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[Razor_Zeng]

Tilarta wrote...

I don't know if it's addressed anywhere else, but in Retribution, Grayson wonders if the Asari's asthethic appeal is an illusion created by their ability to influence the minds of others.

But to me, this isn't a realistic concept, for one very simple reason.

When the Asari becomes unconscious or deceased, they would be unable to continue the illusion and their physical appearance would be unmasked.

When Liselle is hit with the sedative darts, Grayson doesn't see anything about her change.

A similar principle would apply to all the Asari enemies you kill during battle.

When a Asari truely dies it reverts back to its true form .. the Yagh. Liselle was only half dead until Aria found her then she fully died .. *cough*

Thats why in LOTSB the SB gets upset, Liara stops him/her making Shep think she looks like a blue skinned female with bumps in all the right places.

[anmiro]

Grayson was a former member of Cerberus and was still struggling with some preconceived notions about the alien races. Combine that with the fact that he was living on Omega and was still being pursued by his former employer and it becomes pretty clear that he was just being paranoid.

[Lucky Thirteen]

Well I said it when I first over heard the funny bachelor party on Illium, and I'll say it again here.



If the asari were doing that, they'd all look like sexy, muscular, blue men for straight women. Which for me, would make me much happier when the camera does one of those close up panes over their bodies or when I see them dancing on tables with their butts hanging out.



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[ValerioN7]

The Asari form is the same for all species, maybe every species want to see something similar to the Asari, because of a natural istinct. But they're really similar to the humans, i think.

[Christmas Ape]

They're all natural biotics, yes? This means, universally, element zero nodules in their nervous system.

What single portion of the Derelict Reaper was fully functional? The mass effect core.



It's just a very gentle, very slight indoctrination, which I remain convinced is a side effect of sapient proximity to mass effect fields. "I am not a threat to you; I am pleasing to your senses". They're no shape-changers, it's just...comfortable to be around asari.

[PsyrenY]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Pheremones?

People here do realize that pheremones activate receptors that are very species-specific, right?

Presumably, a species' nervous system is ALSO specific to that species, no? Yet Asari can interface with ALL of them. So why is the idea of producing pheremones that do the exact same thing so farfetched to you?

Snowship wrote...

Shhhh...
Don't bring reality into it!

It's NOT "realism." It's verisimilitude. AKA, in-universe consistency. Two very different concepts.

[Voutsis1982]

I can tell you what Bioware's explanation will be:

See that steaming hot Asari on the dance floor? She's not generating a hypnotic field to trick you into thinking she's a gorgeous blue version of your species' child-bearing gender. You are. Your brain is doing all the heavy lifting. Your eyes see an object called "Asari". Your brain re-organizes that object into what your conscious mind recognizes as Asari. Doesn't matter if it's living or dead, a vid or a hologram or a cardboard cutout, you see blue hotness because by now your brain is used to processing Asari that way. As with many illusions it's successful because while the illusionst begins the trick, the observer does the rest of the work fooling themselves.

Oh, the other explanation is:

What? What? Why are you wasting my time with this?

[AdamNW]

Or maybe their explanation will be that it would be too complicated to make the inner-workings of Asari fit into the game.

[lovgreno]

I got the impression that the asaris high skills in manipulating people was rather good old fashioned social skills due to their culture, high intelligence and long lifespan.

[Tilarta]

Well, I think the Asari reproducing with other species is more easily explainable then the "so called mental illusion".



There's lots of references to Asari being some kind of "universal species". They can mate with any species and incorporate the DNA into their offspring. Presumably this means they have "universal pheromones" as well, which could affect any species.



And certain laws of DNA have to be obeyed. Just because a species evolves on a far away planet and looks completely different doesn't mean there isn't a base DNA that is common to both species.

[StarcloudSWG]

"Aliens don't always get that we're not actually taking any DNA from them, we're just using it to randomize our own."

[adam_grif]

1. The Asari are stupid on so many levels that "many different species are attracted to them" is the least of their stupid unexplainable nonsense.



2. This could easily be explained away if members of other species were often attracted to species not their own. In Mass Effect 2 alone we have Drell / Human, Quarian / Human and Turian / Human romances, in addition to the Asari / Human from the first game. We also have a Turian / Quarian pairing from the club on Omega. Krogan / Asari can just be handwaved away as something very rare, in the same way humans get fetishes for horses and donkeys and crap like that on Earth sometimes, despite being universally unattractive to normal human beings.



There is NO NEED to explain this as something special. Asari are culturally encouraged to go around banging members of other species, and this can explain why they seem content to hook up with other species as often as they are with their own.



3. Bioware wanted space babes. They pretty clearly look like humans, because they were hand-tailored by the sinister puppet masters at bioware to be sexually appealing to sweaty 15 year old fatty nerds, who they seem to think like green skinned space babes or some crap. Whatever. James Cameron did the same thing with Avatar recently.

[Killjoy Cutter]

yorkj86 wrote...

Their ability to "influence" people comes solely from their pheromones which are apparently sexually pleasing to all species and sexes therein. That's it.

At the risk of repeating myself, PHEREMONES DO NOT WORK THAT WAY. 

Unless a species has a receptor for the particular molecule, a pheremone just stink or nothing. 

[Killjoy Cutter]

lovgreno wrote...

I got the impression that the asaris high skills in manipulating people was rather good old fashioned social skills due to their culture, high intelligence and long lifespan.

WINNER WINNER...

[Killjoy Cutter]

Optimystic_X wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Pheremones?

People here do realize that pheremones activate receptors that are very species-specific, right?

Presumably, a species' nervous system is ALSO specific to that species, no? Yet Asari can interface with ALL of them. So why is the idea of producing pheremones that do the exact same thing so farfetched to you?

Snowship wrote...

Shhhh...
Don't bring reality into it!

It's NOT "realism." It's verisimilitude. AKA, in-universe consistency. Two very different concepts.

BINGO.

As for the issue of linking nervous systems, it works if the other species has a nervous system based on leaky electrical impulses.  That's not something that works in quite the lock-and-key manner of a pheremone.

[Skyblade012]

yorkj86 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

yorkj86 wrote...

Their ability to "influence" people comes solely from their pheromones which are apparently sexually pleasing to all species and sexes therein. That's it.

At the risk of repeating myself, PHEREMONES DO NOT WORK THAT WAY. 

Unless a species has a receptor for the particular molecule, a pheremone just stink or nothing. 

Soft-science-fiction does work that way.

Um, no, it doesn't.  MORDIN SAYS THAT THE MULTI-SPECIES ATTRACTION TO ASARI IS NOT CAUSED BY PHEREMONES.

Sorry, I'm sick of repeating myself.

The only time pheremones are mentioned in conjunction with the Asari is during Mordin's little talk about Shepard, when he is explaining that other species have been attracted to him in the past.  The line is this:

"Asari offers intriguing, actually.  Wonder why.  Transspecies pheremones unlikely to work.  Must be neurochemical."

Since the only mention is by an expert in genetics, and he claims it's probably not pheremones, I'm going to trust him over your insistence.

Modifié par Skyblade012, 26 septembre 2010 - 05:45 .

[Skyblade012]

Grayson was a Cerberus operative, and a pilot. Mordin is a genetics expert. Which would you trust on a medical matter? A pilot's suspicion, or a genetecist's statement?



Besides, Ascension and Revelation are non-canon, and I'd guess Retribution is too.



And, yeah, the direction BioWare had in mind for Asari is not exactly subtle. Not that it matters much?

[Killjoy Cutter]

yorkj86 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

yorkj86 wrote...

Their ability to "influence" people comes solely from their pheromones which are apparently sexually pleasing to all species and sexes therein. That's it.

At the risk of repeating myself, PHEREMONES DO NOT WORK THAT WAY. 

Unless a species has a receptor for the particular molecule, a pheremone just stink or nothing. 

Soft-science-fiction does work that way.

The conceits of the ME setting are largely physics-based, not biology-based. 

Don't think that because a setting has ONE kind of impossible or unlikely thing, it must then allow all kinds of impossible or unlikely things.

[Killjoy Cutter]

As others have said, it's a combination of their reputation, their skill, their behavior, and a massive case of projection on the part of members of other species.

Modifié par Killjoy Cutter, 26 septembre 2010 - 06:22 .

[Vamp-Willow]

Spornicus wrote...

They just have features that every species can relate to. OR, they give off some kind of pheromone that makes them irresistible to all species.

They're females (kind of) that are willing to sleep with anyone, no matter the gender or species... enough said...

Seriously, I always took the party scene as a bit tongue in
cheek humor, nothing more, like others said the secret would be out by now.
Also for a more scientific reasoning video recordings and such would show there
true forms.

Modifié par Vamp-Willow, 26 septembre 2010 - 06:28 .