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[The Angry One]

PuffyTail wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

PuffyTail wrote...

All I have to say is that I hope Morrigan's ridiculous demon baby scenario isn't canon...

As do I.
But we both know it will be.

Yep and probably based off of the male PC, too.  Because heaven forbid you make the female PC be the canon background.

If they did that I'd have to stab them in bad places. Well I suppose one can't be stabbed in a good place. But still
Besides I don't think they'll do that. Chris Avellone works for Obsidian after all....

[challenger18]

Bioware hasn't done that in the past ... and by that I pretty much just mean judging from ME.

[The Angry One]

They did it in BG I believe, though that was about the only time BioWare's done it.

KotOR doesn't count because that was a decision made by some inbred hack at Lucasfilm and has no bearing on the games.

[Rhaeem]

Well I remember, reading that for the producers Morrigan represents well the multiple sides of moral and choices in the game. Her "baby demon" is a history with a lot of potential. Because it is not a demon properly, but an old god. However to make something like that cannon, is complicated. My personal opinion: Make it an option. Consider this, as expansion that continues the history. So for example should you be a mage and chose to die to kill de Archdemon (my choice), you begin the expansion as another mage that is your "fan" and so on. New Origins, for new heroes. Something like mass efect 2, information from the first game passes on to the second. So in one of the new origins you could met the old god child or even... be the child (since you can customize acording to the "father")

[Statulos]

The Angry One wrote...

They did it in BG I believe, though that was about the only time BioWare's done it.
KotOR doesn't count because that was a decision made by some inbred hack at Lucasfilm and has no bearing on the games.

When did the Baldur´s Gate novel (the official Forgotten Realms one) got published? Before or after the release of BG2?

I´m just asking for a very simple reason, the canon in FR states that Sarevok died (and with him a huge part of the Throne of Iron) and Abdel Adrian (the canonic name of the pc) was ultimately responsible for putting down the divine spark of Bhaaal effectively preventing the deity from returning. 

In a sense, BG series was "canon forced" by the fact that its background was not in the hands of bioware; just as KotOR.

[The Angry One]

Well I'm told that BG2 follows the forced canon in a similar manner as, say, Fallout 2 did. Unlike KotOR2 which follows no set canon.

But I don't know the specifics, if it was externally forced canon then we should have no fear of DA following in it's footsteps, "spiritual successor" or no. It's no wonder then that BioWare have gone with their own IPs with ME and DA, the outside interference with D&D and Star Wars must've been maddening.



This reminds me I still need to search for BG1&2 somewhere..

[Taleroth]

The Angry One wrote...

If they did that I'd have to stab them in bad places. Well I suppose one can't be stabbed in a good place. But still
Besides I don't think they'll do that. Chris Avellone works for Obsidian after all....

Obsidian didn't canonize Revan's gender.  The comic book writers did.  Obsidian left it variable in KOTOR 2 using a conversation with Atton.

Or are you talking about something else?

[cylriasilver]

If I had to assume I really doubt the dark pact will ever become both canon and a major part of any future DLC or sequel.



Those of us who hang out on these DA forums aren’t the typical player, and I’d bet the average player doesn’t play through a 40-60 hour game multiple times. DLC around Morrigan’s god child would only be interesting to those who selected that option. I really doubt we’ll see any “after the final battle” DLC because of the smaller potential customer base.



Unlike DLC, sequels are intended for new players as much as those who played the previous game. “Track down the girl you banged in the previous game” has no emotional involvement for new players as well as previous players who didn’t explore that ending.



I have no doubt that Morrigan will show up in a later DA game (probably with a kid), but any answers will probably be as vague as Flemmith’s age.

[The Angry One]

Taleroth wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

If they did that I'd have to stab them in bad places. Well I suppose one can't be stabbed in a good place. But still
Besides I don't think they'll do that. Chris Avellone works for Obsidian after all....

Obsidian didn't canonize Revan's gender.  The comic book writers did.  Obsidian left it variable in KOTOR 2 using a conversation with Atton.

Or are you talking about something else?

I'm well aware of that, I'm speaking of Chris Avellone's tendency to write male-biased roles in games, canonizing the vault dweller as male in Fallout 2 for example, and PS:T, and Alpha Brotocol.

[Taleroth]

The Angry One wrote...

I'm well aware of that, I'm speaking of Chris Avellone's tendency to write male-biased roles in games, canonizing the vault dweller as male in Fallout 2 for example, and PS:T, and Alpha Brotocol.

Yeah, but...

I got nothing.  I guess I can't argue that point.  You win this round.

[circa89]

Precisely why I told her to get lost. Am I REALLY supposed to believe that psychopath wouldn't abuse that thing's power? I romanced her and it wasn't worth it at all, all I got was several asswhoopings by Flemeth. My advice, ignore Morrigan, she is entirely unworthy if only because of this end game hellspawn baby BS. I BUILT my party around her supporting spells, and now I can't use her in the final battle. That's really irritating. I mean, sure, I could let her unleash this demon upon the world but like I said I wouldn't trust her with it. It's like those Christmas critters in South Park, they may look cute but God forbid you give them the chance to actually try to raise a child. This is a rant, yes, but come on really why is all my effort with Morrigan for naught? Must I really bring this monster into the world to keep her? And then I STILL lose her? All that romancing for nothing! What a total ****!

Okay... so that was very riddled with RP rage. Back to reality, it would've been nice to know she would turn on you with some sort of foreshadowing so I would not have killed Wynne in the Tower and forgone any other mages availble.

[Tianwyn]

The Angry One wrote...

Well I'm told that BG2 follows the forced canon in a similar manner as, say, Fallout 2 did. Unlike KotOR2 which follows no set canon.
But I don't know the specifics, if it was externally forced canon then we should have no fear of DA following in it's footsteps, "spiritual successor" or no. It's no wonder then that BioWare have gone with their own IPs with ME and DA, the outside interference with D&D and Star Wars must've been maddening.

This reminds me I still need to search for BG1&2 somewhere..

The only canon that is forced upon the player in BG2 is that the game assumes you had certain people in your party at the end of the last game.  Somewhat annoying for some, but with so many possible NPC combos in BG1, I actually don't see much of a way around it.  Thankfully, they never forced a gender on the PC.

I know that a lot of Wikis say the BG novels were canon . . . but 95+% of BG fans hate it with great passion.  So, most of the player base does not consider Abduh . . . I mean, Abdel, to be the canon PC.  Or any of the other ridiculous things that happened in the books to be canon.

[Gold Dragon]

I'm also not certain that all that about the Old god was even real. She might just kill the child shortly after birth. AND not wanting the PC/Alistair knowing about it.

[Steel Majere343]

Tonya777 wrote...

Personally I think that Morrigan might raise her freakish ultra baby and then later in some DLC thing she might become obsessed with power and try to take over the world with the help of her super kid or something
I don't see where else they could be going with that really

i think a lot of people have a very important fact mixed up, which is that she actually doesnt what the old gods corrupted soul, when the soul goes into the baby it become pure, so basically shes got a pure gods soul in that baby, which means its not really a "demons spawn" (as most call it) at all, its more embued then anything.

Due to the ending i believe she just wants flemmeth to leave her the hell alone, and maybe she wanted her offspring to be incredibly strong, she wouldnt be the first, or she could be using it for personal gains, but i doubt that seeing as how (if you get her to fall for you) she truly starts to love the warden and half of this idea seems to spring from her just wanting him alive.

[Steel Majere343]

circa89 wrote...

Precisely why I told her to get lost. Am I REALLY supposed to believe that psychopath wouldn't abuse that thing's power? I romanced her and it wasn't worth it at all, all I got was several asswhoopings by Flemeth. My advice, ignore Morrigan, she is entirely unworthy if only because of this end game hellspawn baby BS. I BUILT my party around her supporting spells, and now I can't use her in the final battle. That's really irritating. I mean, sure, I could let her unleash this demon upon the world but like I said I wouldn't trust her with it. It's like those Christmas critters in South Park, they may look cute but God forbid you give them the chance to actually try to raise a child. This is a rant, yes, but come on really why is all my effort with Morrigan for naught? Must I really bring this monster into the world to keep her? And then I STILL lose her? All that romancing for nothing! What a total ****!

Okay... so that was very riddled with RP rage. Back to reality, it would've been nice to know she would turn on you with some sort of foreshadowing so I would not have killed Wynne in the Tower and forgone any other mages availble.

well you could convince someone else to have her baby, therefore keeping her, BUT if your intent upon making yourself the sacrifice yes you will lose her before the final battle. but youv got your armies for most of those fights, the ones that you dont you can get by without healing for that final onslaught. just focus on damage a lot.

[ironysteeth]

Wow. I really dont know who to feel offended for. Stephen King's Tower series Has a group of adventurers where one guy does it with the chick, there's a baby, and the baby becomes an enemy (also has deep demonic undertones).



Also sounds like the king arthur story of him fathering a child and the child being raised by a sorceress to later become his enemy.



I havent actually played through the game all the way, but come on. You are joking that bioware pulled this right?

[Saurel]

ironysteeth wrote...


I havent actually played through the game all the way, but come on. You are joking that bioware pulled this right?

Sadly...no

[Saurel]

A Golden Dragon wrote...

I'm also not certain that all that about the Old god was even real. She might just kill the child shortly after birth. AND not wanting the PC/Alistair knowing about it.

Sadly I could see Morrigan pulling a Flemeth and possesing the kid to get their power when they reach a certain age.

[Mikazukinoyaiba2]

I guess I'm in the minority, thinking that Morrigan doesn't have some super secret evil plot and is instead more interested in restoring order by reviving one of the Old Gods.



Regarding religion in DA, it seems a lot of them are false either by historical inaccuracies misintentionally made or intentional deceptions and "retellings" of historical events. Like Andraste for example, I doubted her existence until I found the Urn of Sacred Ashes but even then I suspected (It is impossible for both the Elven gods and this Maker to have been real), and Morrigan's critque of religion may stem less from skepticism and more from her idea of the true history of this world.

[Statulos]

The idea of Morrigan as an evemerist is certainly attractive, but a bit heavy handed.

[Sylixe]

I am gonna go with Morrigan just created another Flemyth basically.  It would explain how flemyth was so powerful, old and understood the Darkspawn.

[Arijharn]

Even if it was an optional event, there is really nothing that prevents Bioware to make it canon in any case other than perhaps customer dis-satisfaction with the writing?



Even the sacrifice option isn't necessarily the end, for all we know you could be trapped in the fade as a form of purgatory.

[circa89]

Hey, quick question, if you kill Flemeth, do you get a different reaction out of Morrigan? She never asked about Flemeth's death when I just bargained with Flemeth for the tome.

[Driveninhifi]

Well, we don't know where the story will go. I doubt it will be as simple as Morrigan == evil, mwhahaha. Making her purely one-dimensional and interested in her solely own self-agrandizement doesn't really fit. If they do go that way, then yes, all the eye-rolling in the world is justified.



However, we've seen nothing to indicate that will be the case and it's much more interesting to place the player into a predicament where he/she has to choose between the Morrigan/baby and something else.

[Squiggles1334]

Sylixe wrote...

I am gonna go with Morrigan just created another Flemyth basically.  It would explain how flemyth was so powerful, old and understood the Darkspawn.

What? Flemeth as a reincarnated god of beauty? No way...

Poor Alistair. First forced into a kingship he didn't want, then betrothed to a queen who obviously has no love whatsoever for him, then set up in a craftily arranged hatesex deflowering with Morrigan. I think I've completely sabotaged his love life. I was such a jerk to him in those last moments, and yet he was still calling me a true friend and all that. What a man, taking it again, and again, and again for the team!