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[Talogrungi]

Given that Hawke is unequivocally human, I'm not expecting a female dorf romance in DA2.

Would be nice to have the option; dorfettes are pretty badass .. but I don't see it happening. Male dorf maybe.

[ShrinkingFish]

Why does Hawke being human exclude a female dwarf love interest from the consideration?



Female dwarf wardens can romance Alistair and Zevran in Origins... why can't they switch that up a bit and put the PC in the male roll?

[Talogrungi]

There are a few comments earlier in this thread suggesting (anecdotally) that the devs view human males romancing dorfettes as "inappropriate" whereas the player being a dorfette and romancing a human male is, (presumably), less inappropriate.

Can't personally confirm that this is the devs position on the issue; haven't seen 'em state either way. Seems silly to me, but I can understand the reasoning even if I don't agree with it.

[Zaros]

I'm surprised the people complaining here never complained about the female dwarf in The Pearl.



It's essentially the same, except instead of just straight sex, she'd actually have a personality too (and she'd hopefully lack the STDs that I'm sure everyone in The Pearl is crawling with).

[Calla S]

ShrinkingFish wrote...
And don't say Varric being an LI eliminates the chance for a female dwarf romance. I have seen no confirmation that Varric is an LI, just a lot of people wishing he was, only that he is the narrator of the story. Plus... I have a vague memory of something said about him somewhere that suggested he had a wife and kids.... but maybe I'm not remembering that correctly... Anyways, if anyone has an actual confirmation on any of that please let me know as I have not seen it.

Second Edit: I found what I read about Varric's wife and kids in an interview between Mary and Varric...

"Q. What about a dead wife? Orphaned kid?

A. No, I'm trying to quit."

So there you go... I did not remember that correctly.

Don't play like that.

From the tone of the "interview," it's pretty obvious that the wife and kid thing was a joke. Not only that, but even if it wasn't a joke, the way she phrased it isn't even clear as to what she meant. He was being vague on purpose. Unless that's what you meant by your second edit. Which, if it is, I'm sorry. Just woke up, mind's all foggy. Kay, nevermind, just ignore all of that. Fffff.

That said, the "devs" mentioned above number in one, so far as I recall. David Gaider mentioned that he's one of the fair few who consider dwarven females to resemble children. It was mentioned in the first Varric thread. He's also said in the past that he'd write a dwarf/dwarf relationship and that he'd like to put a dwarven romance in a game in the future and that he wouldn't stop a dwarven romance from being written by someone else. Ramble ramble ramble, so tired, need coffee.

[Nessa Surana]

ShrinkingFish wrote...

Why doubts about DA2? We know nothing about any of the romances except for that one of them is a sexy pirate lady who is human. We could get a female dwarf in there.

I'd love to have my doubts disproven. : )

But being that DA2 is, by now, something of a finished product-- or at least a product in the finishing-- I kind of wonder if they would have known that there was an interest/demand for a female dwarven LI until nearing that final wrap up.

[Esbatty]

Aimo's comics have proven there are advantages to female dwarf lovin'. Once I was blind but now I see...

[Inquisitor Recon]

Esbatty wrote...

Aimo's comics have proven there are advantages to female dwarf lovin'. Once I was blind but now I see...

Or once I could see but I now I am blind after reading the Varric topic...

[Esbatty]

ReconTeam wrote...

Esbatty wrote...

Aimo's comics have proven there are advantages to female dwarf lovin'. Once I was blind but now I see...

Or once I could see but I now I am blind after reading the Varric topic...

If I'm allowed to covet Wynne and Dr. Chakwas then I can surely allow others to covet Ser Chest of Haire.

[ShrinkingFish]

Talogrungi wrote...

There are a few comments earlier in this thread suggesting (anecdotally) that the devs view human males romancing dorfettes as "inappropriate" whereas the player being a dorfette and romancing a human male is, (presumably), less inappropriate.
Can't personally confirm that this is the devs position on the issue; haven't seen 'em state either way. Seems silly to me, but I can understand the reasoning even if I don't agree with it.

As a matter of fact Gaider has said he intends to do a dwarf centered romance sometime. Never hinting at any kind of sexist exclusionary priciples... that I am aware of anyways...

Modifié par ShrinkingFish, 03 octobre 2010 - 07:57 .

[ShrinkingFish]

Nessa Surana wrote...

ShrinkingFish wrote...

Why doubts about DA2? We know nothing about any of the romances except for that one of them is a sexy pirate lady who is human. We could get a female dwarf in there.

I'd love to have my doubts disproven. : )

But being that DA2 is, by now, something of a finished product-- or at least a product in the finishing-- I kind of wonder if they would have known that there was an interest/demand for a female dwarven LI until nearing that final wrap up.

Well... I'm not entirely sure that our demands would go into caring ears in either case. The writers appear to do mostly what they enjoy which is great in my opinion because then we get passionate work instead of simply work that people made them do. And there is a big difference.

This is me just kind of hoping they included a dwarf romance option someday as I do feel like such would give the artists the opportunity to explore different standards of beauty. I mean, we have seen countless times how an elf can be beautiful, how a human can be beautiful, and even how more exotic races can be beautiful (Avatar). But rarely have I seen any examples of dwarven beauty. Aimo's work being the one acception I can think of.

[ShrinkingFish]

Calla S wrote...

ShrinkingFish wrote...
And don't say Varric being an LI eliminates the chance for a female dwarf romance. I have seen no confirmation that Varric is an LI, just a lot of people wishing he was, only that he is the narrator of the story. Plus... I have a vague memory of something said about him somewhere that suggested he had a wife and kids.... but maybe I'm not remembering that correctly... Anyways, if anyone has an actual confirmation on any of that please let me know as I have not seen it.

Second Edit: I found what I read about Varric's wife and kids in an interview between Mary and Varric...

"Q. What about a dead wife? Orphaned kid?

A. No, I'm trying to quit."

So there you go... I did not remember that correctly.

Don't play like that.

From the tone of the "interview," it's pretty obvious that the wife and kid thing was a joke. Not only that, but even if it wasn't a joke, the way she phrased it isn't even clear as to what she meant. He was being vague on purpose. Unless that's what you meant by your second edit. Which, if it is, I'm sorry. Just woke up, mind's all foggy. Kay, nevermind, just ignore all of that. Fffff.

That said, the "devs" mentioned above number in one, so far as I recall. David Gaider mentioned that he's one of the fair few who consider dwarven females to resemble children. It was mentioned in the first Varric thread. He's also said in the past that he'd write a dwarf/dwarf relationship and that he'd like to put a dwarven romance in a game in the future and that he wouldn't stop a dwarven romance from being written by someone else. Ramble ramble ramble, so tired, need coffee.

Firstly. My bad. Sorry to facilitate your confusion.

Secondly. Gaider's possition, in your summation, confuses me. If he considers dwarven females to resemble children... then why would he want to write a dwarf/dwarf romance? The female would still look the same, after all. Is it simply the height then? Weird. Anyways... I know you're hardly the person to put there questions too... but I just wanted to articulate my confusion. And in that case, I hope this mysterious someone else does write us a female dwarf romance option. Fingers crossed.

[Saraphial]

Dwarf LI's aren't really done because, to put it bluntly, they just aren't all that appealing. No one looks at a person of the opposite sex and says, "Oh man, that short/stout/stubby body is so HOT!" I mean, I can understand why all the Varric craze is happening because of his character along with how he looks from the concept art, and lets not forget that chest hair, but unless I was playing as a dwarf, I can honestly say I would romance another dwarf (Varric being a small exception).

[Xewaka]

Saraphial wrote...

Dwarf LI's aren't really done because, to put it bluntly, they just aren't all that appealing. No one looks at a person of the opposite sex and says, "Oh man, that short/stout/stubby body is so HOT!"

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I find those lovely, generously curved dwarf ladies far more appealing than those bony elven anorexic wenches.

Plus, Dwarves are awesome.

[Saraphial]

Xewaka wrote...

Saraphial wrote...

Dwarf LI's aren't really done because, to put it bluntly, they just aren't all that appealing. No one looks at a person of the opposite sex and says, "Oh man, that short/stout/stubby body is so HOT!"

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I find those lovely, generously curved dwarf ladies far more appealing than those bony elven anorexic wenches.

Plus, Dwarves are awesome.

Meh, I suppose your right, but being 5'7" I personally just can't dig a short man.  

[ShrinkingFish]

Saraphial wrote...

Dwarf LI's aren't really done because, to put it bluntly, they just aren't all that appealing. No one looks at a person of the opposite sex and says, "Oh man, that short/stout/stubby body is so HOT!" I mean, I can understand why all the Varric craze is happening because of his character along with how he looks from the concept art, and lets not forget that chest hair, but unless I was playing as a dwarf, I can honestly say I would romance another dwarf (Varric being a small exception).

So short/stubby/stout body's are not hot unless they're covered in hair and have appealing personalities behind them?

If Varric can be appealing then how does that translate that dwarf females cannot be appealing? It couldn't possibly be that Varric is the one acception to the rule out of every dwarf that has ever lived.

Besides. A dwarf romance character would have the opportunity to explore different standards of beauty that are otherwise unseen. As humans and elves simply cannot in most cases, acceptably, display the robust figure of a curvy and well defined woman. Elves are almost always stick figures, thin, skinny, lithe and the like and human women in these games are most often only a small step above elves in terms of body type. Perhaps slightly more filled out, a little more thickness to their arms and legs, but otherwise just a typical example of main stream female beauty.

Xewaka wrote...
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I
find those lovely, generously curved dwarf ladies far more appealing
than those bony elven anorexic wenches.

Plus, Dwarves are awesome.

This guy sums it up more simply than I.

[Xewaka]

Saraphial wrote...

Meh, I suppose your right, but being 5'7" I personally just can't dig a short man.  

That may be a factor too. After all, I'm a stubby, hairy, bearded, scientific-minded man. I'm just a tall dwarf really

Modifié par Xewaka, 03 octobre 2010 - 10:03 .

[lovgreno]

Reasons for having dwarven LI (preferable of both genders) in DA2:



1. Being short is not realy a problem for me, on the contrary it's part of the dwarven charm.

2. And yes, guys and girls with some healthy volume are great!

3. Just becuse it's different from the standard steretype of what a atractive person should be like in fantasy. You know, the big human guy and the slim elven girl.

4. Because dwarves are cool, attractive and awesome. Yes seriously.

[ShrinkingFish]

lovgreno wrote...

Reasons for having dwarven LI (preferable of both genders) in DA2:

1. Being short is not realy a problem for me, on the contrary it's part of the dwarven charm.
2. And yes, guys and girls with some healthy volume are great!
3. Just becuse it's different from the standard steretype of what a atractive person should be like in fantasy. You know, the big human guy and the slim elven girl.
4. Because dwarves are cool, attractive and awesome. Yes seriously.

I agree with the guy with the awesome avatar, especially on number 3! Let's break open some stereotypes and lay them to waste! Huzzah!

[lovgreno]

ShrinkingFish wrote...
I agree with the guy with the awesome avatar, especially on number 3! Let's break open some stereotypes and lay them to waste! Huzzah!

Be short and proud!

[Nessa Surana]

ShrinkingFish wrote...

This is me just kind of hoping they included a dwarf romance option someday as I do feel like such would give the artists the opportunity to explore different standards of beauty. I mean, we have seen countless times how an elf can be beautiful, how a human can be beautiful, and even how more exotic races can be beautiful (Avatar). But rarely have I seen any examples of dwarven beauty. Aimo's work being the one acception I can think of.

In that case, we both agree, and are talking circles around eachother.

I still doubt it will be in anything as soon as DA2 (still liking to be disproven!), but I would hope for an option in the next installment.

I adore Aimo and tysandri. They are the reasons I worked up my courage and came here at all.

[TensouRaiden]

 I am hopelessly rooting for dwarven Shale as a LI .

[skcm]

The devs operate in "maybes" I've noticed. It's better than the very blanketing "NO" I see from a lot of fandom members who think/"feel" that dwarves are non-romanceable for whatever reasons they have. The top ones I've seen? The player (NOT the player character, but there's overlap for many people) thinks Orzammar is "bad"--morally unforgivable. Additionally, people think the short stuff is gross (I hope you folk don't date in reals. There are short people, and they're worth loving/screwing/marrying/hugging). The other contender as far as no-boning-dwarves rationale goes seems to be what's been mentioned a few posts up. I've seen it phrased less as THIS IS MY CONVENTIONAL FANTASY ROMANCE DON'T KNOCK IT, and more, "I don't /SEE/ xyz with dwarven interest, I just /couldn't/"



Which is a load of nug****.



I've tried arguing with naysayers in my head that it's silly, especially for more pragmatic player characters, to denounce dwarven romance. It boils down to this: Whatever, your loss, homies. Orzammar is still the most impressively designed social structure in all of what we've seen of Thedas, in my pretty humble opinion, and dwarves are spicy hot, whether female or otherwise.



I would sign a thousand hopeless petitions for a female dwarf LI, if they ever existed...especially if she would romance my Lady Hawke.

[soignee]

Firstly I <3 SKCM for this post, but they make a lot of awesome points.

skcm wrote...

The top ones I've seen? The player (NOT the player character, but there's overlap for many people) thinks Orzammar is "bad"--morally unforgivable.

To a point it is morally grey, but so is Zatharian's handling of the curse,  the Tower's blood magic ****ery and the politicing of Loghain.

Additionally, people think the short stuff is gross (I hope you folk don't date in reals. There are short people, and they're worth loving/screwing/marrying/hugging).

This point comes up a lot for me too as I draw/write dwarf women being in love/romantic situations, and it pisses me off. It's usually aimed at female dwarf art, since traditionally male dwarves are stocky bears with beards and thusly unattractive by certain standards, so ignoring that fish kettle (even though it reeks just as bad) for the mean time, let's go with what the statement is usually aimed at.

Small women.

Firstly, I am not a social weirdo for drawing a five foot woman having a sex life. By this baffling logic, do women below your short radar somehow not have a sexuality? What's the height requirements for one of those, anyway. Gosh SKCM, I somehow missed that particular lecture. May I borrow your notes? 

The other contender as far as no-boning-dwarves rationale goes seems to be what's been mentioned a few posts up. I've seen it phrased less as THIS IS MY CONVENTIONAL FANTASY ROMANCE DON'T KNOCK IT, and more, "I don't /SEE/ xyz with dwarven interest, I just /couldn't/"

Which is a load of nug****.

God, I love this one. 
Enlighten me, haters; tell me exactly what the game writers had in mind when they made the love interests able to be romanced by all races? Obviously you know the characters better then them to have such a staunch opinion on who they will and won't bone... OH WAIT.  You don't. 
(This is especially lulzy when people say this to me about Zevran. ZEVRAN, PEOPLE. Zeeeevvvvvran.)

I've tried arguing with naysayers in my head that it's silly, especially for more pragmatic player characters, to denounce dwarven romance.

I usually get it on my doorstep both in hatred or "no offence, but..." asides as well, but I digress...

It boils down to this: Whatever, your loss, homies..., in my pretty humble opinion, and dwarves are spicy hot, whether female or otherwise.

AMEN.

I would sign a thousand hopeless petitions for a female dwarf LI, if they ever existed...especially if she would romance my Lady Hawke.

Yes!

Modifié par soignee, 03 octobre 2010 - 07:05 .

[lovgreno]

Ah Soignee, I noticed your dwarven art on DA, always nice to see dwarf fanart and you do have a personal style.