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[Major Truth]

I hope Shepard is given the oppertunity to screw the Geth over in ME3. I want to deliver the house that Ral promised Tali on their home world

[Vaenier]

Major Truth wrote...

I hope Shepard is given the oppertunity to screw the Geth over in ME3. I want to deliver the house that Ral promised Tali on their home world

Nothing like being a racist and helping perpetuate a war of genocide on an innocent species. Good times.

You could always just ask. Its not like they even use any of the Quarian worlds. All they been doing is maintaining them for when the Quarians want to come back.

Also, even if it is your own thread, four months is a huge necro. It would be better to just start a new one next time.

Modifié par Vaenier, 21 janvier 2011 - 02:45 .

[Major Truth]

Vaenier wrote...

Major Truth wrote...

I hope Shepard is given the oppertunity to screw the Geth over in ME3. I want to deliver the house that Ral promised Tali on their home world

Nothing like being a racist and helping perpetuate a war of genocide on an innocent species. Good times.
.

There is nothing racist about turning off a machine. I also believe there are serious questions around Legions back story

[Gabey5]

tbh screw the quarians.. they are in no position to help anyone... i would rather have a full geth fleet on my side.. then some broken down trash fleet

Modifié par Gabey5, 21 janvier 2011 - 03:08 .

[Vaenier]

Major Truth wrote...

There is nothing racist about turning off a machine.

You do know you are nothing but an organic machine?

I rest my case.

[Major Truth]

Vaenier wrote...

Major Truth wrote...

There is nothing racist about turning off a machine.

You do know you are nothing but an organic machine?

I rest my case.

Good point, the next time I buy a car I better keep my voice down when choosing it. I wouldn't want to hurt the other cars feelings.

And I hope the toaster dosen' think I was just using it this morning

[STG]

This thread:

[Drowsy0106]

Major Truth wrote...

Vaenier wrote...

Major Truth wrote...

There is nothing racist about turning off a machine.

You do know you are nothing but an organic machine?

I rest my case.

Good point, the next time I buy a car I better keep my voice down when choosing it. I wouldn't want to hurt the other cars feelings.

And I hope the toaster dosen' think I was just using it this morning

^ Another perfect example as to why abortion shouldn't be a big deal no matter the country u live in. 

[Major Truth]

Drowsy0106 wrote...
^ Another perfect example as to why abortion shouldn't be a big deal no matter the country u live in. 

now now, play nice

[ABCoLD]

Major Truth wrote...

Drowsy0106 wrote...
^ Another perfect example as to why abortion shouldn't be a big deal no matter the country u live in. 

now now, play nice

You can't have your cake and eat it too.  It's either a machine or it's a nascent construct capable of sentient thought.  An automobile or toaster won't ever achieve sentient thought without being reworked to such a point that their origins are not recognizable. 

Geth have achieved independent thought. They are in fact creative beings that attempt self improvement, this places them well above many people in the ME universe who sit in backwater shacks and enjoy inebriants all day.  Heck their 'dyson sphere'-esque idea is an unprecedented attempt at an evoluntionary leap on their part.

There is zero argument for them not being 'alive' the moment after they started coming up with independent agendas and thoughts.  Unless you think that the Geth rebellion and occupation of the Quarrian homeworld was a neat scenario programmed into Geth base runtimes by their creators?

[Anacronian Stryx]

Even the Quarrians believe they are alive and sentient..that why they started the war in the fist place.

[Cyanios]

cut of the bad limb, so that that limb does not make the other bad as well, thus, Destroy the Heretic Geth. My logic dictates this is going to be the safer path, while rewriteing gives intel and a risk of the whole collective to be infected.

[FOZ289]

This thread is old, but it's back, so whatever:

The Geth attack anyone who invades their "space." The Geth that Tali fought in her recruitment mission, unless they stated otherwise and I didn't notice, could have been "normal" or "heretic" Geth and it doesn't matter. The difference is that the "normal" Geth act to defend their territory, while the heretics attack anyone who opposes their prophet (Saren) or the Reapers. In case you didn't pay attention in the first game, the Geth haven't left their territory for 200 years, since they took over the Quarian planets. The only Geth that have left are the heretics, because Saren found Sovereign and recruited any Geth who came to them. The Geth aren't naturally aggressive.

[Moiaussi]

Major Truth wrote...

You cannot say they are illogical without knowing his motives.

Sending Jacob through the vents would appear to be an illogical choice by Shepard, but not if he wants to kill him

Also he could be logically making illogical choices in order to fool people

You seem to be assuming that human emotions are illogical and have no actual purpose. If that were true it would never be possible to emotionally manipulate someone, since there would be no logic to provide a method.

[Major Truth]

Moiaussi wrote...

Major Truth wrote...

You cannot say they are illogical without knowing his motives.

Sending Jacob through the vents would appear to be an illogical choice by Shepard, but not if he wants to kill him

Also he could be logically making illogical choices in order to fool people

You seem to be assuming that human emotions are illogical and have no actual purpose. If that were true it would never be possible to emotionally manipulate someone, since there would be no logic to provide a method.

I'm not assuming that at all - what makes you think that ?

[Sajuro]

Xilizhra wrote...

Major Truth wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

There's no reason to believe the geth aren't sapient, even if their mental processes work differently. They're certainly capable of higher thought, and Legion occasionally have flashes of emotion, which sort of seeps out in their word choices sometimes (such as their confusion and probable remorse when referring to the heretic spy systems in the true geth networks).

If the Geth kicked humans off earth would you be content for humanity to become Galactic Gypseys ? - I wouldntt

For one thing, this is entirely emotional reasoning and has nothing to do with anything. For another, I, like Koris, wouldn't blame the geth for a war we started. What the quarians should have done is release the geth and tried some new labor-saving devices, preferably ones that couldn't mutate into sapient beings.

Or give them geth bucks for their work 

[Sajuro]

Major Truth wrote...

Vaenier wrote...

Major Truth wrote...

There is nothing racist about turning off a machine.

You do know you are nothing but an organic machine?

I rest my case.

Good point, the next time I buy a car I better keep my voice down when choosing it. I wouldn't want to hurt the other cars feelings.

And I hope the toaster dosen' think I was just using it this morning

Better watch that toaster, one day it'll be our overlord.

[Metalunatic]

Looking at the big picture; the fact is the geth oppose the reapers. Its logical to rewrite them and gain their trust for when the reapers arrive we'll need all the help we can get.

[Inverness Moon]

Major Truth wrote...

Vaenier wrote...

Major Truth wrote...

There is nothing racist about turning off a machine.

You do know you are nothing but an organic machine?

I rest my case.

Good point, the next time I buy a car I better keep my voice down when choosing it. I wouldn't want to hurt the other cars feelings.

And I hope the toaster dosen' think I was just using it this morning

You must be either trolling or forcing yourself to be ignorant.

[Zulu_DFA]

Among the crowds of ME liars, Legion shines as the only one I (me and my Shepard) believe every word of.

However, the Heretics station has to destroyed (as well as the rest of the Heretics), because as the poll suggests in one of the options, "ultimately, something might go wrong".

Namely, Legion's repurposed virus may fail and the Heretics infect the True Geth with their own virus, after rejoining. 573 to 571 (plus a few "abstaining" runtimes) makes it roughly 0.5 probability of success in Legion's own assessment. That's not the chances I'm willing to take.

Honestly, from the metagame PoV, I don't expect the "rewrite" option to be punished in such a way. More likely it will be rewarded by stronger Geth. And on my original playthrough I rewrited them. But as I later concluded it had been an act of unconscious metagaming, I reversed this decision for the canon.

I expect all Geth to turn Heretics only if Legion's loyalty mission hasn't been done (and in default ME3 start).

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 25 janvier 2011 - 09:04 .

[Lewie]

Count Viceroy wrote...

I rewrite the geth just so I'll have more fodder to throw at the reapers. Destroying them is a waste of resources.Which Is also why I keep on the good side of legion and the quarians.

I re-wrote them too partly becuase i believed Legion, i had doubts but to say he would fill your head with lies doesn't make sense to me, from a machine. His intelligence is hardware/logic. The youtube videos of Legion on Tali's loyalty mission were interesting, Legion was allowed to stay without any hassle lol. 

[Jedi Master of Orion]

I've made 3 Shepards that have gone far enough to have completed Heretic Station and each of them have different reasons for what they did.

My "main" Shepard was a paragon who chose to rewrite them because he decided rewriting them was more humane than killing them all. (Plus he wanted enough paragon points to persuade Miranda to be loyal again).

My second run was with a renegade Shepard who decided to destroy them all because it was simpler and safer.

My next Shepard was a paragade Shepard who decided to destroy them because he judged that even though Geth are alive, the Heretics all deserved to die after what they did to Eden Prime, the Quarians and every organic they've encoutnered since.

Modifié par Jedi Master of Orion, 26 janvier 2011 - 02:18 .

[Lewie]

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

I've made 3 Shepards that have gone far enough to have completed Heretic Station and each of them have different reasons for what they did.

My "main" Shepard was a paragon who chose to rewrite them because he decided rewriting them was more humane than killing them all. (Plus he wanted enough paragon points to persuade Miranda to be loyal again).

My second run with with a renegade Shepard who decided to destroy them all because it was simpler and safer.

My next Shepard was a paragade Shepard who decided to destroy them because he judged that even though Geth are alive, the Heretics all deserved to die after what they did to Eden Prime, the Quarians and every organic they've encoutnered since.

With Legion i saw an opportunity, if they can rebuild consensus in a format that means they are no longer at war with quarians then why not do that? Its like the genophage at first when Shepard wasn't there it may have been the right thing to do because you don't know what the outcome may have been its speculation, now of course you see the effects and it should be cured. People have to be willing to take risks for things to change.

[Vaenier]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Among the crowds of ME liars, Legion shines as the only one I (me and my Shepard) believe every word of.

However, the Heretics station has to destroyed (as well as the rest of the Heretics), because as the poll suggests in one of the options, "ultimately, something might go wrong".

Namely, Legion's repurposed virus may fail and the Heretics infect the True Geth with their own virus, after rejoining. 573 to 571 (plus a few "abstaining" runtimes) makes it roughly 0.5 probability of success in Legion's own assessment. That's not the chances I'm willing to take.

Honestly, from the metagame PoV, I don't expect the "rewrite" option to be punished in such a way. More likely it will be rewarded by stronger Geth. And on my original playthrough I rewrited them. But as I later concluded it had been an act of unconscious metagaming, I reversed this decision for the canon.

I expect all Geth to turn Heretics only if Legion's loyalty mission hasn't been done (and in default ME3 start).

You destroy the virus after using it. You dont just leave them with a fully complete virus. They would have to start over, requiring more Reaper hardware they dont have. So there is no risk of them using the virus after you leave.

Also, not doing his mission wouldnt result in the good Geth joining the Reapers. They knew about the virus, they most likely had fleets ready to assault the station. This would have resulted in many losses for them. Legion managed to get your help to do the sneaky aproach and thus complete the mission without any lost Geth platforms. Its only logical.

But an interesting thought: The virus was complete when you got there. There is no reason for them to not have used it already on the good Geth... Galaxy = ****ed.