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[Slayer299]

LOL!

[jbblue05]

Slayer299 wrote...

jbblue05 wrote...
Here did I say or suggest he had an entire fleet? 
If noone can find the location on the Cerberus base I don't see why they can't hide a dreadnought in a remote location.  Less then 1% of the galaxy has been explored
How is it so unlikely for Cerberus to build a dreadnought but they are able to rebuild Shepard and replicate and improve the most advanced warship in the Alliance

Are you seriously saying that you think Cerberus actually built a dreadnaught? Building the Normandy 2 was a pretty impressive task, but I can't see Cerberus pulling off building a dreadnaught. It takes the Alliance and Turians 2 years to build *one*! And the cost for each one has to run into the upper billions, and by that I mean over 100 Billion Credits, even for someone like TIM that would be pretty cost prohibitive much less building a spaceyard and hiring the huge amount of people needed to put one together.

When did you become and expert on Dreadnought expenses?
I'm sure Cerberus mobile space station cost upwards in the billions.
I don't see how its impossible for Cerberus to build one dreadnought.
Are you an accouuntant for TIM?

[Moiaussi]

jbblue05 wrote...

When did you become and expert on Dreadnought expenses?
I'm sure Cerberus mobile space station cost upwards in the billions.
I don't see how its impossible for Cerberus to build one dreadnought.
Are you an accouuntant for TIM?

SB practically is. SB had footage from inside that station. Many early Cerberus projects (including Prega) were likely on the Alliance tab, before they were declared rogue.

It is not so much that it is impossible for Cerberus to build a dreadnaught, as it is exceedingly unlikely that it wouldn't be noticed.

You have also dismissed the fact that one such weapon deployed is not likely relevant to winning. That has been tried and failed.

[jbblue05]

Moiaussi wrote...

Slayer299 wrote...

Are you seriously saying that you think Cerberus actually built a dreadnaught? Building the Normandy 2 was a pretty impressive task, but I can't see Cerberus pulling off building a dreadnaught. It takes the Alliance and Turians 2 years to build *one*! And the cost for each one has to run into the upper billions, and by that I mean over 100 Billion Credits, even for someone like TIM that would be pretty cost prohibitive much less building a spaceyard and hiring the huge amount of people needed to put one together.

Without *anyone* noticing, yet. And it does not matter how large space is if it is being financed /supplied from here... unless he is trying to suggest TIM also has his own cosmic empire of worlds noone knows about but him....

Why is it so hard to believe Cerberus can hire private contractors to build a dreadnought in a remote location.in the terminus systems
Are you expecting Cerberus would put a "we're building a dreadnought" sign

Really your not making any sense and your comebacks are just insults

[jbblue05]

Moiaussi wrote...

jbblue05 wrote...

When did you become and expert on Dreadnought expenses?
I'm sure Cerberus mobile space station cost upwards in the billions.
I don't see how its impossible for Cerberus to build one dreadnought.
Are you an accouuntant for TIM?

SB practically is. SB had footage from inside that station. Many early Cerberus projects (including Prega) were likely on the Alliance tab, before they were declared rogue.

It is not so much that it is impossible for Cerberus to build a dreadnaught, as it is exceedingly unlikely that it wouldn't be noticed.

You have also dismissed the fact that one such weapon deployed is not likely relevant to winning. That has been tried and failed.

Where is the footage from inside the Cerberus Base?

It is unlikely anyone would discover TSB's base but look what happened

Cerberus removed SB moles from its organization they don'y have to worry about the SB discovering their dreadnought

Of course the mass accelerator is not going to "win" the war but it would pack a hell of punch one-shotting a Reaper

[Moiaussi]

jbblue05 wrote...

Why is it so hard to believe Cerberus can hire private contractors to build a dreadnought in a remote location.in the terminus systems
Are you expecting Cerberus would put a "we're building a dreadnought" sign

Really your not making any sense and your comebacks are just insults

It isn't something they can just hide under a blanket either. It would require more than just funds, but resources, which means movement of resources, which can be noticed. It also means people. It is really difficult to keep that many people quiet, or even find enough people who actually have expertise in building warships that size who can be trusted.

And what is the point of a single such dreadnaught anyway? If they have the weapon working, which you seem to take as a given, then isn't it far more prudent to share that information so that many more such dreadnaughts can be built? Enough that they may be able to deal with the Reapers head on?

[Slayer299]

Because we're talking about a ship that's going to cost over 100 *Billion* Credits! And we haven't even gotten to *how* Cerberus would pull of getting all the armor, steel, computers and everything else that goes into the construction of a dreadnaught. It is a MASSIVE construction that would literally dwarf anything Cerberus has done (or will ever do) and hiding all those supplies to build the spacedock, the ship itself, housing/feeding/recreation for the thousand or so workers. And that doesn't even cover the broadside (Alliance Mt. Kilimanjaro class DN's have a broadside of 156 mass effect cannons) and whatever other supplemental weapons fill the broadside and chase armaments or even the defensive systems or engines! What about standard maintenance, refit and repair? 

So no, there is pretty much a ZERO possibility of Cerberus building its own dreadnaught. Besides, why would they even *want* one? Cerberus is a mostly covert operation, not a military unto itself.

Modifié par Slayer299, 29 septembre 2010 - 02:33 .

[Moiaussi]

jbblue05 wrote...

Where is the footage from inside the Cerberus Base?

It is unlikely anyone would discover TSB's base but look what happened

Cerberus removed SB moles from its organization they don'y have to worry about the SB discovering their dreadnought

Of course the mass accelerator is not going to "win" the war but it would pack a hell of punch one-shotting a Reaper

Cerberus didn't get all the moles. Only some of them. There is footage from Lazarus base in the SB's surveilance archives. That SB's base was found is precisely my point. It is hard to hide *and* act.

And great, so instead of one shotting multiple reapers, they one shot one, and TIM feels proud of himself as his DN goes down in flames to the rest of the Reaper fleet? What is the point of a single such ship??

[jbblue05]

Moiaussi wrote...

jbblue05 wrote...

Why is it so hard to believe Cerberus can hire private contractors to build a dreadnought in a remote location.in the terminus systems
Are you expecting Cerberus would put a "we're building a dreadnought" sign

Really your not making any sense and your comebacks are just insults

It isn't something they can just hide under a blanket either. It would require more than just funds, but resources, which means movement of resources, which can be noticed. It also means people. It is really difficult to keep that many people quiet, or even find enough people who actually have expertise in building warships that size who can be trusted.

And what is the point of a single such dreadnaught anyway? If they have the weapon working, which you seem to take as a given, then isn't it far more prudent to share that information so that many more such dreadnaughts can be built? Enough that they may be able to deal with the Reapers head on?

It isn't something as noticeable as a mass relay
TSB has a vast network and it was by chance Cerberus gathered useful info.
All that matters is getting the dreadnought built it doesn't matter who goes runs and tells afterwards
The Alliance and the Council aren't going to stop Cerberus if they're in the Terminus systems so who's going to stop them
Cerberus has no problem recruiting people for their cause and are funded by plenty of Corporations who believe in the Cerberus's cause
I'm shocked you don't see the usefulness of a weapon with that much power.
Why are you whining about the mass accelerator gun so much? Are you hoping it can't work
Cerberus has to make sure the weapon works first and its possible they could be co-developing the weapon with the Alliance.

Who cares about the other races they hate Cerberus at least some people in the Alliance are pro cerberus

[jbblue05]

Moiaussi wrote...

jbblue05 wrote...

Where is the footage from inside the Cerberus Base?

It is unlikely anyone would discover TSB's base but look what happened

Cerberus removed SB moles from its organization they don'y have to worry about the SB discovering their dreadnought

Of course the mass accelerator is not going to "win" the war but it would pack a hell of punch one-shotting a Reaper

Cerberus didn't get all the moles. Only some of them. There is footage from Lazarus base in the SB's surveilance archives. That SB's base was found is precisely my point. It is hard to hide *and* act.

And great, so instead of one shotting multiple reapers, they one shot one, and TIM feels proud of himself as his DN goes down in flames to the rest of the Reaper fleet? What is the point of a single such ship??

Cerberus is going to be more cautious now that they know the moles in their organization.
Lazarus project is not the Cerberus Base of Operations
SB base took over 60 years to be found.
Cerberus Base hasn't been found in 26+ years
TSB and TIM can't even get access to the VS profile


You sound like a whiny baby about the mass accelerator gun.  Where is your evidence of a better weapon against a reaper. What is your point complaining about a powerful weapon?

[StarcloudSWG]

A single dreadnaught with a single main gun based on the Thanix/Reaper technology is not going to be sufficient, period.



Several thousand dreadnaughts with main guns like that would be. Cerberus does not have the resources to build several thousand. They barely have the resources to build a frigate like the SR 2.



The SR2 took two years to build. And it was *just* a frigate. Twenty years from now Cerberus might have *a* Dreadnaught, assuming that it wasn't discovered in the process of being built.

[jbblue05]

Slayer299 wrote...

Because we're talking about a ship that's going to cost over 100 *Billion* Credits! And we haven't even gotten to *how* Cerberus would pull of getting all the armor, steel, computers and everything else that goes into the construction of a dreadnaught. It is a MASSIVE construction that would literally dwarf anything Cerberus has done (or will ever do) and hiding all those supplies to build the spacedock, the ship itself, housing/feeding/recreation for the thousand or so workers. And that doesn't even cover the broadside (Alliance Mt. Kilimanjaro class DN's have a broadside of 156 mass effect cannons) and whatever other supplemental weapons fill the broadside and chase armaments or even the defensive systems or engines! What about standard maintenance, refit and repair? 

So no, there is pretty much a ZERO possibility of Cerberus building its own dreadnaught. Besides, why would they even *want* one? Cerberus is a mostly covert operation, not a military unto itself.

You doubt Cerberus's resources.  I mean please tell me exactly how much resources Cerberus has?
You know every experiment Cerberus is up to

If Cerberus can vuild a mobile space station I don't see how its impossible to build dreadnought

How much do you think the eezo core costs in the Normandy SR2?
Do you know it costs 120 billion credits to power Normandy's stealth systems?

[Moiaussi]

jbblue05 wrote...

You sound like a whiny baby about the mass accelerator gun.  Where is your evidence of a better weapon against a reaper. What is your point complaining about a powerful weapon?

If you don't understand the difference between one cerberus DN armed with such a weapon, and entire allied fleets armed with such weapons, there really is no point in discussing this any further with you.

It is not being a 'whiny baby' to point out that 2 is twice as good as 1, and that 10 is ten times as good as 1.

[jbblue05]

Moiaussi wrote...

jbblue05 wrote...

You sound like a whiny baby about the mass accelerator gun.  Where is your evidence of a better weapon against a reaper. What is your point complaining about a powerful weapon?

If you don't understand the difference between one cerberus DN armed with such a weapon, and entire allied fleets armed with such weapons, there really is no point in discussing this any further with you.

It is not being a 'whiny baby' to point out that 2 is twice as good as 1, and that 10 is ten times as good as 1.

Their is no point to this coverstaion anymore since you fail to realize that having only 1 mass accelerator gun is still a significant advantage

Modifié par jbblue05, 29 septembre 2010 - 04:22 .

[Slayer299]

jbblue05 wrote...
You doubt Cerberus's resources.  I mean please tell me exactly how much resources Cerberus has?
You know every experiment Cerberus is up to

If Cerberus can vuild a mobile space station I don't see how its impossible to build dreadnought

How much do you think the eezo core costs in the Normandy SR2?
Do you know it costs 120 billion credits to power Normandy's stealth systems?

Yes, I do doubt that Cerberus has the resources to pull that sort of construction off and without anyone noticing. Building a mobile space station is not the same thing as building a DN, it's like comparing apples to spark plugs.

No, I can't tell you exactly what resources Cerberus has, obviously. Howe many DN's do you know of that weren't built by a major power? There is a reason for that, its the cost in weapons, armor, electronics, trained personnel and as I mentioned the maintenance and repair of said ship. So tell me, where is Cerberus going to get 4000 or so (+/- 1000, i'm estimating here based on the DA crew which is 10K and the largest DN ever) crewmen? And with all of Cerberus' resources they'll just have a handy dandy group of few thousand or so experienced shipbuilders, weapons crew, electronics techs, etc,  lying about and none of them are going to talk /boast about anything?

And you've proven my point with the cost for the Normandy 2's stealth systems, the Cerberus supporters are just going to fork over another 300-400 Billion credits a year on top of what's being spent for the Normandy?

[enayasoul]

i agree the weapons issue has been beaten to death, lets refocus on the main topic... What kind of evidence do you suppose Cerberus was hiding that will take a whole year for EDI to decypher... we know that the alliance could be in serious trouble starting interseller war, is this with the terminus systems ie the bartarians especially or is more that *guessing* the reapears.... they knew all along?

Modifié par enayasoul, 29 septembre 2010 - 04:45 .

[Slayer299]

jbblue05 wrote...

Moiaussi wrote...

jbblue05 wrote...

You sound like a whiny baby about the mass accelerator gun.  Where is your evidence of a better weapon against a reaper. What is your point complaining about a powerful weapon?

If you don't understand the difference between one cerberus DN armed with such a weapon, and entire allied fleets armed with such weapons, there really is no point in discussing this any further with you.

It is not being a 'whiny baby' to point out that 2 is twice as good as 1, and that 10 is ten times as good as 1.

Their is no point to this coverstaion anymore since you fail to realize that having only 1 mass accelerator gun is still a significant advantage

jbb, how is having 1 me cannon a significant advantage? I would agree that having more of them would be a significant advantage since you're not putting all your eggs into 1 basket and it would increase the survival odds of the ships going up against the Reapers. If you lose that 1 DN with your superweapon you cant cry foul and ask the Reapers to 'hold on while I build another'

So your DN manages to kill a Reaper or two, don't you think the others will notice?

Reaper1 = Hey Fred, have you heard from Sam lately? I didn't see him at the Policeman's Ball last week.
Reaper2 = Nah, I haven't heard from him since he hit the Alpha Draconis system to clean it out.
Reaper1 = That's weird, Sam never misses a dance with free food. You wanna to check it out and see?
Reaper2 = Sure, sounds good.

[AntiChri5]

[quote]How are his spies better then TIM? That's what I'm asking

TIM has a powerful information network if he can put events into place to eliminate TSB 

TSB has a more vast network but how relevant is it to stopping the Reapers?[/quote]

The Shadow Broker is an established institution of galactic politics. Every day he buys and sells secrets that could topple nations. TSB is one of the most powerful entities in the galaxy. How can The Shadow Broker's superior info network be irrelevent, yet TIM inferior resources and network be relevent?

[quote]Did you see how overwhelmed Liara look when she got Cerberus's data on TSB its obvious she was nowhere as close as she thought she was.

Your just hoping Cerberus can be irrelevant.[/quote]

TIM only provided one piece of the puzzle. A crucial piece, but just the one. You are just hoping Cerberus can be relevant, when they are only an ally of last resort in ME 2.  Now, they have been crippled, and the organisation whittled down to about 20 - 30 fanatics on one space station and TIM's bank acount.

[quote]You think Cerberus wouldn't investigate TSB further.  Why would Cerberus call it quits and leave the rest up to Shepard.[/quote]

Yes, why would they rely on their most powerful and effective operative who has a personal grudge against the target?

[quote]Bugs?  You mean the SB moles in Cerberus that Cerberus cleaned out.  If TSB beat team at his own game why it TSB dead and TIM is still alive?  If TSB knows the exact location of Cerberus' base why hasn't  Liara attack the cerberus base or pass in the info to Shepard? [/quote]

Do you even read what people write? I was reffering to the bugs TSB still has placed on several very important Cerberus operations.  TSB does not know where TIM is, i never said that. I said that Cerberus's information against TSB is now useless as TSB knows everything TIM knows about TSB since TIM gave that information to TSB in order to maxamise her chances of success.

[quote]You're forgetting the part where Cerberus knows Liara's location. It doesn't matter how long TSB build up his network Liara is a noob SB.  Again I don't see how her ability to start a war is going to stop the Reapers that would be counterproductive  I'm sure TIM can topple the Alliance with all his connections to them..[/quote]

The information on the base was gathered by Sekat, not Cerberus, and Liara has been an information broker for two years, and many people have pointed out how good she is at it. And now she has a better network then TIM. Her ability to start a war is very relevant, it shows that she has a massive amount of influence with different governments, whih TIM does not. You seriously dont see how starting a war (mobilising several armies and fleets) could be beneficial if you are trying to win a war?

[quote]Judging by ME2 and Retribution I would say he clearly wants to stop the Reapers. Why would TIM believe them after they made a human reaper and kidnapped and killed tens of thousands of humans[/quote]

He doesnt want to stop the Reapers, he wants humanity to survive them. We dont know if he would cut a deal. Thats the problem, he cant be trusted. We know he doesnt care how many humans die so long as the species itself survives.

[quote]Do you really think all the power Liara has at the tips of her fingers isn't going to change her?  Or are you hoping she stays Paragon[/quote]

Oh no! She may possibly one day be as untrustworthy as TIM if her personality changes completely! Well, we better ignore her and trust TIM!

[quote]Are you sure he doesn't have resources he was pratically throwing millions of credits at Aria.

Shepard says so and if you know anything about the Council they don't trust anyone in a position of power.

The SB is well-known and powerful.  Why does TSB hide in a lightning storm in the Terminus Systems if the Council didn't have a problem with him.  [/quote]

What the Council thinks of the SB is irrelevant, they have been doing deals with him (as all successful politicians do) for centuries. TSB is an institution of galactic politics. Why shouldnt TSB have an undiscoverable well fortified base?

[quote]Have you noticed aliens who call Cerberus anti-alien can't even point to a specific reason why?

Those turians are idiots if they believe two humans claiming Kai Leng is Cerberus without proof. If anything they should believe that all 3 are part of Cerberus[/quote]

Yes they can. Cerberus's own stated policies. Cerberus has never made a secret of it's goals. They arent idiots if they are right, and you are trying to ignore my point. Kai lost because of Cerberus's reputation.

[quote]It doesn't matter if the Council doesn't trust you for working with Cerberus they are stilll sitting with theirs thumbs up their asses.  Not working with Cerberus anymore isn't going to make them automatically believe in the Reapers.[/quote]

Yes, it matters. The resources the council have at their disposal dwarf that of Cerberus by a monumental amount. Persuading the council  will be fsr easier if you arent working for their enemy.

[quote]TIM didn't run away he was going to go down in a blaze of glory but Kai Leng saved his ass. TIM even killed a Turian[/quote]

Yeah, he didnt run away right up until the part where he ran away. Wow! He managed to kill one turian! WOW!

[quote]Cerberus would send their own people to keep tabs on Shepard to  make sure Shepard succeeds.  

Why would Cerberus sit back and do nothing?[/quote]

Have you met Miranda? Cerberus would sit back and do nothing because their plans are already in motion.

[quote]Why not watch Shepard    Kai Leng was stalking Grayson for a couple of days.[/quote]

Because watching a recovering drug addict working for a crime boss is the exact same thing as watching the savior of humanity, unstoppable war hero with his own stealth frigate)

[quote]Liara is being watched which is *hint* *hint* means they know where she is 

Don't forget nobody but Liara, Feron, Shepard,  and 3rd squad member knows Liara's new identity [/quote]

She is not literraly being watched. The only possible explanation for Cerberus literally watching her is she installed bugs on her new ship for them just so they could secretly watch her, which is absurd. Remember, TIM dis not know TSB was a Yahg, that means Cerb does not have a way to actually literraly watch the Shadow Broker. Her activities are being monitered.

Your second sentence reinforces my point. She is well protected by her secrecy.

[quote]TIM gives you the feeling that he knows more then he is  letting on.  Especially that mass accelerator gun[/quote]

That gun will be of minimal assistance.

[quote]Are you just hoping it won't work so Cerberus is irrelevant.  Its obvious Bioware has big plans for that gun[/quote]

We know it didnt work because they lost to the Reapers. They managed to take out one Reaper with it, which is something we have already done.

[quote]This gun is not similar to Thanix Cannon  the mass accelerator gun ripped a reaper in half with a glancing blow!!! and created the Great Rift on Klengdagon.  Which is a lot more powerful then the thanix cannon Shepard used on the Collector cruiser.[/quote]

The gun is Mass Effect technology. Which we already have and which the Reapers want us to have so we do not develop other weapons. Remember the chat with Soveriegn? The Thanix cannon, on the other hand, is the same weapon the Reapers themselves use. Suggesting that that gun is superior to the Thanix is saying the Reapers made sure we would develop one type of weapon and then use one that is inferior themselves. It doesnt make sense.

[quote]Cerberus recovered that weapon and they believe theyy can get it operational again[/quote]

No they dont. They believe they can reverse engineer something useful from it.

[quote]Evidence?Or are you just hoping she's doing an amazing job[/quote]

Everyone you ask about her performance as an information broker on Ilium says she is doing a good job.

[quote]You forgetting the part where Cerberus is spying on her.

If you cut ties with Cerberus  and Cerberus retaliates killing Liara you have no intel.   Not to mention Kai Leng is one of the best assasins [/quote]

Cerberus is monitering her activities. I doubt they could even get anybody onto the ship. If Cerberus kills Liara Shepard will kill them. Kai Leng isnt as good as Thane, and he can provide a great deal of information on how to make her unassassinateable (refer to his comments on the Citadel).

[quote]Tim's not stupid he knows if Liara and Shepard killed the SB it is highly likely an unloyal Shepard would keep the data and screw TIM over again.[/quote]

Thats still a victory for TIM.

[quote]LOTSB is before Retribution.  TIM can easily recruit people for his cause[/quote]

Not so easily. Refer to Edi's comments on Cerberus agents.

[quote]Or you're blind if you can't see the holes in the story

Its too perfect that Liara becomes TSB while Cerberus just sits back and let it happen.



It makes zero sense to send Shepard after TSB when a more loyal Kai Leng is just as suitable for the job[/quote]

You are seeing what you want to, not what is there. Kai Leng was not more suitable for the job, if he was TIM would have sent him. By your argument he should have sent Kai Leng to take down the Collectors instead of Shepard. You are ignoring the fact that Shepard is simply better.

[Asheer_Khan]

Arijharn wrote...

Don't you worry though, Asheer will find out in game and tell Aria!

You bet, and i hope that i will have chance to deliver leng to her... whatever she will do with him is not my business after all.

[Moiaussi]

AntiChri5 wrote...

TSB does not know where TIM is, i never said that.

You might not have, but I will at least suggest TSB does know. How would the Illusive Man's Dossier have details of which women were seeing him if there was no way to confirm it was TIM they were seeing?

[ThisIsMadness91]

Shandepared wrote...

Moiaussi wrote...

Only idiot paragons.

The only kind of paragon.

Of course, Renegades are super geniuses who never do anything wrong.

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Or cares.

I'm sure that if anyone passes that info on to her, she'll find it very useful.

[Dean_the_Young]

ThisIsMadness91 wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Or cares.

I'm sure that if anyone passes that info on to her, she'll find it very useful.

To Liara? Sure. But the moment she hands it over to Aria, it stops being useful. She can maybe trade it to Aria for a favor once, or she can string out a better deal from Cerberus to withhold it.

Simply getting the data, if she ever does, doesn't mean she'll hand it over to Aria simply to hurt Cerberus. Aria and Cerberus have a past, not Liara and Cerberus.

[Asheer_Khan]

Liara have no reasons to "protect" tim and leng from Aria especially when Shepard cut ties with cerberus in C-base.



Like i says, Liara or Shepard could simply pass over that information to Aria, what she will do with that knowledge is her own business.



beside i am more than sure that in SB data banks is in off dirt to keep timmy on short leash, so Liara won't need to keep info about leng to blackmailing tim and his petty organization.

[jbblue05]

Slayer299 wrote...

jbblue05 wrote...
You doubt Cerberus's resources.  I mean please tell me exactly how much resources Cerberus has?
You know every experiment Cerberus is up to

If Cerberus can vuild a mobile space station I don't see how its impossible to build dreadnought

How much do you think the eezo core costs in the Normandy SR2?
Do you know it costs 120 billion credits to power Normandy's stealth systems?

Yes, I do doubt that Cerberus has the resources to pull that sort of construction off and without anyone noticing. Building a mobile space station is not the same thing as building a DN, it's like comparing apples to spark plugs.

No, I can't tell you exactly what resources Cerberus has, obviously. Howe many DN's do you know of that weren't built by a major power? There is a reason for that, its the cost in weapons, armor, electronics, trained personnel and as I mentioned the maintenance and repair of said ship. So tell me, where is Cerberus going to get 4000 or so (+/- 1000, i'm estimating here based on the DA crew which is 10K and the largest DN ever) crewmen? And with all of Cerberus' resources they'll just have a handy dandy group of few thousand or so experienced shipbuilders, weapons crew, electronics techs, etc,  lying about and none of them are going to talk /boast about anything?

And you've proven my point with the cost for the Normandy 2's stealth systems, the Cerberus supporters are just going to fork over another 300-400 Billion credits a year on top of what's being spent for the Normandy?

Your very opinionated your not even using facts.  Their is no way to beat an opinion with an opinion.  Support your reasons with facts.  Stop saying I don't think their is no way Cerberus can do that?  If you know how much resources Cerberus has give facts?  If  building a dreadnought is impossible for Cerberus give facts?

If you can't give facts stop saying its impossiblle.because it doesn't prove anything.  It is likely TSB doesn't know everything Cerberus is up to there is no mention in SB files about the mass accelerator gun. or the derelict Reaper

[Dean_the_Young]

And, of course, the minor detail that Cerberus was able to trigger the Broker's fall, not the other way around.