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[Godeskian]

Okay, so you may have saved Maelon's research during Mordin's mission, but it occurred to me that other than a bargaining tool with the Krogan it can't have any real effect on Mass Effect 3.

Even if you hand over the cure at the start of ME3, ther won't be time for it to be distributed and a new generation of Krogan warriors to be born, raised and ready for combat within the likely timeframe of the game. So whatever long term effects there may be from the genophage cure, I can't see how there could be any such effect in ME3 itself.

Am I missing something obvious?

[packardbell]

Depends.. we don't know how long it takes to a Krogan to mature but in the long term, defintely.

[PsyrenY]

Can't it? Mordin's modification took effect within less than a decade.

[Sutamina]

it was stated how the krogan behaved when they did not have the genophage. So I would say yes you are missing something obvious.

[PsyrenY]

Sutamina wrote...

it was stated how the krogan behaved when they did not have the genophage. So I would say yes you are missing something obvious.

True, but that behavior was before the genophage.

(It was also before Wrex.)

[MrnDvlDg161]

The inclusion of Grunt is the solution to the Geno phage, even Mordin said the data couldn't be used for a very long time or that is --- find a cure.



Plus... what... are we going to say that ME3 starts 10 years down the road? Wow! Talk about a very slow moving doomsday! No wonder they don't believe Shepard.

[PsyrenY]

MrnDvlDg161 wrote...
Plus... what... are we going to say that ME3 starts 10 years down the road? Wow! Talk about a very slow moving doomsday! No wonder they don't believe Shepard.

You realize the Reapers are entering the Galaxy solely via FTL drive, right? Even if they're only 10 light years away, that's still a little less than 10 years before they get here (minus time spent discharging their drives) - and 10 light-years isn't that big a distance (The galaxy itself is around 100,000 LY across.) The Dark Space relay linking to the Citadel was their ace in the hole, and the Protheans screwed it before ME1.


That's like having to walk down the highway because your car broke down - and you can't even hitchhike.

Modifié par Optimystic_X, 24 septembre 2010 - 08:10 .

[Anacronian Stryx]

Optimystic_X wrote...

MrnDvlDg161 wrote...
Plus... what... are we going to say that ME3 starts 10 years down the road? Wow! Talk about a very slow moving doomsday! No wonder they don't believe Shepard.

You realize the Reapers are entering the Galaxy solely via FTL drive, right? Even if they're only 10 light years away, that's still a little less than 10 years before they get here (minus time spent discharging their drives) - and 10 light-years isn't that big a distance (The galaxy itself is around 100,00 LY across.) The Dark Space relay linking to the Citadel was their ace in the hole, and the Protheans screwed it before ME1.


That's like having to walk down the highway because your car broke down - and you can't even hitchhike.

In all fairness we have no idea how fast Reaper FTL is or far they are out in dark space - And the Reapers only need to close the distance to the outer most system with a relay to be in business, Bioware could pretty much have them appear whenever they wish.. sneaky bastards.

[Shirosaki17]

Godeskian wrote...

Okay, so you may have saved Maelon's research during Mordin's mission, but it occurred to me that other than a bargaining tool with the Krogan it can't have any real effect on Mass Effect 3.

Even if you hand over the cure at the start of ME3, ther won't be time for it to be distributed and a new generation of Krogan warriors to be born, raised and ready for combat within the likely timeframe of the game. So whatever long term effects there may be from the genophage cure, I can't see how there could be any such effect in ME3 itself.

Am I missing something obvious?

The real question is whether the Krogan can even do anything in this kind of war. As far as I know they are just ground warriors. There is nothing to suggest they are just as strong at ship combat and can build massive fleets quickly.

[Shirosaki17]

Optimystic_X wrote...
You realize the Reapers are entering the Galaxy solely via FTL drive, right?

We don't know how the Reapers are going to enter the Galaxy, but it's pretty safe to say it wouldn't be FTL drive. They may have something faster than that.

[MrnDvlDg161]

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

Optimystic_X wrote...

MrnDvlDg161 wrote...
Plus... what... are we going to say that ME3 starts 10 years down the road? Wow! Talk about a very slow moving doomsday! No wonder they don't believe Shepard.

You realize the Reapers are entering the Galaxy solely via FTL drive, right? Even if they're only 10 light years away, that's still a little less than 10 years before they get here (minus time spent discharging their drives) - and 10 light-years isn't that big a distance (The galaxy itself is around 100,00 LY across.) The Dark Space relay linking to the Citadel was their ace in the hole, and the Protheans screwed it before ME1.


That's like having to walk down the highway because your car broke down - and you can't even hitchhike.

In all fairness we have no idea how fast Reaper FTL is or far they are out in dark space - And the Reapers only need to close the distance to the outer most system with a relay to be in business, Bioware could pretty much have them appear whenever they wish.. sneaky bastards.

Whoah....whoah... wait.... wait...

Think of this then... if your going to say their creeping along at  FTL.  Ok.  Then you would suggest that a Decade goes by...  Whose to say the damn team even exists at that point?  Thane would be dead.  Shepard would have aged 10 years --- so you know...if he was in his 30's and such he would be like a Sam Fisher by then. You would then have to start over from scratch again...

So you know.... becareful here!  You may get a   ME2  redux! 

[MrnDvlDg161]

I certainly hope it just isn't FTL... because wow.



By the time they reach... friggen Shepard would be retired with " little blue kids running around" going --- Reaper what? They done told me I was crazy after 2 years saying so and I was de-commissioned.

[0mar]

The genocide of the Protheans took several centuries. The reapers could already be in the galaxy. It's a big place; all the races in ME have explored less than 1% of the galaxy. There are hundreds, if not thousands, of relays that are unmapped due to the council's prohibition against opening new relays. So, in the grand scheme of things, 10 years is not a lot of time.

[PsyrenY]

Shirosaki17 wrote...

Optimystic_X wrote...
You realize the Reapers are entering the Galaxy solely via FTL drive, right?

We don't know how the Reapers are going to enter the Galaxy, but it's pretty safe to say it wouldn't be FTL drive. They may have something faster than that.

They did - their dark space relay, which the Protheans sabotaged.

I'm not saying it will be 10 years, but neither will they show up *tomorrow.*

Modifié par Optimystic_X, 24 septembre 2010 - 08:30 .

[MrnDvlDg161]

Yes..but you do see the problems then concerning everything that people have feared and/or griped about from ME2 right?

I think its safe to say that a few plot hole digs and some loose science is probably going to be needed to jump start the next party...otherwise it will end up being something totally different and not even worth contemplating.

Think about it --- this is like trying to sell American's to prolong our current war... I mean 8 years and going... while still trying to repeat the boogey man prophesies of extreemists with suit case bombs.  You can't keep that up without much of the public turning off the blow hards and sighn carriers.

In this sense --- it would be Shepard trying to claim that doom is comming...but a doom that will come in the next...10...maybe...20 years...  umm... yeah!  Your all going to die!!! 

Udina:  Get this crazy man out of this hall! 
Anderson:  ....
Turian Councilman ( the one everyone wants to hit in the face):  I rovoke your Specter status and condemn you to a mental health facility on Eden Prime.  A shame what you've become!  Get out !

Modifié par MrnDvlDg161, 24 septembre 2010 - 09:55 .

[ElectronicFerret]

If I had to guess I'd say that the next game gives you a timeline of a year or so. Lots of things are stated within that timeframe if you look throughout the games and read some stuff.



As for the genophage cure (or lack thereof), who knows? It could be something as major as using it as a bargaining chip to get the krogan to back you up when the council and cerberus inevitably drop the ball; it could be something as small as just handing it over postgame and ensuring that the krogan have some hope for the future.

[Brawne]

I think it all comes together:

Saving the krogan genophage cure.

Letting rachni live and grow army.

Rewriting heretic geths instead of wiping them off.

Persuading quarians not to go to war with geth.



I get the feeling that at least in paragon gameplay the Reaper invasion wil be met with united front of rachni, krogan, geth, quarian fleet, alliance and main fleets of council races.

[Zan51]

Mordin says there IS no cure, yet. It will take decades to use this research to make a cure, but it is better than starting from scratch. So no, you don't have a cure.

[Dean_the_Young]

He actually says years later on, not necessarily decades, which is about the same timespan as many of the other delayed-variable choices. Given that we don't know how long a Krogan breeding generation is (as in, how long till newly born Krogan are battle-worthy), we don't have as much to estimate off of.

[AresXX7]

MrnDvlDg161 wrote...

Whoah....whoah... wait.... wait...

Think of this then... if your going to say their creeping along at  FTL.  Ok.  Then you would suggest that a Decade goes by...  Whose to say the damn team even exists at that point?  Thane would be dead.  Shepard would have aged 10 years --- so you know...if he was in his 30's and such he would be like a Sam Fisher by then. You would then have to start over from scratch again...

So you know.... becareful here!  You may get a   ME2  redux! 

Keep in mind humans in the ME unviverse/future live longer. (around 150 years)
IIRC women are still able to give birth up till they're 60. (at least that's what has been said in one of the books)

[PWENER]

It will help win the war. PERIOD.

[PsyrenY]

Zan51 wrote...

Mordin says there IS no cure, yet. It will take decades to use this research to make a cure, but it is better than starting from scratch. So no, you don't have a cure.

He says "years" if he were to start from Maelon's data, and "decades" if Maelon were to start from scratch. Meaning of course, that he could develop a cure using Maelon's head start much faster than Maelon could with nothing.

There is a chance he can have a cure deployed before the Reapers arrive. And considering how quickly the modification took effect, it might even make a difference. (More Krogan might take up arms vs. the Reapers if they realize their numbers can be replenished more quickly.)