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[PsyrenY]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

As for the issue of linking nervous systems, it works if the other species has a nervous system based on leaky electrical impulses.  That's not something that works in quite the lock-and-key manner of a pheremone.

Asari have skeleton keys.

Consider this - they can know what your species (in a general sense) finds attractive. They can then produce a neurochemical (to use Mordin's phrase) that fits that overalll mold.

It is not a perfect process - not every member of every species finds Asari attractive. But it is widespread enough that Asari dancers, salespeople, diplomats, therapists etc. enjoy universal appeal.

[Spitfire80]

Actually, the strongest Asari Biotic ever born, sits on a golden throne that allows her to broadcast a telepathic signal across the galaxy to affect the minds of the lesser races.

[lovgreno]

Spitfire80 wrote...

Actually, the strongest Asari Biotic ever born, sits on a golden throne that allows her to broadcast a telepathic signal across the galaxy to affect the minds of the lesser races.

I guess that empress is also who are keeping the reapers in darkspace where they cant harm us?

[GodWood]

I can't believe people still persist on this theory.

The bachelor party thing was a joke.

Grayson was trying to rationalize his attraction.



Theres no conspiracy behind it.

[Sajuro]

Spitfire80 wrote...

Actually, the strongest Asari Biotic ever born, sits on a golden throne that allows her to broadcast a telepathic signal across the galaxy to affect the minds of the lesser races.

And Shepard will sleep with her in ME3

[betd2]

Sajuro wrote...

Spitfire80 wrote...

Actually, the strongest Asari Biotic ever born, sits on a golden throne that allows her to broadcast a telepathic signal across the galaxy to affect the minds of the lesser races.

And Shepard will sleep with her in ME3

Only after a fight to the death with the biotic god.

[anmiro]

Why would the books be non canon? Drew Karpyshyn was the lead writer of ME1 and all the books. Revelation is heavily referenced in ME1, as is Ascension in ME2. He was not the lead writer of ME2 because he has taken the lead for SW:TOR, but he is still involved.

[anmiro]

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Modifié par anmiro, 27 septembre 2010 - 12:28 .

[Killjoy Cutter]

Optimystic_X wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

As for the issue of linking nervous systems, it works if the other species has a nervous system based on leaky electrical impulses.  That's not something that works in quite the lock-and-key manner of a pheremone.

Asari have skeleton keys.

Consider this - they can know what your species (in a general sense) finds attractive. They can then produce a neurochemical (to use Mordin's phrase) that fits that overalll mold.

It is not a perfect process - not every member of every species finds Asari attractive. But it is widespread enough that Asari dancers, salespeople, diplomats, therapists etc. enjoy universal appeal.

And these "neurochemicals"... affect others how?  Are they secreted and absorbed through skin?  Airborne?  They work through telecommications, still images, environmental seals, etc? 

[PsyrenY]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

And these "neurochemicals"... affect others how?  Are they secreted and absorbed through skin?  Airborne?  They work through telecommications, still images, environmental seals, etc? 

It was a hypothesis from Mordin, not my own. I already posted my explanation.

[TuringPoint]

Tilarta wrote...

I don't know if it's addressed anywhere else, but in Retribution, Grayson wonders if the Asari's asthethic appeal is an illusion created by their ability to influence the minds of others.

But to me, this isn't a realistic concept, for one very simple reason.

When the Asari becomes unconscious or deceased, they would be unable to continue the illusion and their physical appearance would be unmasked.

When Liselle is hit with the sedative darts, Grayson doesn't see anything about her change.

A similar principle would apply to all the Asari enemies you kill during battle.

Grayson has memories;  those memories are entangled with her appeal, whether that's some sort of influence or not.

[Dave of Canada]

anmiro wrote...

Why would the books be non canon? Drew Karpyshyn was the lead writer of ME1 and all the books. Revelation is heavily referenced in ME1, as is Ascension in ME2. He was not the lead writer of ME2 because he has taken the lead for SW:TOR, but he is still involved.

It's fairly difficult to take it seriously when the events have trouble happening in my reality.

[Skyblade012]

anmiro wrote...

Why would the books be non canon? Drew Karpyshyn was the lead writer of ME1 and all the books. Revelation is heavily referenced in ME1, as is Ascension in ME2. He was not the lead writer of ME2 because he has taken the lead for SW:TOR, but he is still involved.

There are two reasons they are considered non-canon.  First, the codex describes them as novels written by Karpyshyn.

Dictionary.com wrote...

Novel:
a fictitious prose narrative of considerable length and complexity, portraying characters and usually presenting a sequential organization of action and scenes.

an extended work in prose, either fictitious or partly so, dealing with character, action, thought, etc, esp in the form of a story

Reason two is that the books contain events that did not happen in playthroughs of the game, and the game is the ultimate canon here.  For example, in Retribution, Udina is the human councilor.



Oh, and, FYI, both Revelation and Ascension were written after ME1, and ME1 did not reference them at all.  They took things that were mentioned in ME1 and included them in Revelation to increase vermisilitude.  Nothing more.

[Killjoy Cutter]

Optimystic_X wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

And these "neurochemicals"... affect others how?  Are they secreted and absorbed through skin?  Airborne?  They work through telecommications, still images, environmental seals, etc? 

It was a hypothesis from Mordin, not my own. I already posted my explanation.

Then you're the one I said won the thread back when you posted that.  That's the perfect anology for what's going on with the Asari, when combined their reputation, experience, and talents.

[anmiro]

Skyblade012 wrote...

anmiro wrote...

Why would the books be non canon? Drew Karpyshyn was the lead writer of ME1 and all the books. Revelation is heavily referenced in ME1, as is Ascension in ME2. He was not the lead writer of ME2 because he has taken the lead for SW:TOR, but he is still involved.

There are two reasons they are considered non-canon.  First, the codex describes them as novels written by Karpyshyn.

Dictionary.com wrote...

Novel:
a fictitious prose narrative of considerable length and complexity, portraying characters and usually presenting a sequential organization of action and scenes.

an extended work in prose, either fictitious or partly so, dealing with character, action, thought, etc, esp in the form of a story

Reason two is that the books contain events that did not happen in playthroughs of the game, and the game is the ultimate canon here.  For example, in Retribution, Udina is the human councilor.



Oh, and, FYI, both Revelation and Ascension were written after ME1, and ME1 did not reference them at all.  They took things that were mentioned in ME1 and included them in Revelation to increase vermisilitude.  Nothing more.

It should be noted that neither Anderson or Udina are ever identified as Ambassadors or as Council Members. All you know is that they are both working on the Citadel. There is nothing in any of the books that conflict with story of the games.

As you pointed out,  Ascension was written after ME1 and it is referenced in ME2. The attack by Cerberus on the Qurian Flotilla is mentioned by both Tali and Jacob.

As for the Codex files, I always assumed they were put in the game simply for advertisement purposes. The idea that these books exist in the ME Universe as novels is pretty ridiculous. I don't think the Illusive Man would appreciate this guy publishing stories that shed any light on his operation. Or that the Council would want people reading about the coming invasion of the Reapers. 

The real test of canon or non canon will come in ME3. Kahlee Sanders is a character from the 1st book and Anderson has asked her for help against the Reapers. If she appears as a character in the game, it should put this whole argument to rest.

Modifié par anmiro, 27 septembre 2010 - 09:39 .

[PsyrenY]

The existence of the novels themselves in-universe is not canon (Their presence on the terminal is a marketing ploy, nothing more); the contents within them are, imo.