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[jbblue05]

Moiaussi wrote...

Shandepared wrote...

jbblue05 wrote...

I'm sensing a cold war between the Alliance and the Turian Heiarchy

Which is a good thing. A cold war will prompt all participants to research new weapons and expand their militaries. Paragons may bring about a lot of trust and good will, but along with that they breed complacency.

Only idiot paragons. With a reaper threat out there, as well as having faced enough other potential threats, there is no room nor reason for complacency. There shouldn't be need for a cold war to keep us on our toes with a hot war at the doorstep.

The turians are starting a cold war because their jealous the Alliance has a larger fleet and is building more dreadnaughts.
The asari are jerks siding with the turians in the cold war

Modifié par jbblue05, 28 septembre 2010 - 11:33 .

[Chuvvy]

Alliance won't do ****. Cerberus can't do ****. They're equabad.

[jbblue05]

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

jbblue05 wrote...

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

mosor wrote...

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

If there was some kind of super weapon at the Collector base they would probably have used it to stop shep rather than being wiped out.. just saying.

I personally don't expect to find a superweapon. Just better than the ones we have now, and we know the collectors had those:) Besides, sometimes even the smallest most innocuous discoveries are the ones that change societies the most, Like discovering penecilin from mould.

The Thanix outgunned the Collector particle beam by orders of magnitude and The Turians got the Thanix.

The Thanix Cannon will be weak against the Reapers.
The Mass Accelerator gun will pwn the Reapers into dark space

And you base this on the fact that whoever invented the Mass Accelerator gun is around to this day?.. oh i forgot they ain't.

Did you forget Cerberus has it

[Anacronian Stryx]

jbblue05 wrote...

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

jbblue05 wrote...

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

mosor wrote...

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

If there was some kind of super weapon at the Collector base they would probably have used it to stop shep rather than being wiped out.. just saying.

I personally don't expect to find a superweapon. Just better than the ones we have now, and we know the collectors had those:) Besides, sometimes even the smallest most innocuous discoveries are the ones that change societies the most, Like discovering penecilin from mould.

The Thanix outgunned the Collector particle beam by orders of magnitude and The Turians got the Thanix.

The Thanix Cannon will be weak against the Reapers.
The Mass Accelerator gun will pwn the Reapers into dark space

And you base this on the fact that whoever invented the Mass Accelerator gun is around to this day?.. oh i forgot they ain't.

Did you forget Cerberus has it

No i don't and that was not my question.

If the Mass Accelerater is the superweapon against the Reapers then how come the people who actualy invented then gun ain't around to this day?

[Moiaussi]

jbblue05 wrote...

But I'm not sure if Paragons would approve of that sense they believe the Collector base should be destroyed

1) Those hulls have survived this long in the galactic core. It seems unlikely that the destruction of the base would damage them that much further, even if they have anything useful on them.

2) it is not a given that they are reaper hulls. With the Collector base there, why wouldn't the reapers have already salvaged anything useful? Since they didn't arm the Collector ship or the base with anything that major, why would they leave anything behind that was any more significant?

3) Given that TIM already seems content to act even against the Alliance (despite being allegedly pro-human), and does not seem to actually have any fleet, how would any such weapons be deployed, exactly? Or are you suggesting Cerberus will wait until it is too late, then try to 'save' us by suggesting refits that are untested on any meaningful scale? Or do you seem to think Cerberus is hiding an even larger fleet of its own in some bad twist of writing?

[Roamingmachine]

As mosor above said, the only one who matters in the final fight is Shepard.I repeat something i've said here before: The reapers cannot be defeated in naval combat by the forces of the galaxy.It'll take a miracle to stop them and that miracle will be provided by Team Shepard.

As side note, i find it disturbing how much the rhetoric used by certain cerberus fanboys is starting to sound like the garbage coming from real-life extremists.Life imitating art or art imitating life?

[Moiaussi]

jbblue05 wrote...

The turians are starting a cold war because their jealous the Alliance has a larger fleet and is building more dreadnaughts.
The asari are jerks siding with the turians in the cold war

As opposed to building more because they just lost major tonnage. They had a much larger fleet than the Alliance before. It isn't a cold war to simply rebuild.

Not to mention, why in blazes would they need the Alliance as an excuse when their fleet has already shown it was inadequate against the first major threat it has faced in millenia?

[jbblue05]

Anacronian Stryx wrote...


No i don't and that was not my question.

If the Mass Accelerater is the superweapon against the Reapers then how come the people who actualy invented then gun ain't around to this day?

Does it matter?
Cerberus has the weapon

TIM suggests it was their last act of defiance before being killed
But who knows

[Moiaussi]

Roamingmachine wrote...

As mosor above said, the only one who matters in the final fight is Shepard.I repeat something i've said here before: The reapers cannot be defeated in naval combat by the forces of the galaxy.It'll take a miracle to stop them and that miracle will be provided by Team Shepard.
As side note, i find it disturbing how much the rhetoric used by certain cerberus fanboys is starting to sound like the garbage coming from real-life extremists.Life imitating art or art imitating life?

If fleets are really 'useless' why do the Reapers worry about the Citadel at all? Why worry about isolating colonies or fleets?

Presumably Shepard will be instrumental, but if there were no defending fleets in ME1, are you saying that Shepard would have been able to defeat the entire Heretic Navy with just the Normandy?

[Anacronian Stryx]

jbblue05 wrote...

Anacronian Stryx wrote...


No i don't and that was not my question.

If the Mass Accelerater is the superweapon against the Reapers then how come the people who actualy invented then gun ain't around to this day?

Does it matter?
Cerberus has the weapon

TIM suggests it was their last act of defiance before being killed
But who knows

So if something didn't work 37 million years ago it is bound to work now?

For all we know the gun could be a one shot thing.

Unless Bioware takes a big fat dump on everything they have told us so far it is extremly unlikely that the Reapers will be defeated though naval might. 

[Moiaussi]

jbblue05 wrote...

Does it matter?
Cerberus has the weapon

TIM suggests it was their last act of defiance before being killed
But who knows

If the weapon is insufficient, why does it matter who has it? Btw, I am still waiting for someone to tell me exactly how it will be deployed, since the information has not been passed to the Alliance nor to any other Navy.

[Moiaussi]

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

So if something didn't work 37 million years ago it is bound to work now?

For all we know the gun could be a one shot thing.

Unless Bioware takes a big fat dump on everything they have told us so far it is extremly unlikely that the Reapers will be defeated though naval might. 

Defeated? No. Slowed? Yes. Losses minimized by fleet actions? Yes. Do you really think that Shepard would have won if there were no fleets defending the Citadel in ME1?

[jbblue05]

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

jbblue05 wrote...

Anacronian Stryx wrote...


No i don't and that was not my question.

If the Mass Accelerater is the superweapon against the Reapers then how come the people who actualy invented then gun ain't around to this day?

Does it matter?
Cerberus has the weapon

TIM suggests it was their last act of defiance before being killed
But who knows

So if something didn't work 37 million years ago it is bound to work now?

For all we know the gun could be a one shot thing.

Unless Bioware takes a big fat dump on everything they have told us so far it is extremly unlikely that the Reapers will be defeated though naval might. 

The gun did work did you see the derelict reaper,

The age of the mass accelerator gun is unknown

[Moiaussi]

jbblue05 wrote...

The gun did work did you see the derelict reaper,

The age of the mass accelerator gun is unknown

The gun worked once. That means it might be useful if deployed. It does not mean it will be instrumental or even useful, and you still have not explained how it would be deployed, even if they actually have a working model, which we have no reason to believe.

[jbblue05]

Moiaussi wrote...

jbblue05 wrote...

Does it matter?
Cerberus has the weapon

TIM suggests it was their last act of defiance before being killed
But who knows

If the weapon is insufficient, why does it matter who has it? Btw, I am still waiting for someone to tell me exactly how it will be deployed, since the information has not been passed to the Alliance nor to any other Navy.

Cerberus has the mass accelerator gun they're still figuting out how to use it .

If the thanix cannon can be installed on a frigate maybe the mass accelerator gun can be installed on a frigate,

But I think the gun is meant for a dreadnaught

[jbblue05]

Moiaussi wrote...

jbblue05 wrote...

The gun did work did you see the derelict reaper,

The age of the mass accelerator gun is unknown

The gun worked once. That means it might be useful if deployed. It does not mean it will be instrumental or even useful, and you still have not explained how it would be deployed, even if they actually have a working model, which we have no reason to believe.

It doesn't mean the gun can't work again
If Cerberus can get the gun operational it will be very useful its better to have the gun did not have it at all

[Asheer_Khan]

Do i sense ID 4 syndrome hovering above this million years old Klendagon "Wunder Waffe"?

[DPSSOC]

Moiaussi wrote...

Shandepared wrote...

jbblue05 wrote...

I'm sensing a cold war between the Alliance and the Turian Heiarchy

Which is a good thing. A cold war will prompt all participants to research new weapons and expand their militaries. Paragons may bring about a lot of trust and good will, but along with that they breed complacency.

Only idiot paragons. With a reaper threat out there, as well as having faced enough other potential threats, there is no room nor reason for complacency.

You mean the threat they believe doesn't exist and the threat they believe defeated?

Moiaussi wrote...
There shouldn't be need for a cold war to keep us on our toes with a hot war at the doorstep.

Ah but you forget, people are stupid.

[Anacronian Stryx]

Moiaussi wrote...

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

So if something didn't work 37 million years ago it is bound to work now?

For all we know the gun could be a one shot thing.

Unless Bioware takes a big fat dump on everything they have told us so far it is extremly unlikely that the Reapers will be defeated though naval might. 

Defeated? No. Slowed? Yes. Losses minimized by fleet actions? Yes. Do you really think that Shepard would have won if there were no fleets defending the Citadel in ME1?

The fleet didn't seem to matter one bit - Sovereign seemed completely invincible until Shep killed him while he possed Sarens form.

Hell Sovereign flew strait though a Turian ship just for fun.

Shep kills Sovereign/Saren - cut to Sovereign who suddenly loses all light and drops from the tower lifeless(nobody shots at it at that point).

Here.

[Moiaussi]

jbblue05 wrote...

Cerberus has the mass accelerator gun they're still figuting out how to use it .

If the thanix cannon can be installed on a frigate maybe the mass accelerator gun can be installed on a frigate,

But I think the gun is meant for a dreadnaught

It is likely either dreadnaught or planet based. If the latter it has major field of fire issues. Either way, you have not explained whose dreadnaughts or planets it would be installed on. You do realize that large scale mass accelerators are weapons you build a ship around, not that you refit a ship with, don't you?

More likely they would be the basis for a new class of ships. When, though, would this weapon be deployed? TIM hasn't offered it to any existing Navy. Is he going to wait until the galaxy is half over-run, just to make sure everyone is 'desperate' enough to accept his leadership, even though that might be too late?

TIM is trying way too hard for a complete Cerberus victory out of fear of sharing victory even with the Alliance. The problem is, that imperils us all.

[Moiaussi]

DPSSOC wrote...

You mean the threat they believe doesn't exist and the threat they believe defeated?

Ah but you forget, people are stupid.

Which is why Shepard should be devoting all his time finding ways to wake them up instead of playing "Master and Commander" with a single Collector cruiser that even the worst case depleted Asari navy should be able to take down.

[Roamingmachine]

Moiaussi wrote...

If fleets are really 'useless' why do the Reapers worry about the Citadel at all? Why worry about isolating colonies or fleets?

Presumably Shepard will be instrumental, but if there were no defending fleets in ME1, are you saying that Shepard would have been able to defeat the entire Heretic Navy with just the Normandy?

The citadel is a shortcut for the reapers to the galaxy, really.Why take the long way around if you don't have to? Same with isolating the colonies.Why make it harder for yourself when you can make sure any resistance will be piecemieal and easily dealt with? Also the isolation makes sure that the trapped species won't be able to seed more colonies during the extermination.It's all about efficency and predictability.

As for the citadel battle, the heretic fleet wasn't really an issue.The reaper was.Without Sovereign, i'm confident that Citadel defences would have been able to deal with the geth fleet.However, a single reaper smashed aside the Csec fleet.Hell, it rammed right through a cruiser while under fire without a scratch.An entire fleet here couldn't even slow it down.The combined firepower of  Arcturus couldn't make a dent on its shields while it could one-shot human cruisers.The only reason that battle was a victory was because Shepard pulled a rabbit out of his hat, and we don't even know what that rabbit was.Sovereigns shields went down suddenly after its avatar was destroyed in the council chambers and it toppled from its perch looking allready quite dead before the defending fleet blew it up.Whatever happened there will be, i think, the key to the reapers' defeat.

With all that in mind, at most i see the role of the fleets as a decoy or a bait for whatever miracle Shepard is going to pull, gathering all of them together.But this is all just speculation.

[Anacronian Stryx]

Moiaussi wrote...

jbblue05 wrote...

Cerberus has the mass accelerator gun they're still figuting out how to use it .

If the thanix cannon can be installed on a frigate maybe the mass accelerator gun can be installed on a frigate,

But I think the gun is meant for a dreadnaught

It is likely either dreadnaught or planet based. If the latter it has major field of fire issues. Either way, you have not explained whose dreadnaughts or planets it would be installed on. You do realize that large scale mass accelerators are weapons you build a ship around, not that you refit a ship with, don't you?

More likely they would be the basis for a new class of ships. When, though, would this weapon be deployed? TIM hasn't offered it to any existing Navy. Is he going to wait until the galaxy is half over-run, just to make sure everyone is 'desperate' enough to accept his leadership, even though that might be too late?

TIM is trying way too hard for a complete Cerberus victory out of fear of sharing victory even with the Alliance. The problem is, that imperils us all.

This - Plus we haven't seen what the spinal-mounted main gun of a Reaper is capable of, I think it's likely that the crater on Kledagon is a result of such a shot.