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Where are all the other Spectres?


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Dean_the_Young

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Well, it's not so much that Udina revokes Spectres, but doesn't issue them out often (if at all) anymore.



Which I think is a really, really good idea in the long run.

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Commander Gonzalez wrote...

I think it would be awesome if in Mass Effect 3, we got to recruit spectres.

pure awesomeness... dude there should be a mass effect 2 dlc about a spectre mission...

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Dean_the_Young wrote...
Well, while I agree with the sentiment, the Citadel has a population of 13.2 million.

13,200,000

Not

X,000,000,000,000

Big difference there. Like, nearly 76 thousand times.


Sigh. I've already corrected that.
My point still stands - there are plenty of people in Council Space (never mind the Galaxy at large) - Spectres are likely spread thin. Encountering just one other, never mind a bunch, is going to be rare.

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After LotSB, I get a funny feeling that we are going to see several Spectres in the ME3 coming after the Shepard who is consider a rogue spectre with the death of Vasir.

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Well considering that there are only about a one hundred Specters we've seen 4 of them so far and 3 are now permanently dead and even the 1 died as well. So why should we see more of them? They just die so quickly.

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And still, people are defending the lack of interesting Spectre encounters!

What's become of you, fellow forumites? Have you forgotten that meeting other Spectres is awesome? So awesome that whether it's probable or not is totally irrelevant?

You think it's "probable" that everybody knows everybody in ME? Probable Samara knew Nihlus? That you meet Liara's father at a bar? That Mordin knows Kirrahe?

Give me more Spectres!! You can't break the probability rule with other characters and not break it for me!!


Spectres for squadmates in ME3!!!!!!!!

I'm honestly surprised that that hasn't been said yet, or that if it was said that I missed it.

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Where are all the other Spectres?


Probably dancing around a campfire and singing "Kumbaya" and refusing to move their lazy a**es to help, along with all the other non-slaughtered Grey Wardens from DAO and all the other Jedi from KOTOR.

Saving the world alone is a b*tch.

Modifié par Pedrak, 24 septembre 2010 - 04:05 .


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I'll admit that my reaction upon meeting the Spectre in LotSB was 'oh great, she's gonna be evil isn't she'. It never actually occurred to me that we might meet a friendly Spectre, because I just don't think it would suit the game.

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Godeskian wrote...

I'll admit that my reaction upon meeting the Spectre in LotSB was 'oh great, she's gonna be evil isn't she'. It never actually occurred to me that we might meet a friendly Spectre, because I just don't think it would suit the game.


I was sort of disappointed that she was confrontational.  My guess most spectres are of the renegade mold willing to accept some collateral damage in the pursuit of the greater good.

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Alliance intelligence estimates that there are less than a hundred Spectres in total. They should be rare.

Eldareus wrote...

 My guess most spectres are of the
renegade mold willing to accept some collateral damage in the pursuit of
the greater good.


Of-course they are. Look at a
Spectre's mandate and recall everything the Council and Nihlus tell you
in ME1. Remember that Saren was their top agent and he was every bit as
ruthless as renegade Shepard.

The ultimate proof: the Council approves if you allow Zhu's Hope to die.

Paragon Shepard is an extremely abnormal Spectre.

Modifié par Shandepared, 24 septembre 2010 - 04:25 .


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Godeskian wrote...

I'll admit that my reaction upon meeting the Spectre in LotSB was 'oh great, she's gonna be evil isn't she'. It never actually occurred to me that we might meet a friendly Spectre, because I just don't think it would suit the game.


Didn't help that Bioware telegraphed her being up to something in most of the cutscenes she was in before then, with the closeups of looking sideways at Shepherd, etc...

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Optimystic_X wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...
Well, while I agree with the sentiment, the Citadel has a population of 13.2 million.

13,200,000

Not

X,000,000,000,000

Big difference there. Like, nearly 76 thousand times.


Sigh. I've already corrected that.
My point still stands - there are plenty of people in Council Space (never mind the Galaxy at large) - Spectres are likely spread thin. Encountering just one other, never mind a bunch, is going to be rare.

I did agree with your point, remember. Just not with your math. Posted Image

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Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Godeskian wrote...

I'll admit that my reaction upon meeting the Spectre in LotSB was 'oh great, she's gonna be evil isn't she'. It never actually occurred to me that we might meet a friendly Spectre, because I just don't think it would suit the game.


Didn't help that Bioware telegraphed her being up to something in most of the cutscenes she was in before then, with the closeups of looking sideways at Shepherd, etc...


Agreed. Subtle it was not.

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Godeskian wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Godeskian wrote...

I'll admit that my reaction upon meeting the Spectre in LotSB was 'oh great, she's gonna be evil isn't she'. It never actually occurred to me that we might meet a friendly Spectre, because I just don't think it would suit the game.


Didn't help that Bioware telegraphed her being up to something in most of the cutscenes she was in before then, with the closeups of looking sideways at Shepherd, etc...


Agreed. Subtle it was not.


I actually avoided spoilers for once, and about halfway through the apartment scene, I was... pretty much waiting for her to do a heel turn.

Modifié par Killjoy Cutter, 24 septembre 2010 - 10:48 .


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Oh hey, a fellow troper. Yeah, I actually just assumed she was evil but the moment she gave you those shifty eyes, and you realise that she is a major NPC who is not part of your party, I assumed I'd be killing her at some point.

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come on lets face it the only specter that gets sh*t done is shepard

Modifié par hamtyl07, 24 septembre 2010 - 11:01 .


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Eldareus wrote...

After LotSB, I get a funny feeling that we are going to see several Spectres in the ME3 coming after the Shepard who is consider a rogue spectre with the death of Vasir.


If the Council investigated at all (which one would hope they would after the Saren incident) they would find Vasir was the one blowing up large sections of buildings irrespective of collateral damage, and irrespective of the fact that Shepard (who depending on playthrough might have also been a spectre) being there.

If they were going to simply throw the book at Shepard with no investigation, they could already have done so after he showed up at the Citadel in a Cerberus vessel, with an AI on board, and depending on when, a wanted felon (Jack), and/or a Geth(Legion).

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Moiaussi wrote...

If the Council investigated at all (which one would hope they would after the Saren incident) they would find Vasir was the one blowing up large sections of buildings irrespective of collateral damage...


Yeah, that's well within a Spectre's rights.

Also Shepard wasn't inside when the bomb went off and she never attacked Shepard.

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Eldareus wrote...

After LotSB, I get a funny feeling that we are going to see several Spectres in the ME3 coming after the Shepard who is consider a rogue spectre with the death of Vasir.


She was "corrupted" I say bring it.

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Ok so if there are trillions in Citadel Space, and about 100 spectres. If they're are 5 directly mentioned in the game (Nihlus, Saren, You, Tela Vasir, and Blasto) then I'd say there's probebly the right amount of spectres.

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Blasto is not a real Spectre.

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Shandepared wrote...

Yeah, that's well within a Spectre's rights.

Also Shepard wasn't inside when the bomb went off and she never attacked Shepard.


When Shepard did similar on Vermire, despite the advice coming from a respected STG team with considerably more field experience, he was chastized. When Anderson was set up to take the blame for Saren doing the same, the was turned down as a Spectre candidate. I have trouble believing that protecting the Shadow Broker from a fellow spectre's investigation counts as being in the council's best interests.

She didn't even try to talk Shepard out of it. If she had, the explosion might not have been needed, since its sole purpose was to prevent Liara (and Shepard). Her actions were specificly to thwart the efforts of another Spectre, not the other way round.

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All that's needed is the SB who is now our BFF Liara, sends the info on Vasir to the council and exposes her, thus clearing Shepard. You cannot tell me the council doesn't deal directly with the SB.

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Moiaussi wrote...

When Shepard did similar on Vermire, despite the advice coming from a respected STG team with considerably more field experience, he was chastized.


Chastized, but he wasn't declared rogue. The Council didn't feel he was fit for a mission into the Terminus Systems and when they grounded him it was because Shepard was indicating an unwillingness to follow orders.



Moiaussi wrote...

When Anderson was set up to take the blame for Saren doing the same, the was turned down as a Spectre candidate.


Politics. The Council never wanted him as a Spectre and Ambassador Goyle had walked into a Council trap. She got played. Secondly, Saren's report indicated that Anderson's incompetence nearly botched the operation and necessitated blowing up the refinery.

Modifié par Shandepared, 24 septembre 2010 - 11:37 .


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Mr. Man wrote...

Ok so if there are trillions in Citadel
Space, and about 100 spectres. If they're are 5 directly mentioned in
the game (Nihlus, Saren, You, Tela Vasir, and Blasto) then I'd say
there's probebly the right amount of spectres.

Shandepared wrote...

Blasto is not a real Spectre.


You have just done the equivalent of telling a small child that there is no Santa Claus, Easter Bunny or the Tooth Fairy. :crying: