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[Moiaussi]

Shandepared wrote...

Chastized, but he wasn't declared rogue. The Council didn't feel he was fit for a mission into the Terminus Systems and when they grounded him it was because Shepard was indicating an unwillingness to follow orders.

Politics. The Council never wanted him as a Spectre and Ambassador Goyle had walked into a Council trap. She got played. Secondly, Saren's report indicated that Anderson's incompetence nearly botched the operation and necessitated blowing up the refinery.

True, but I notice you didn't respond to my point that she was acting to thwart Shepard, no the other way around, and this is on a much easier world to properly investigate than either of those other incidents.

[cdzander]

So far, you've only managed to meet up with 3 other Spectres, and all of them are dead. 2 of them by your hand, Saren and Vasir, and the third, Nihilus, dead by Saren, a Spectre at the time. Everytime 2 Spectres meet up, 1 of them eventually ends up killing the other. Maybe the rest see this pattern and work alone, or with their own teams.

[P3G4SU5]

cdzander wrote...

So far, you've only managed to meet up with 3 other Spectres, and all of them are dead. 2 of them by your hand, Saren and Vasir, and the third, Nihilus, dead by Saren, a Spectre at the time. Everytime 2 Spectres meet up, 1 of them eventually ends up killing the other. Maybe the rest see this pattern and work alone, or with their own teams.

A logical conclusion, but I feel that Bioware got a little lazy with the way events played out with Vasir. She was in practically the same situation as Shepard, working with an undesirable group for the greater good. We should have been able to do more with Vasir in terms of dialogue and influence than riddle her with holes. A wasted opportunity Bioware, such a shame. <_<

Modifié par P3G4SU5, 25 septembre 2010 - 12:03 .

[Sajuro]

Shandepared wrote...

I think that using the charm/intimidate options should have avoided the boss battle.

As long as it wasn't convincing her to blow her brains out.

[Nightwriter]

Charm dialogue involves her getting hit with a table from behind.

[Skyblade012]

Shandepared wrote...

Moiaussi wrote...

If the Council investigated at all (which one would hope they would after the Saren incident) they would find Vasir was the one blowing up large sections of buildings irrespective of collateral damage...

Yeah, that's well within a Spectre's rights.

Also Shepard wasn't inside when the bomb went off and she never attacked Shepard.

Even Spectres have limits.  Vasir admits herself that she stepped out of line.  If you question her about the bombing of the trade center, she goes "Oh, but I didn't do that, Cerberus terrorists did.  Who do you think the Council will believe?"  Because she knows the Council would revoke her Spectre status for that.

Had she been on a mission, possibly not, but she wasn't.

Luckily, she didn't get the chance to cover her tracks.



Also, I'm very much hoping and expecting more Spectres.  Since they are "the first and last line of defense" for the Council, when push comes to shove, I expect to see them all out there, fighting alongside each other against the Reapers.  Since LotSB proved that, morality questions aside, they are all pretty much the ultimate galactic badasses, it should be awesome.

Modifié par Skyblade012, 25 septembre 2010 - 12:45 .

[Sajuro]

Shandepared wrote...

Sajuro wrote...

As long as it wasn't convincing her to blow her brains out.

I don't know what the charm dialog is but the renegade one involves hitting her with a table from behind. That should have knocked her down, disarming her and allowing Shepard and Liara to get the disc from her.

Seducing her perhaps? which would make it all the more entertaining when you picked the "I want to talk about us" option in the following scene.

[Frybread76]

If ME3 is the final game in the Shepard saga then I definitely want to see Spectre characters, maybe even some that join your squad at least temporarily if not permanently.

[Nightwriter]

Even Shepard can't seduce a woman out of the blue in the middle of a gunfight.

I can just picture it, them standing there at a deadlock with their guns pointing at each other, a hostage between them.

Then Shepard sidles up and flashes a grin and says, "Hey baby. Come here often? You know, your daddy must have been a baker, because you've got a nice set of - "

[And you can put whatever disaster you like here, I can't decide if Shepard would get shot by Vasir, Liara or the hostage]

[Sajuro]

Nightwriter wrote...

Even Shepard can't seduce a woman out of the blue in the middle of a gunfight.

I can just picture it, them standing there at a deadlock with their guns pointing at each other, a hostage between them.

Then Shepard sidles up and flashes a grin and says, "Hey baby. Come here often? You know, your daddy must have been a baker, because you've got a nice set of - "

[And you can put whatever disaster you like here, I can't decide if Shepard would get shot by Vasir, Liara or the hostage]

Vasir:
Hostage:
Liara: -flays shepard with her mind-
Vasir: Thanks for that, that was awkward.
Liara: Will you help me kill the shadow broker?
Vasir: Sure, not like I have anything better to do.

[PWENER]

Shandepared wrote...

If the original Council died then I'd like to meet some "rogue" Spectres.

I support this.

[JohnnyBeGood2]

MassEffect762 wrote...
Where are all the other Spectres?
Irrelevantville.

yes

[Dean_the_Young]

PWENER wrote...

Shandepared wrote...

If the original Council died then I'd like to meet some "rogue" Spectres.

I support this.

Especially in the case of an all-human Council, in which case all those alien spectres might be having mixed loyalties.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Shandepared wrote...

Alliance intelligence estimates that there are less than a hundred Spectres in total. They should be rare.

Eldareus wrote...

 My guess most spectres are of the
renegade mold willing to accept some collateral damage in the pursuit of
the greater good.

Paragon Shepard is an extremely abnormal Spectre.

There's hardly any real proof of that. You're just assuming that is true. The evidence you mentioned is circumstantial and vauge at best.

[Skyblade012]

Shandepared wrote...

Skyblade012 wrote...

Even Spectres have limits.

Their limits are when they undermine Council interests.

Yeah, like blowing up a trade center to kill one person, while working for someone else.  What would Vasir do next, if the Shadow Broker asked her?

[Nightwriter]

Blowing up that building would only compel the Council to anger if it created more trouble for them than it solved.

For instance - if the building had been a huge cultural center of volus trade, and its destruction incited the volus to rebellion and they were threatening to pull out of their role as galactic economic bookkeepers.

[Dean_the_Young]

Skyblade012 wrote...

Shandepared wrote...

Skyblade012 wrote...

Even Spectres have limits.

Their limits are when they undermine Council interests.

Yeah, like blowing up a trade center to kill one person, while working for someone else.  What would Vasir do next, if the Shadow Broker asked her?

Why should it matter? Shepard could shoot up bars and get away with it even before becoming a Spectre, and could legally execute everyone in said bar afterwards. As long as it has basis, a Spectre is more or less golden.

Vasir has benefited the Council many times, and her means to do it has been the Shadow Broker. Quid pro quo is half of what Spectres do, Paragons and Renegades alike. A Spectre having collateral as they defend their ability to complete the mission is hardly unusual.

[JohnnyBeGood2]

Shandepared wrote...
I think that using the charm/intimidate options should have avoided the boss battle.

I assume that's too much "hot" content that BW feel people really must see...
(and don't get me wrong... I'm not knocking the quality of the Vasir engagement)

Modifié par JohnnyBeGood2, 25 septembre 2010 - 02:15 .