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[Shelondias]

You just listed the main point of having a rogue.
That and they will get you a good chunk of XP you would not be getting otherwise.

Modifié par Zondergrod, 23 septembre 2010 - 06:52 .

[termokanden]

As I posted in answer to your question in another thread, rogues also can have very high DPS.

Furthermore, combine high dex with combat stealth and you're hard to kill. There are so many fun things to do with stealth other than just recovering health. For example, stealth up to enemy mages before combat begins. Then use Dirty Fighting, Riposte, Punisher. They won't get to cast any spells.

What I noticed in my playthrough with a dex based rogue was that I did very high damage, comparable to my DW warrior (haven't really researched this too well though). Certainly I killed things very quickly. But I had much more survivability than with my warrior.

In a couple of tough battles, I just let my party die and soloed all the enemies with ease. They just could not kill me.

In Awakening, rogues become probably the hardest class to kill, but due to Spirit Warrior, warriors are far ahead in terms of DPS. But really that's not because the rogue class is bad, that's because Spirit Warrior is insanely overpowered.

Modifié par termokanden, 23 septembre 2010 - 07:19 .

[Elhanan]

More Skills for Rogues; major reason I prefer the class over Warriors. Rogues gain Skills every other lvl, where Wariors and Mages gain them every three lvls, I believe. These extra skills may be used to complete lines for Survival, Stealing, Poison, etc.

Then there is versatility. While the Warior waits in the safety of the hall, the Rogue is inside the room under Stealth, and clearing the large room of traps; all done while mapping locations of known opposition for the mages in the party. At least this is how it goes for a few locations seen in the game.

The Rogue can Stealth before the first major attack on the enemy, then if things do not go as planned, re-Stealth and change locations; dropping enemy attacks instantly. And while chests may not have key treasure, it certainly is nice to gain Deft Hands as a way to add a bonus in both gold and XP. If nothing else, these funds may pay for all those elfroots one may need to complete the other class builds.

[jrmunch]

I enjoy the stealth aspect of rogues the most. I like to start off a fight with the party parked a bit away and pop out of stealth to take down the mage, with the party running in just in time to save the rogue from being overwhelmed. So for me the point of the rogue is to have fun.

[TJPags]

Someone's got to open my chests. I know they never have anything unique, or even particularly great, but I HATE not being able to open something.

[Zy-El]

Backstabbing. Nobody here mentioned backstabbing. The Assassin spec greatly enhances a Rogue's backstab damage. Backstabs require that you position your Rogue behind the target and execute an auto-attack; the great benefit of this is that backstabs don't cost stamina. Rogues also have a lot of passive abilities - again at no stamina cost.

Combat Stealth (later Ghost) and Feign Death allow the Rogue to slip away from combat when they're near death. These methods are more reliable than the Warrior's Disengage talent.

Opening chests is necessary if you want to complete all the side quests.  A number of quests require items that are contained in locked chests.

Also, trap detection.  Rogues are good for detecting those cheap leg hold traps that leave your companions vulnerable while they do the "funky chicken".

Modifié par Zy-El, 24 septembre 2010 - 06:21 .

[termokanden]

That falls under my "high DPS" label.



An Assassin/Bard with Song of Courage and Momentum running is a DPS machine.



Song of Courage is actually so good that I always have at least one rogue in my party at all times just for that reason. Increases attack, damage and crit chance. So hey, even if you refuse to believe rogues have good DPS, there's another reason to have a rogue in your party.

[Ferretinabun]

Sex.

Zevran and Leliana are both up for it with anyone. So was my City Elf, come to think of it. Must be an essential criteria before you leave rogue-ing school.

[LadyJaneGrey]

Because you can summon an awesome bear and ride him into battle, singing and shooting arrows all the while...

Okay, not really, but it makes a great mental picture.  Any enemies would be too "???" to defend themselves against the party's attacks. 

[gnomon7]

The warrior paths offer distinctions between knocking guys down, knocking guys down with magic, and not being knocked down.



The rogue offers distinction between automatic crits for you, boosted crits for everyone, or summoning bears.

[Sinistrom]

LadyJaneGrey wrote...

Because you can summon an awesome bear and ride him into battle, singing and shooting arrows all the while...

Okay, not really, but it makes a great mental picture.  Any enemies would be too "???" to defend themselves against the party's attacks. 

.......

That would be the Best Fight Ever. Personaly I LOVE warriors, but the rouge give me a whole lot of experience that i would not have gained otherwis. Also, see above fight. Think about it. Think about it hard.

P.S. LadyJaneGrey, you have inspired me to make a Bard/Ranger (usually I just go for Assassin/Duelist) THANKS!

[TJPags]

LadyJaneGrey wrote...

Because you can summon an awesome bear and ride him into battle, singing and shooting arrows all the while...

Okay, not really, but it makes a great mental picture.  Any enemies would be too "???" to defend themselves against the party's attacks. 

Man, now I have thoughts of me and Oghren riding into battle, him on my Mabari, me on my summoned Bear!!!  That would be EPIC!!!!!!!!!!

At least, until Oghren falls off . . .  .

[LadyJaneGrey]

Sinistrom wrote...

LadyJaneGrey wrote...

Because you can summon an awesome bear and ride him into battle, singing and shooting arrows all the while...

Okay, not really, but it makes a great mental picture.  Any enemies would be too "???" to defend themselves against the party's attacks. 

.......

That would be the Best Fight Ever. Personaly I LOVE warriors, but the rouge give me a whole lot of experience that i would not have gained otherwis. Also, see above fight. Think about it. Think about it hard.

P.S. LadyJaneGrey, you have inspired me to make a Bard/Ranger (usually I just go for Assassin/Duelist) THANKS!

You're welcome.  I hope you like it...it's one of favorite combos. 

[Mister_Shepard]

Stealth, lethality, dirty fighting, Momentum, high dex and cunning make them uber deadly. Utilize these skills on backstab = super fast crits = death in seconds. Rogues can also be really good tanks if you have high dex. Just get the right equipment and your unstoppable.

I bought a dagger in Awakening called Voice of Velvet and now all my backstab crits are 200+... 200 fast crits!! MOMENTUM FTW!!!!

[Yrkoon]

Zy-El wrote...

Backstabbing. Nobody here mentioned backstabbing.

Yes.  You can ignore all the other benefits of a rogue and this would STILL make them worth while.

In fact, I just started a new Playthrough with a strength-build rogue 2-hander.  That's right, a 2-hander.  For no reason but to see how destructive he'll be later on when he's Backstabbing mobs with his Chasind Great maul and his 90+ strength.

[miltos33]

Because it is really cool to kill your enemies while dancing with 2 daggers in your hands.

[NoAngel89]

well the fact that warriors could be dual wielding warriors, was a unbalanced game dynamic to begin with, being able to fighting with smooth agility well being fully heavy warrior, and doing the most damage and attack inflicted in a short amount of time, with criticals, and being hard to kill was overkill, sure there was fatigue from heavy armor, but you still could attack fast, using a attack, even in low stamina. Compared to fighting with a long sword, or using shield for good defense, dual wielding was beast, even before I moded my game. A powerful class like that should of been kept for rogues, powerful fighters who should be vulnerable, to balance out the game. Some heavy weapons, sure they had critical, but duals warriors usually attributed most of the damage from the group. But keeping that in mind, why are rogues beast other than dising traps and locks. They still hold the most damage to give in a group anyway XD. In addition to their sub classes like assassin and dualist, gives them a bonus to critical and dexterity that makes them useful in any battle. How I set up my warrior, or any warrior I guess is that, the more dexterity you give a warrior, making them harder to get hit, while they can be more accurate where they attack there foes. Dual wielding is still costly on stamina. But with the other abilities rogues have, makes them second to mages, to have on the battle field. The only mistake to make is to have a dual wielding warrior, since they don't have that stuff, and instead have useless other fighting styles they will never use, other than the talents of their primarily class. Plus lol I usually don't like relaying on the other players to open something for me, makes you more of the leader, since you have the ablilty all the time to unlock traps and locks. But I guess some people like to give that talent to their other companions, since they don't want to waste their talent points for that. But either way, if you know how to play as a rogue, it can be really fun

[Ahzrei]

Acharnae wrote...

Really apart from opening locked chests/find traps, is there a meaning to their existance?
Warriors can do everything rogues do better it seems?

This not a troll and not intended as one.

Can your warrior do 450 damage backstabs?


I didn't think so.



Warriors don't do it better, you just don't know how to be a Rogue.

Modifié par Ahzrei, 26 septembre 2010 - 09:08 .

[Asepsis]

I like both classes, but rogues are awesome if you increase their dexterity/cunning. I played through as a rogue after my warrior and she was much better.

I LAWL at Loghain's reaction at the end, ha.

Modifié par Asepsis, 26 septembre 2010 - 02:41 .

[chefbobby203]

Mark of Death is cool too....

[Bratinov]

Late game rogues are superior to your average meat head warrior any day.

[termokanden]

But in Awakening, warriors get Spirit Warrior and they suddenly deal much more damage.



I think I've said this too many times now, but it still amazes me how overpowered this specialization is.