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[Moiaussi]

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

The fleet didn't seem to matter one bit - Sovereign seemed completely invincible until Shep killed him while he possed Sarens form.

Hell Sovereign flew strait though a Turian ship just for fun.

Shep kills Sovereign/Saren - cut to Sovereign who suddenly loses all light and drops from the tower lifeless(nobody shots at it at that point).

Here.

Been there done that. You seem to be forgetting that there was the majority of Heretic navy there too. How many troop ships worth of Geth do you think Shepard would have been able to take down at once? Keep in mind that the Normandy would have been coming in against them solo too. Eventually the Geth would have locked on to it just from the displacement of the Nebula.

[jbblue05]

Moiaussi wrote...


It is likely either dreadnaught or planet based. If the latter it has major field of fire issues. Either way, you have not explained whose dreadnaughts or planets it would be installed on. You do realize that large scale mass accelerators are weapons you build a ship around, not that you refit a ship with, don't you?

More likely they would be the basis for a new class of ships. When, though, would this weapon be deployed? TIM hasn't offered it to any existing Navy. Is he going to wait until the galaxy is half over-run, just to make sure everyone is 'desperate' enough to accept his leadership, even though that might be too late?

TIM is trying way too hard for a complete Cerberus victory out of fear of sharing victory even with the Alliance. The problem is, that imperils us all.

I don't see why Cerberus can't replicate the weapon.

Why does he have to go to another species Navy for help
If he can build the Normandy SR2  why can't he build a dreadnaught
TIM's going to have to build a prototype  to make sure it works first.
By the time he figures out how to work it the Reapers are going to be on the galaxy's doorstep
How do you know what involvement TIM has with the Alliance.
If TIM is going to share the mass accelerator with anyone it will be the Alliance

[kotor610]

i prefered cerberus over the alliance. while the alliance does have a lot more fiscal resorces at its disposal, it is often overburdened by treaties and red tape. whereas cerberus allows sswift action to be taken with little notification from the enemy.



that being said i do believe that bioware will make the player devise his own team\\ group, judging by the heighten cost of production to produce two parallel plots that would ultimate end in near similar ways. i also believe this based on mass effect retribution which points at a possible separation between Cerberus and commander Shepard(there are others in the book but i do not wish to spoil them in)

[Anacronian Stryx]

Moiaussi wrote...

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

The fleet didn't seem to matter one bit - Sovereign seemed completely invincible until Shep killed him while he possed Sarens form.

Hell Sovereign flew strait though a Turian ship just for fun.

Shep kills Sovereign/Saren - cut to Sovereign who suddenly loses all light and drops from the tower lifeless(nobody shots at it at that point).

Here.

Been there done that. You seem to be forgetting that there was the majority of Heretic navy there too. How many troop ships worth of Geth do you think Shepard would have been able to take down at once? Keep in mind that the Normandy would have been coming in against them solo too. Eventually the Geth would have locked on to it just from the displacement of the Nebula.

And my point is : If shep haven't killed Sovereign while he was in Saren then fleet wouldn't have mattered one bit, Sovereign was going though the citadel/arcturus fleet like candy.

[Anacronian Stryx]

jbblue05 wrote...

Moiaussi wrote...


It is likely either dreadnaught or planet based. If the latter it has major field of fire issues. Either way, you have not explained whose dreadnaughts or planets it would be installed on. You do realize that large scale mass accelerators are weapons you build a ship around, not that you refit a ship with, don't you?

More likely they would be the basis for a new class of ships. When, though, would this weapon be deployed? TIM hasn't offered it to any existing Navy. Is he going to wait until the galaxy is half over-run, just to make sure everyone is 'desperate' enough to accept his leadership, even though that might be too late?

TIM is trying way too hard for a complete Cerberus victory out of fear of sharing victory even with the Alliance. The problem is, that imperils us all.

I don't see why Cerberus can't replicate the weapon.

Why does he have to go to another species Navy for help
If he can build the Normandy SR2  why can't he build a dreadnaught
TIM's going to have to build a prototype  to make sure it works first.
By the time he figures out how to work it the Reapers are going to be on the galaxy's doorstep
How do you know what involvement TIM has with the Alliance.
If TIM is going to share the mass accelerator with anyone it will be the Alliance

It usually takes two years to build just one Dreadnought if you have the founds for one, Cerebus seems to be at their limit of resources just by building one frigate.

Having TIM show up with a fleet of Dreadnoughts all of a sudden seems to be pulling things out of the blue.

[DPSSOC]

Moiaussi wrote...

DPSSOC wrote...

You mean the threat they believe doesn't exist and the threat they believe defeated?

Ah but you forget, people are stupid.

Which is why Shepard should be devoting all his time finding ways to wake them up instead of playing "Master and Commander" with a single Collector cruiser that even the worst case depleted Asari navy should be able to take down.

Hey Ahab had Moby let Shepard have the Collector vessel.  And Shepard tries to wake them up, several times in ME1 alone, they're not responding to it.  So if you can't wake people up you stick with those who've acknowledged the threat and leave the rest to rot.

[Asheer_Khan]

and he welcomes Aria to keep and disseminate the Cerberus research data.

I wonder how she will react when she will get tip from new Shadow Broker abut who killed her daughter... but i can presume that this "cooperation" will end pretty quick...

[jbblue05]

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

jbblue05 wrote...

Moiaussi wrote...


It is likely either dreadnaught or planet based. If the latter it has major field of fire issues. Either way, you have not explained whose dreadnaughts or planets it would be installed on. You do realize that large scale mass accelerators are weapons you build a ship around, not that you refit a ship with, don't you?

More likely they would be the basis for a new class of ships. When, though, would this weapon be deployed? TIM hasn't offered it to any existing Navy. Is he going to wait until the galaxy is half over-run, just to make sure everyone is 'desperate' enough to accept his leadership, even though that might be too late?

TIM is trying way too hard for a complete Cerberus victory out of fear of sharing victory even with the Alliance. The problem is, that imperils us all.

I don't see why Cerberus can't replicate the weapon.

Why does he have to go to another species Navy for help
If he can build the Normandy SR2  why can't he build a dreadnaught
TIM's going to have to build a prototype  to make sure it works first.
By the time he figures out how to work it the Reapers are going to be on the galaxy's doorstep
How do you know what involvement TIM has with the Alliance.
If TIM is going to share the mass accelerator with anyone it will be the Alliance

It usually takes two years to build just one Dreadnought if you have the founds for one, Cerebus seems to be at their limit of resources just by building one frigate.

Having TIM show up with a fleet of Dreadnoughts all of a sudden seems to be pulling things out of the blue.

Cerberus took 2 years to resurrect Shepard that's enough time to build a dreadnought
I said dreadnought not dreadnoughts
Due to the success of rebuilding Shepard, Normany SR2, and the defeat of the Collectors
I'm guessing Cerberus gets a lot more funding..
How would you know if Cerberus set aside resources to build a dreadnought for the mass accelerator gun and nobody knows how much resourves Cerberus has only TIM knows

[Moiaussi]

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

And my point is : If shep haven't killed Sovereign while he was in Saren then fleet wouldn't have mattered one bit, Sovereign was going though the citadel/arcturus fleet like candy.

Which is completely irrelevant in that if the Geth were unopposed, the Reapers were irrelevant. Just because the Reapers were a greater threat does not mean the Geth were no threat. The vast majority of the fleet losses at the Citadel were due to the Geth fleet, not Sovereign.

The existing fleets upgraded as the Normandy has been, especially those vessels designed around the new tech rather than retrfitted to it might not be enough to defeat the Reapers alone, but they could be enough to keep them busy. For everything to hinge solely on a single small unit is foolish.

Writing that equates to 'hi, I'm the hero, everyone else can go home now' is bad writing. Nothing that Shepard did in ME2 other than perhaps Tali's loyalty mission couldn't have been done as well or better by conventional forces.

[jbblue05]

Asheer_Khan wrote...

and he welcomes Aria to keep and disseminate the Cerberus research data.

I wonder how she will react when she will get tip from new Shadow Broker abut who killed her daughter... but i can presume that this "cooperation" will end pretty quick...

TSB will find out how?????  I'm guessing you assume Liara is going to read Mass effect Retribution
Aria is just like an Asari doing anything for credits

[Anacronian Stryx]

jbblue05 wrote...

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

jbblue05 wrote...

Moiaussi wrote...


It is likely either dreadnaught or planet based. If the latter it has major field of fire issues. Either way, you have not explained whose dreadnaughts or planets it would be installed on. You do realize that large scale mass accelerators are weapons you build a ship around, not that you refit a ship with, don't you?

More likely they would be the basis for a new class of ships. When, though, would this weapon be deployed? TIM hasn't offered it to any existing Navy. Is he going to wait until the galaxy is half over-run, just to make sure everyone is 'desperate' enough to accept his leadership, even though that might be too late?

TIM is trying way too hard for a complete Cerberus victory out of fear of sharing victory even with the Alliance. The problem is, that imperils us all.

I don't see why Cerberus can't replicate the weapon.

Why does he have to go to another species Navy for help
If he can build the Normandy SR2  why can't he build a dreadnaught
TIM's going to have to build a prototype  to make sure it works first.
By the time he figures out how to work it the Reapers are going to be on the galaxy's doorstep
How do you know what involvement TIM has with the Alliance.
If TIM is going to share the mass accelerator with anyone it will be the Alliance

It usually takes two years to build just one Dreadnought if you have the founds for one, Cerebus seems to be at their limit of resources just by building one frigate.

Having TIM show up with a fleet of Dreadnoughts all of a sudden seems to be pulling things out of the blue.

Cerberus took 2 years to resurrect Shepard that's enough time to build a dreadnought
I said dreadnought not dreadnoughts
Due to the success of rebuilding Shepard, Normany SR2, and the defeat of the Collectors
I'm guessing Cerberus gets a lot more funding..
How would you know if Cerberus set aside resources to build a dreadnought for the mass accelerator gun and nobody knows how much resourves Cerberus has only TIM knows

That's like saying "How do you know the Mafia haven't got the money and resources to build a aircraft carrier and attack the USA".

Nothing so far seems to point to the fact they got that capability. 

[Moiaussi]

jbblue05 wrote...

Cerberus took 2 years to resurrect Shepard that's enough time to build a dreadnought
I said dreadnought not dreadnoughts
Due to the success of rebuilding Shepard, Normany SR2, and the defeat of the Collectors
I'm guessing Cerberus gets a lot more funding..
How would you know if Cerberus set aside resources to build a dreadnought for the mass accelerator gun and nobody knows how much resourves Cerberus has only TIM knows

One DN was not enough to save the race that first built that gun. What you seem to be suggesting though, is that somehow, unbenownst to anyone, incl the shadowbroker, Cerberus is building and crewing their own entire fleet? Or at least has a facility large enough to build one or more Dreadnaughts that noone seems to know about? In the unlikely event that was true, it might explain why he wants a well protected reaper factory....

[Asheer_Khan]

jbblue05 wrote...

Asheer_Khan wrote...

and he welcomes Aria to keep and disseminate the Cerberus research data.

I wonder how she will react when she will get tip from new Shadow Broker abut who killed her daughter... but i can presume that this "cooperation" will end pretty quick...

TSB will find out how?????  I'm guessing you assume Liara is going to read Mass effect Retribution
Aria is just like an Asari doing anything for credits

"Couple" credits here, "couple" credits there and soon or later she will gather in of clues to give Aria hint about leng.

[Anacronian Stryx]

Moiaussi wrote...

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

And my point is : If shep haven't killed Sovereign while he was in Saren then fleet wouldn't have mattered one bit, Sovereign was going though the citadel/arcturus fleet like candy.

Which is completely irrelevant in that if the Geth were unopposed, the Reapers were irrelevant. Just because the Reapers were a greater threat does not mean the Geth were no threat. The vast majority of the fleet losses at the Citadel were due to the Geth fleet, not Sovereign.

The existing fleets upgraded as the Normandy has been, especially those vessels designed around the new tech rather than retrfitted to it might not be enough to defeat the Reapers alone, but they could be enough to keep them busy. For everything to hinge solely on a single small unit is foolish.

Writing that equates to 'hi, I'm the hero, everyone else can go home now' is bad writing. Nothing that Shepard did in ME2 other than perhaps Tali's loyalty mission couldn't have been done as well or better by conventional forces.

And still if Shep hadn't killed Sovereign the Reaper would have been unstoppable which is my point, I do not believe Naval warfare will decide ME3, IT will probably be used against whatever henchmen the Reapers has at that point, But the Reapers themselves will probably need other kind "measures". 

[Moiaussi]

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

And still if Shep hadn't killed Sovereign the Reaper would have been unstoppable which is my point, I do not believe Naval warfare will decide ME3, IT will probably be used against whatever henchmen the Reapers has at that point, But the Reapers themselves will probably need other kind "measures". 

You figure Shepard will just blow them all up at once ala Independance Day? And that people will go for that? Instead of finding something that gives the fleets the neccessary edge?

I do believe ME3 will be decided by Shepard, but that is not the same as navies being irrelevant. If nothing else key decisions in ME1 (saving the council and sparing the Rachni) and ME2 (Tali's loyalty mission) become essentially pointless if you are right.

[jbblue05]

Asheer_Khan wrote...

jbblue05 wrote...

Asheer_Khan wrote...

and he welcomes Aria to keep and disseminate the Cerberus research data.

I wonder how she will react when she will get tip from new Shadow Broker abut who killed her daughter... but i can presume that this "cooperation" will end pretty quick...

TSB will find out how?????  I'm guessing you assume Liara is going to read Mass effect Retribution
Aria is just like an Asari doing anything for credits

"Couple" credits here, "couple" credits there and soon or later she will gather in of clues to give Aria hint about leng.

Too bad her daughter's killer was 10 feet away and she let him go.
Aria is only going to find out if Kai Leng has a mental breakdown over killing Liselle and gives Aria a teary-confession

But Kai Leng is too badass

[Anacronian Stryx]

Moiaussi wrote...

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

And still if Shep hadn't killed Sovereign the Reaper would have been unstoppable which is my point, I do not believe Naval warfare will decide ME3, IT will probably be used against whatever henchmen the Reapers has at that point, But the Reapers themselves will probably need other kind "measures". 

You figure Shepard will just blow them all up at once ala Independance Day? And that people will go for that? Instead of finding something that gives the fleets the neccessary edge?

I do believe ME3 will be decided by Shepard, but that is not the same as navies being irrelevant. If nothing else key decisions in ME1 (saving the council and sparing the Rachni) and ME2 (Tali's loyalty mission) become essentially pointless if you are right.

I have no idea, I will probably guess that whoever the Reapers shows up with as their henchies are going to be pretty bad and shep will need all the allies and navies he/she can find to even fight those.. the Reapers themselves i haven't got an idea..

Perhaps Klencory has the answer.

[jbblue05]

Moiaussi wrote...

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

And still if Shep hadn't killed Sovereign the Reaper would have been unstoppable which is my point, I do not believe Naval warfare will decide ME3, IT will probably be used against whatever henchmen the Reapers has at that point, But the Reapers themselves will probably need other kind "measures". 

You figure Shepard will just blow them all up at once ala Independance Day? And that people will go for that? Instead of finding something that gives the fleets the neccessary edge?

I do believe ME3 will be decided by Shepard, but that is not the same as navies being irrelevant. If nothing else key decisions in ME1 (saving the council and sparing the Rachni) and ME2 (Tali's loyalty mission) become essentially pointless if you are right.

The Flotilla is garbage the Reapers are going to use them for target practice on their way to real enemies

[Moiaussi]

All that is really needed is an answer to the Reapers' sheilds... and that could end up being as simple as a commando mission to recover that information, possibly with STG cover. The Quarians and/or Geth could come up with a means to use the information (or improve a means to do so),



Everyone else buys time and improves the odds of the Normandy getting through to deploy the weapon/tactic against any given reaper.

[jbblue05]

Moiaussi wrote...

jbblue05 wrote...

Cerberus took 2 years to resurrect Shepard that's enough time to build a dreadnought
I said dreadnought not dreadnoughts
Due to the success of rebuilding Shepard, Normany SR2, and the defeat of the Collectors
I'm guessing Cerberus gets a lot more funding..
How would you know if Cerberus set aside resources to build a dreadnought for the mass accelerator gun and nobody knows how much resourves Cerberus has only TIM knows

One DN was not enough to save the race that first built that gun. What you seem to be suggesting though, is that somehow, unbenownst to anyone, incl the shadowbroker, Cerberus is building and crewing their own entire fleet? Or at least has a facility large enough to build one or more Dreadnaughts that noone seems to know about? In the unlikely event that was true, it might explain why he wants a well protected reaper factory....

I rather have 1 dreadnought with a mass accelerator gun then not have one

WHere did I say or suggest he had an entire fleet? 
If noone can find the location on the Cerberus base I don't see why they can't hide a dreadnought in a remote location.  Less then 1% of the galaxy has been explored
How is it so unlikely for Cerberus to build a dreadnought but they are able to rebuild Shepard and replicate and improve the most advanced warship in the Alliance

[Dean_the_Young]

Or cares.

[Arijharn]

Don't you worry though, Asheer will find out in game and tell Aria!

[Slayer299]

jbblue05 wrote...
Here did I say or suggest he had an entire fleet? 
If noone can find the location on the Cerberus base I don't see why they can't hide a dreadnought in a remote location.  Less then 1% of the galaxy has been explored
How is it so unlikely for Cerberus to build a dreadnought but they are able to rebuild Shepard and replicate and improve the most advanced warship in the Alliance

Are you seriously saying that you think Cerberus actually built a dreadnaught? Building the Normandy 2 was a pretty impressive task, but I can't see Cerberus pulling off building a dreadnaught. It takes the Alliance and Turians 2 years to build *one*! And the cost for each one has to run into the upper billions, and by that I mean over 100 Billion Credits, even for someone like TIM that would be pretty cost prohibitive much less building a spaceyard and hiring the huge amount of people needed to put one together.

[Moiaussi]

Slayer299 wrote...

Are you seriously saying that you think Cerberus actually built a dreadnaught? Building the Normandy 2 was a pretty impressive task, but I can't see Cerberus pulling off building a dreadnaught. It takes the Alliance and Turians 2 years to build *one*! And the cost for each one has to run into the upper billions, and by that I mean over 100 Billion Credits, even for someone like TIM that would be pretty cost prohibitive much less building a spaceyard and hiring the huge amount of people needed to put one together.

Without *anyone* noticing, yet. And it does not matter how large space is if it is being financed /supplied from here... unless he is trying to suggest TIM also has his own cosmic empire of worlds noone knows about but him....