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[Zjarcal]

wickedgoodreed wrote...

If one is earnest about aquiring insights into her character through love triangles, to me the obvious conclusion to draw from them is that Leliana is a complex, caring, sensitive character whose feelings get hurt when someone does jerky things to her.

Leliana knows that Alistair would treat the warden well, in contrast to her estimation of Morrigan, hence the varied reaction. She also responds that way because Leliana is not callous. She actually cares about the feelings of others and doesn't want to be the cause of pain in someone she has a good opinion of. 

Why anyone would think it is "fun" to do that to someone, particularly to a character who has been put through so much already, is beyond me...


In regards to her mental state...If I had been through all that Leliana had, I'd likely become a very jaded, unhappy individual. Yet despite everything she's been through, Leliana still manages to find beauty in the world, leave the shelter of the Chantry to fight for that and what she believes in, and open herself up to the vulnerability of loving again. To me that serves to demonstrate a remarkable psychological resilience. Sure, she still has a lot of "risk factors" and emotional scars, but at least she has the courage to wear them on her sleeve. I think she deserves credit for that. Of  course, I am a Leli-fan so I suppose I'm biased.

I could pitch in with my thoughts, but this post sums them up perfectly.

Thank you wicked!

[Reika]

I'm not a Leli fan the way I am with Alistair, but I do like her (once I convinced her to stop hitting on my warden), but I have to agree with wickedgoodreed.



Anyway, I think it's a jerky thing to put people into love triangles to see how they react.

[yo bro]

i didnt mean to make Lel fans mad, but I like both Morri and Lel so I romance them both. yes i like playing horn dogs. My fem warden are the same way. I find Lel really possesive when it comes to relationships. So its ok to romance both Lel and Alistair at the same time but not Lel and Morri? I mean she gets all "how noble" in redcliffe when I kiss that girl in the chantry, then the tavern girl. She even admits doing the same things to other guys.

[ejoslin]

Honestly, if we were talking about real life, yeh, ok. But we're not; we're talking about a video game. As much as I love Zevran, there have been a few masochistic nights of mine where I went through all the breakups just to see them. I do not think that diminished my worth as a person, though I felt like absolute crap as the voice acting is THAT good.



I think the love triangles in the game are very well done. Leliana IS the most possessive -- she starts getting possessive earlier than the other three. Alistair, Morrigan, and Zevran don't get possessive until two of them hit "adore." Leliana objects at "care" to the warden having sex with someone else, even if the affection level is lower as well.



It's interesting, though, seeing the different reactions the characters have. Both Leliana and Zevran are more inclined to push the warden to, at least Alistair (can't say about Morrigan), but it's not because they don't care or don't want to be with the warden -- it's because they can see the worth of the other relationship. With both of them, listening to their voices crack as they try to maintain their dignity, and Zevran reassuring the warden that all will be ok -- ugh. Beautiful writing, beautiful voice acting, beautiful animation, and definitely worth seeing.

[yo bro]

I just find her more possesive with my male, then female. I know she doesnt like Morrigan,but i think she is alot deeper of a character. I thought Lel/ Morri was the best Love Triangle in the game because it revealed alot about both of their characters and Lel even admits to having fun with men, so she isnt exactly innocent.   Lel wants to be respected as a lady and wants the male to act like a gentleman, but Morri shows remorse for a heartbroken Lel. 

Modifié par yo bro, 23 septembre 2010 - 09:48 .

[yo bro]

I told her Morrigan was better in bed, she flipped.

[Zjarcal]

Poor ejoslin. She tries to bring in some sense into this thread and then this comment is posted...

yo bro wrote...

I told her Morrigan was better in bed, she flipped.

[yo bro]

Zjarcal wrote...

Poor ejoslin. She tries to bring in some sense into this thread and then this comment is posted...

yo bro wrote...

I told her Morrigan was better in bed, she flipped.

Well you can tell her that. And her statment is completly correct there is depth in triangles.

Modifié par yo bro, 23 septembre 2010 - 09:58 .

[Zjarcal]

Luna Siwora wrote...

I'm NOT a Leliana fan either... I just don't like her, she's too girlie. Once I was trying to see how was a triangle (that ended with my Cous loving Alistair, of coooourse) and she scared me >_< And one of my friends tried to breakup with her without giving an explanation... Poor guy :/

To each their own.

Everyone loves and dislikes characters based on their personal preferences and that's fine. I'm not sure why would she scare you (and I don't need to know really), but it's alright.

I myself don't like Alistair that much and I'm always posting in the Alistair thread... go figure!

[KnightofPhoenix]

Well what somewhat scared me is Leliana triggering her jealousy of Morrigan when I wasn't even romancing her, but I know that's a bug. But it was weird and quite awkward, cause I really didn't want to hurt her feelings.

[yo bro]

Alright, to calm thread. After doing Lels triangle, I dont think she is ready to be in any sort of relationship. male or female. she isnt ready to deal with heartbreak again. I know she is pretty much over marj betrayel but she isnt ready to fall in love again. But idk, maybe romance is good for Lel. Lel has that "peoples person personality" so i can see alot of good in Lel.

[Zjarcal]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Well what somewhat scared me is Leliana triggering her jealousy of Morrigan when I wasn't even romancing her, but I know that's a bug. But it was weird and quite awkward, cause I really didn't want to hurt her feelings.

Well, but that's a bug KoP! Although I can see why it would scare you...

Leli: Why are you with that woman?
KoP: Why is that of your concern?
Leli: I thought we were an item!
KoP: ......

[thesuperdarkone]

yo bro wrote...

I told her Morrigan was better in bed, she flipped.

 

[KnightofPhoenix]

Zjarcal wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Well what somewhat scared me is Leliana triggering her jealousy of Morrigan when I wasn't even romancing her, but I know that's a bug. But it was weird and quite awkward, cause I really didn't want to hurt her feelings.

Well, but that's a bug KoP! Although I can see why it would scare you...

Leli: Why are you with that woman?
KoP: Why is that of your concern?
Leli: I thought we were an item!
KoP: ......

I couldn't even tell her "why is that any of your concern?"
I am a softie like that. And so I felt guilty and thought my mouth landed me in trouble...again. 

[yo bro]

so im a jerk because im the only one who has ever done a love triangle.

[KnightofPhoenix]

yo bro wrote...

so im a jerk because im the only one who has ever done a love triangle.

In real life, yes you would be a jerk.
In a game? We don't care.

[thesuperdarkone]

yo bro wrote...

so im a jerk because im the only one who has ever done a love triangle.

 

Going out with someone, then cheating on them by sleeping with someone else, and then telling them you slept with someone else and that sleeping with the other person is better. Jeez, I'm sure you're the nicest person on the planet.

Modifié par thesuperdarkone, 23 septembre 2010 - 10:38 .

[yo bro]

Come on "Your wading through her swamp." is by far the funnioest line in the whole da game. So I do a love triangle in game, i lke drama adds depth to my characters. Am I like this irl? no, why I do it in game.

[Zjarcal]

MariSkep wrote...

She isn't coping with the world around her like Morrigan (not trying to start a feud over who's 'better.' just using her as a foil. I know Morri has her own score of issues). She's creating fantasy after fantasy and latching onto individuals hoping they'll heal whatever wounds she has. That's not healthy.

I kind of want to respond, but I feel that you have a very strong opinion and view of Leliana, one that won't be changed no matter what I say.

So I'll just say that I completely disagree with you and leave it at that.

Modifié par Zjarcal, 23 septembre 2010 - 10:48 .

[yo bro]

I dont think lel was treated that well after Marjolaine.

[ejoslin]

MariSkep wrote...

wickedgoodreed wrote...

In regards to her mental state...If I had been through all that Leliana had, I'd likely become a very jaded, unhappy individual. Yet despite everything she's been through, Leliana still manages to find beauty in the world, leave the shelter of the Chantry to fight for that and what she believes in, and open herself up to the vulnerability of loving again. To me that serves to demonstrate a remarkable psychological resilience. Sure, she still has a lot of "risk factors" and emotional scars, but at least she has the courage to wear them on her sleeve. I think she deserves credit for that. Of  course, I am a Leli-fan so I suppose I'm biased.

She isn't coping with the world around her like Morrigan (not trying to start a feud over who's 'better.' just using her as a foil. I know Morri has her own score of issues). She's creating fantasy after fantasy and latching onto individuals hoping they'll heal whatever wounds she has. That's not healthy.

THAT is not fair.  She wasn't written to be like that, but yeh, her dialog IS bugged in many places.  Leliana was a bard -- an assassin and spy who was not above torture, manipulation, etc.  Then the tables got turned on her, and she was betrayed.  She sought redemption, but she was seeking that from before she met the warden.  She found peace in the chantry, boredom as well.

I never got the impression that she was dependent, though, nor weaving fantasies other than an unfortunate bug that caused her to ninja romance all females in one of the most heart-felt confessions of love you'll hear.  And it IS unfortunate because it does make her sound like a wingnut if you're not in a relationship with her.  But if Alistair or Zevran had the same bug, they'd sound just as nutty.

[KnightofPhoenix]

I somewhat agree with Mari actually, though perhaps wouldn't word it that way. I know the guardian may sound like a condescending ass, but I think he has a point vis a vis Leliana. I do believe that she, who was used to being loved and had her world abruptly turn on her, needed the affection of someone and in desperation turned to the Maker and convinced herself that he actually cares for her. And she seeks that affection with the Warden (sometimes the bug doesn't kick off, but Leliana still displays some jealousy, like questioning the wisdom of a leader caring for one, being Morrigan, more than the group).

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 23 septembre 2010 - 10:56 .