The Geth do not even live on quarian homeworld they live in space stations above right now they are still cleaning debris and caretaking the planet. I am sure something can be worked out between both but it will take the quarians to get over their hate.

Modifié par EmonFett, 27 septembre 2010 - 10:20 .