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[AshedMan]

Eurypterid wrote...

Busomjack wrote...

The real reason people complain about Steam is because they just want to be able to get the game for free from whatever torrent website the frequently visit and not have to worry about any hassle later.

Steam represents a threat to the freeloader culture of PC gaming and they hate it.

Why is it every time a Steam discussion gets started, the Steam supporters resort to the tired and wildly inaccurate "Only pirates have an issue with Steam" argument?

I take offense to implication that I pirate games just because I don't like Steam. I've never pirated a game in my life and don't intend to. Please, trim down the trolling, jack.

Why is it that everytime Busomjack says something about PC pirating, people assume his opinions represent others.

[joey_mork84]

People complaining about complainers are pirates.
It makes about as much sense as "If you don't like it, you must be a pirate."

Leinadi wrote...

Well argued.

Damn STEAM for foiling my evil plan of posting spoilers from Civ V.

But
clearly, Bismarck is the final boss, and oh... You can totally romance
Catherine, but if you do so her lover Gandhi will hunt you down and you
have to fight him in a boss fight. It's quite awesome.

Well said, Ser! I like your style! lol

Modifié par joey_mork84, 23 septembre 2010 - 07:14 .

[Mooner911]

The Microsoft Lesson.

In the beginning, there was no Microsoft as we know and love it. That's right. Computers preceeded Microsoft. ...And computers ran on various forms of DOS (Disk Operating System) that were all shareware. I prefered 4-DOS at that time but I was quite familiar with DR-DOS and MS-DOS (yeah, MicroSoft) and others, but I was most intrigued with computers with NO or volatile operating systems. That is, you'd write your own instruction set for the CPU you were using. Anyways, moving along...
After a string of failed attempts (Win 1, 2, 3.0), Microsoft finally marketed a stable operating system called Windows 3.1. Through consumer acceptance (notice I didn't say 'popularity'), mass marketing, government lobbying, and severe corporate bullying, MS Windows became the operating system that 99.9% of all computing humans know and love.
So, where's the lesson? Well, let's have a look at the consequences and lost futures.
MS Windows was built to operate exclusively on the 80x86 family of CPU's. (When this became apparent, me and many of my computer literate friends did a serious WTF!!). The 80x86 CPU was one of the least versatile chips available on the market. It was designed with major speed-reducing features such as the dreaded '640K Barrier' and a ROM instruction set. Microsoft had to do some very fancy coding in order to surpass these hurdles and the result was very slow computers. Gone were the 68000, 4809, Z80, 6500 ect. CPU's that were more versatile and all had better performance ratings than the 80x86. The results of excellent corporate strategizing is that we all now use an 80x86 CPU that manages computing speeds that could have easily been attained 20 years ago by any of the other CPU's, had they survived. We now have one operating system built to run on one type of computer.
The consequences, apparent for anyone who experienced life before Microsoft, is that we now live in a Microsoft computing world. We are all contained within the Microsoft box (even Apple!). Our computing existence is restricted and controlled by Microsoft. Variety is not only impossible, it's unimaginable. Every bit of consumer software is written according to MS Windows constraints and we have no alternatives. Microsoft directly or indirectly determines every second of our computing experience.

And just how does this equate to Steam? Well, if Steam became the main delivery system for all consumer gaming... It's not hard to imagine. After all, corporations are not in the business of servicing people. If you thought they were, then you're a perfect example of a triple-A-grade consumer. Corporations' primary, absolute, No. 1 function is to acquire profit. They do this by eliminating the competition (eliminating variety), and getting as many people and organizations to give them money for their product as possible (eliminating choice). In other words, if Steam ended up as the only source of games, Steam would control and constrain every aspect of our gaming experience. It's a bad outcome for those who dislike Steam, for those who love it, and for those who just don't care.

Modifié par Mooner911, 23 septembre 2010 - 07:18 .

[Busomjack]

What is not to like about Steam other than it preventing you from getting your free copy early?



You just don't like it because it's "unecessary?" Last I checked, steam is needed to play the game so I think that makes it pretty necessary.

[AshedMan]

If you are a PC gamer in the year 2010 and you still think Steam is evil then you should seek therapy.

[joriandrake]

Adriano87 wrote...

Rubbish Hero wrote...

About 25 million people have chosen to use steam.
Nobody cares what you think, go cry in the corner.

WTF! and hundreds of Millions have chose not

this

[joey_mork84]

Busomjack wrote...

What is not to like about Steam other than it preventing you from getting your free copy early?

You just don't like it because it's "unecessary?" Last I checked, steam is needed to play the game so I think that makes it pretty necessary.

So, by your logic, if the game were released without this 'feature', it would be unplayable? I have an entire stack of non-pirated DVD games that say otherwise. But please, don't let this bit of truth disturb your trolling. Go ahead, troll on. I'll refrain from future feedings.

[Eurypterid]

AshedMan wrote...

Why is it that everytime Busomjack says something about PC pirating, people assume his opinions represent others.

Apologies. Didn't mean to paint you all with the same brush. I wasn't assuming his opinions represents all other Steam supporters, and didn't mean to give that impression.

Jack: I've tried Steam. Didn't like it. It offers me nothing that I want or need.  So it turns out to be nothing more than another on-line activation DRM to me. And for a retail copy of a game that's not something I'm willing to tolerate. It has nothing to do with some twisted desire to spoil someone's game or to play it earlier than anyone else, but of course you and other "You're obviously a pirate if you don't like Steam" folks won't believe that. So I guess I'm done with this thread.

[Rubbish Hero]

joriandrake wrote...

Adriano87 wrote...

Rubbish Hero wrote...

About 25 million people have chosen to use steam.
Nobody cares what you think, go cry in the corner.

WTF! and hundreds of Millions have chose not

this

Being "not aware" isn't the same as "not choosing" As far as core gaming goes, the people choosing freely to use it greatly outweigh the little freedom fighters with nothing better to do. Steam has won, deservingly so. The best thing you fellows can do is bend over and take it.

Modifié par Rubbish Hero, 23 septembre 2010 - 07:25 .

[Busomjack]

joey_mork84 wrote...

Busomjack wrote...

What is not to like about Steam other than it preventing you from getting your free copy early?

You just don't like it because it's "unecessary?" Last I checked, steam is needed to play the game so I think that makes it pretty necessary.

So, by your logic, if the game were released without this 'feature', it would be unplayable? I have an entire stack of non-pirated DVD games that say otherwise. But please, don't let this bit of truth disturb your trolling. Go ahead, troll on. I'll refrain from future feedings.

I'm not talking about hypotheticals here.  You called Steam an unnecessary feature which is factually incorrect being that you need it to play Civilization V.

[wolfsite]

Adriano87 wrote...

Eurypterid wrote...

AshedMan wrote...

Why is it that everytime Busomjack says something about PC pirating, people assume his opinions represent others.

Jack: I've tried Steam. Didn't like it. It offers me nothing that I want or need.  So it turns out to be nothing more than another on-line activation DRM to me.

so it was such waste of Time? <_<

Honestly I would say no,  of all the DRM's Steam is probably the least intrusive, you don't have to be online 24-7 to play games (It does have a play offline feature) and it actually helps you find gamer communities as well as access to the optional online game store (which with some of the insane discounts I have been seeing is quite nice).

But in truth it just comes down to your personal experience, you can doenload the Steam Client and create a user identity at no cost to you and you can browse the store, all the different cummunity areas, news and try out a free game or two, then after a few days you can make your own judgement.

[joey_mork84]

*Ignores troll*

Adriano87 wrote...

Eurypterid wrote...

AshedMan wrote...

Why is it that everytime Busomjack says something about PC pirating, people assume his opinions represent others.

Jack: I've tried Steam. Didn't like it. It offers me nothing that I want or need.  So it turns out to be nothing more than another on-line activation DRM to me.

so it was such waste of Time? <_<

I, personally, wouldn't consider it a waste of time if he tried it, but I think the point he was trying to make was that it doesn't make him a pirate because he choses not to use it. And I believe that includes everyone else here that doesn't like this 'feature'.

[Wrexdot]

AshedMan wrote...

If you are a PC gamer in the year 2010 and you still think Steam is evil then you should seek therapy.

This.

[joey_mork84]

Who said steam was evil? Hmm.. Either way, my point still stands.

[Busomjack]

3 pages of PC gamers whining incessantly about Steam and not one of them has yet provided a single reason as to why Steam is bad.

I think it's pretty obvious, Steam is the reason why you can't get the game for free right now and you have to wait for a non steam version to be cracked so you can download it for free.

[Leinadi]

Yep.



Like I said, I enjoy using STEAM as a service to buy digital downloads (they've got excellent sales on some really good games occasionally). Plus, it's a nice platform to find indie games on.



Now why is this service connected to my physical copy of Civilization V? It's not a special deal for a paying customer of any kind because STEAM is free to download anyways. So why am I forced to use STEAM for a game that I did not buy on STEAM?

[joey_mork84]

Leinadi wrote...
Now why is this service connected to my physical copy of Civilization V? It's not a special deal for a paying customer of any kind because STEAM is free to download anyways. So why am I forced to use STEAM for a game that I did not buy on STEAM?

^This^

Also, the pirate argument is old. If someone doesn't want this 'feature', it doesn't make them a pirate anymore than someone not wanting to be a cop is automatically a criminal. Same reasoning applies in both scenarios.

[Wrexdot]

Answer is really simple.



Because Steam is actually a DRM. And believe me, it's way better than crappy games for windows + securom.

[Chris Priestly]

Enough with the name calling FROM EVERYONE.


LOCKDOWN!

Modifié par Chris Priestly, 23 septembre 2010 - 08:16 .

[joey_mork84]

Idk.. Maybe its just me. I just like things simple so I can get to playing the game I paid my hard-earned money for sooner. Go to the store, buy the game, install it, play it.

[addiction21]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Enough with the name calling FROM EVERYONE.


LOCKDOWN!

I think you forgot to do something.

[Mooner911]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Enough with the name calling FROM EVERYONE.


LOCKDOWN!

WTF??

[TheMufflon]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Enough with the name calling FROM EVERYONE.


LOCKDOWN!

Does thread locking operate under the honour system these days?

Modifié par TheMufflon, 23 septembre 2010 - 08:10 .