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[Tilarta]

I don't know if it's addressed anywhere else, but in Retribution, Grayson wonders if the Asari's asthethic appeal is an illusion created by their ability to influence the minds of others.

But to me, this isn't a realistic concept, for one very simple reason.

When the Asari becomes unconscious or deceased, they would be unable to continue the illusion and their physical appearance would be unmasked.

When Liselle is hit with the sedative darts, Grayson doesn't see anything about her change.

A similar principle would apply to all the Asari enemies you kill during battle.

[AdamNW]

Considering no other species makes any mention of Asari looking like their species, the theory doesn't make sense to begin with.

[Liec]

Tilarta wrote...

When the Asari becomes unconscious or deceased, they would be unable to continue the illusion and their physical appearance would be unmasked.

Well, the derelict Reaper continued to indoctinate long after it died, didn't it? 

[PWENER]

Check the Illium bachelor party.



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[praetor_alpha]

see:

Modifié par praetor_alpha, 24 septembre 2010 - 04:08 .

[yummysoap]

Ahem.

The asari silhouette in chora's den is human-shaped. The armour and clothing asari wear are human. When an asari dies, they still look human. When Shepard was totally feeling up Liara and the Consort, he felt their bodies and could see well and clear that it's not an illusion, unless they can also shapeshift.

And even despite all that, there's no way in hell the asari could have an entire galaxy fooled over something like this for the thousands of years they've been space-faring. You're saying not a single one asari let it slipped? Or noticed that different species are seeing different things when they look at her?

So, if Bioware even think about canonizing this ridiculous theory I am going to nerd rage. Vigorously.

Modifié par yummysoap, 24 septembre 2010 - 04:17 .

[StarcloudSWG]

Perception is a very 'open' word. It doesnt' just include sight, sound, touch, smell and taste, but also emotions, feelings, and attitudes.



Asari look exactly like they appear. But they can and do influence others, altering their perceptions of the Asari in non-obvious ways.



Aria: "I took advantage of some.. skills.. my people don't like to talk about."

[leggywillow]

The bachelor party does NOT count as evidence... that's a bunch of guys drinking and chatting.  I shudder to think of all the horrifying realities that would exist if all the rambling theories of drunk guys were true.

This cut dialogue from the Presidium groundskeeper is probably more correct:
http://www.youtube.c...2/9/mGKQhuDW6B4

He says "You're a female right?  You have those funny bumps, like an asari" and mentions not liking to dance with asari because their "funny bumps" get in the way.  That doesn't sound like he thinks the asari look just like female turians, does it?

[Liec]

leggywillow wrote...

This cut dialogue from the Presidium groundskeeper is probably more correct:
http://www.youtube.c...2/9/mGKQhuDW6B4

He says "You're a female right?  You have those funny bumps, like an asari" and mentions not liking to dance with asari because their "funny bumps" get in the way.  That doesn't sound like he thinks the asari look just like female turians, does it?

Maybe that's why they cut it. 

[Fishy]

AwesomeEffect2 wrote...

AdamNW wrote...

 the theory doesn't make sense to begin with.

I thought of this as well.
But hey, don't forget that ME has awful logic and some bad science. It could be true, you know.

Angry Fan - LAWL , everyone speak english in Mass Effect!
Bioware Dev - They use a translator!
Angry Fan - So they have a NightClub named AFTERLIFE(Very human like name) . Do they use translator also for their music?
Bioware Dev :No Data Available
Angry fan: What about Keelah?
Bioware Dev:The translator translate the translation
Angry Fan : Yeah right / You're making thing up
Bioware Dev:Sure it's my creation .. It's Fiction

[Moiaussi]

Suprez30 wrote...

Angry Fan - LAWL , everyone speak english in Mass Effect!
Bioware Dev - They use a translator!
Angry Fan - So they have a NightClub named AFTERLIFE(Very human like name) . Do they use translator also for their music?
Bioware Dev :No Data Available
Angry fan: What about Keelah?
Bioware Dev:The translator translate the translation
Angry Fan : Yeah right / You're making thing up
Bioware Dev:Sure it's my creation .. It's Fiction

Keelah might not be translated for the simple reason that it has been heard so often that it is adpoted into common speach, in the same way all languages borrow from each other. As for Afterlife, HUDs can translate written languages. Musical lyrics are definately translatable. I don't recall hearing any lyrics though.

[only1sgop]

praetor_alpha wrote...

see:

These guys should get a cameo spot at the bar when the reaper comes to town. It will be like the old guys at the bar in Cowboy Bebop. (Hopefully someone gets this reference)

[Inquisitor Recon]

For years I have pointed to the asari mind-control conspiracy, but nobody listened! Now it may be too late. Salarians find them attractive, ask Mordin. Proof!

[Gibb_Shepard]

I doubt they do. Mainly because of the turain groundskeeper who says asari have funny bumps (blue ******), which turian women don't have. The krogan on the citadel who wants to eat the fish talks about how the asari are squishy, and krogans are not, so the krogan wouldn't be seeing asari as a krogan replicant.

[Ragnarok521]

I really don't think there's any credence to that idea. As far as I know the only mention of that theory is those guys at the bachelor party on Illium, and I wouldn't take that as a reliable source of accurate info.

Besides, for a multitude of other reasons mentioned previously by others, it just doesn't make sense. I wonder if the developers at Bioware knew this little joke would be discussed so often and some would take the idea seriously.

Modifié par Ragnarok521, 24 septembre 2010 - 06:11 .

[Inquisitor Recon]

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

I doubt they do. Mainly because of the turain groundskeeper who says asari have funny bumps (blue ******), which turian women don't have. The krogan on the citadel who wants to eat the fish talks about how the asari are squishy, and krogans are not, so the krogan wouldn't be seeing asari as a krogan replicant.

All lies you see. That krogan was simply strong enough to resist the mind-influencing effects. And the groundskeeper has always been a bit "off" in the head. Also I demand turian women be hot and have boobs. Pervert Shepard approves.
Look at the consort. Mind control, I'm telling you. She raped Shepard after all, and Shepard rapes people, not the other way around.

[Spornicus]

They just have features that every species can relate to. OR, they give off some kind of pheromone that makes them irresistible to all species.

[Zan Mura]

They have no reality bending powers for certain, whatever influence they could have over the chemistry of our brains would not apply over video feed or on VI / AI for instance. Plus if BW suddenly claimed the asari were mind-controlling illusionists and instead of what we think they look like, they look like something else entirely... people would just laugh at them at this point. It goes against any believable, good storytelling. So no, the whole thought here makes no sense at all. The asari are as they look, blue humanoids.

As for other powers, suggestive abilities and possibly psychic talents, they are another matter entirely. Though in Aria's case I never took her to mean any kind of hidden powers. They just used their feminine wiles, in a very direct and intimate manner. Perhaps some suggestion ability was implied or needed, but I don't think it was anything remarkably different from that.

[Esbatty]

Morinth, an Ardat-Yakshi, seemed to have a very strong ability on the weak minded like a Jedi-mind trick but less trick and more rape.



In ME1 they mention Benezia's mere presence on Noveria set almost every dude (human and non) into some kinda sexual overdrive, but it was dismissed as being purely out of the alleged sexual permissiveness of the Asari.

[StarcloudSWG]

Mordin: "Odd feelings around Asari. Reminders of old fertility contract negotiations. Curious."

There is a subtle effect they have on those around them, the hints are all over both games. But this is a *subtle*
effect, and not something that has any combat use, so Bioware doesn't bother to put it in as an ability.

And Aria has *two* lines she uses. One is "And his men were accustomed to certain benefits of working with Asari." This is the one referring to more mundane means of persuasion. The other is "I took advantage of certain.. abilities.. my people don't like to talk about." This is the one referring to the stuff Asari don't like to talk about, because talking about it invariably ends up with ignorant people shouting "Down with the mind controllers!"

Modifié par StarcloudSWG, 24 septembre 2010 - 07:35 .

[FuturePasTimeCE]

so a asari can generate a matrix effect with people's mind in reality? looking all human like or something instead of like a smurf? like a biotic illusion mirage... creating sometype of hologram interface with their ionic-photon hybrid projectory of natural elements that they're born of containing called element zero which affects their nervous system thus giving them extra-perception abilities?

man, asari's are highly fascinating... would totally like learning about them if they were real... sheperd should make a asari his yeoman/personal advisor/cultural advisor/private entourage...

asari's, vulcans/elves, humans are fascinating.

Modifié par FuturePasTimeCE, 24 septembre 2010 - 07:46 .

[Tilarta]

The Derelict Reaper wasn't actually dead, certain mechanisms inside it were still powered, although functioning at a minimal level. Obviously, the indoctrination switch was still online.



And Indoctrination is a completely different process.

It requires forcibly altering patterns of thinking and doesn't need the presence of the Reaper to maintain it after completion.



Yes, the Asari do have an acknowledged ability to connect to the minds of others, but apparently this only works through direct contact. And according to what Liara says, even with a willing participant, a basic level contact cannot be maintained for too long, because the mind of the person they are contacting fights against the intruder.



I'm assuming what Aria is referring to is the ability of the Asari to stimulate the nervous system of their mating partners. Maybe she learned to use it as a weapon somehow. Give someone a "high" if you get close enough to touch them and it's easy to kill or defeat them.

[Dean_the_Young]

Flies_by_Handles wrote...

I think their universal appeal has less to do with their physical appearance and more to do with some gentle, mental persuasion and uh, maybe with a bit of pheromones thrown into the mix. This reminds me of a Star Wars novel about a lizard man (can't remember his name) having power over Leia because of his irresistible pheromones. >_<

Prince Xixor (or something like that), the Black Sun crime lord in Shadows of the Empire, between Empire Strikes back and Return of the Jedi. Alien race with pheremones and slight mental abilities.


Mordin has speculated that all species find Asari attractive because of such a pheremone, but Asari being able to mind-control others has never really had much position. Even Samara says that Morinth's persuasive abilities are merely great acting abilities, not magic or drugging.