[quote]AntiChri5 wrote...
The Shadow Broker is an established institution of galactic politics. Every day he buys and sells secrets that could topple nations. TSB is one of the most powerful entities in the galaxy. How can The Shadow Broker's superior info network be irrelevent, yet TIM inferior resources and network be relevent?
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TSB may have more spies but that doesn't mean he has better spies it just means has more at his disposal. Judging by LOTSB he has about 12-15 when they call SB to find out while the power went down. But who knows?
How does TSB ability to topple nations is going to stop the Reapers? Its a weak point to stop using it
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TIM only provided one piece of the puzzle. A crucial piece, but just the one. You are just hoping Cerberus can be relevant, when they are only an ally of last resort in ME 2. Now, they have been crippled, and the organisation whittled down to about 20 - 30 fanatics on one space station and TIM's bank acount.
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If you read Mass Effect Retribution Cerberus is relevant to stopping the Reapers. Are you sure all of Cerberus's projects were shut down. TIM has connections he'll easily rebuild like Liara will settle in as TSB. Still doesn't prove their irrelevant
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Yes, why would they rely on their most powerful and effective operative who has a personal grudge against the target?
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I'm sensing sarcasm
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Do you even read what people write? I was reffering to the bugs TSB
still has placed on several
very important Cerberus operations. TSB does not know where TIM is, i never said that. I said that Cerberus's information against TSB is now useless as TSB knows everything TIM knows about TSB since TIM gave that information to TSB in order to maxamise her chances of success.
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You mean the bugs Cerberus is getting rid of. You said Cerberus base so you did say he knows where TIM is.
I wouldn't say Cerberus has uselees intel on TSB they know Liara's new role they know the location of the ship.
You do realize when TSB ship lost power its an oppurtune time to hack their systems. How else would Cerberus find out about the moles in their organization
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The information on the base was gathered by Sekat,
not Cerberus, and Liara has been an information broker for two years, and many people have pointed out how good she is at it. And now she has a better network then TIM. Her ability to start a war is very relevant, it shows that she has a massive amount of influence with different governments, whih TIM does not. You seriously dont see how starting a war (mobilising several armies and fleets) could be beneficial if you are trying to
win a war?
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Cerberus could've easily sent their own people to trail Shepard or sent a scout team before Shepard. Why do you assume that Liara, and Shepard are the only ones who know about the TSB base. Liara can't control governments into fighting the Reapers. She only knows their dirty secrets to blackmail them. It sounds so stupid that she can go to the Alliance and say I know your dirty secret if you don't want me to tell anyone mobilize your fleets to fight the Reapers.
Do you know how stupid that sounds.[quote]
He doesnt want to stop the Reapers, he wants humanity to survive them. We dont know if he would cut a deal. Thats the problem, he cant be trusted. We know he doesnt care how many humans die so long as the species itself survives.[/quote]
Cerberus has done more to stop the Reapers then TSB or Liara has. Its not the smartest thing to cut ties with someone who has been helpful to you to stop the Reapers and hope that Liara can be just as useful or more when she's new to how the SB operates. We don't know if Liara would cut a deal to save the Asari homeworld. You have a very weak argument
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Oh no! She may possibly one day be as untrustworthy as TIM if her personality changes completely! Well, we better ignore her and trust TIM!
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Sarcasm not funny. Liara is going to change for better or worse with all that power. Look at what happens to Udina and Anderson in ME2
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What the Council thinks of the SB is irrelevant, they have been doing deals with him (as all successful politicians do) for centuries. TSB is an institution of galactic politics. Why shouldnt TSB have an undiscoverable well fortified base?
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If TSB was so loved why not park his base right next to the Citadel at least TSB will have the protection of the Citadel fleet.
TSB is a necessary evil but I bet politicians would love to tear it down because it puts them in a no-win situation
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Yes they can. Cerberus's own stated policies. Cerberus has never made a secret of it's goals. They arent idiots if they are right, and you are trying to ignore my point. Kai lost because of Cerberus's reputation.[/quote]
Those turians did business with Kai Leng earlier. Kai Leng didn't have a Cerberus business card on him. So those Turians are idiots believing Anderson's word.
So what if Kai Leng woke up and said no their really part of Cerberus?
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Yes, it matters. The resources the council have at their disposal dwarf that of Cerberus by a monumental amount. Persuading the council will be fsr easier if you arent working for their enemy.
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That's not my point.
Judging by ME1 and 2 the Council doesn't believe you. You think they are going to believe the Reapers if you tell them I quit Cerberus and I'm working with TSB now
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Yeah, he didnt run away
right up until the part where he ran away. Wow! He managed to kill one turian! WOW
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You do know it was a suprise attack TIM only had 2 guards to protect him against 6 turians and those 2 guards droppedd like flies. You want TIM to charge head first into 6 turians with a pistol
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Have you met Miranda? Cerberus would sit back and do nothing because their plans are already in motion.
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That makes no sense in the Lazarus Project Miranda had to foward all data to TIM and TIM has spy programs on Lazarus station. Cerberus would watch Shepard the whole time when Shepard assaulted TSB base
[quote]Because watching a recovering drug addict working for a crime boss is the exact same thing as watching the savior of humanity, unstoppable war hero with his own
stealth frigate)
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Their is more reason to watch Shepard because Shepard's task is more important. The stealth frigate Cerberus is tracking.
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She is not
literraly being watched. The only possible explanation for Cerberus literally watching her is she installed bugs on her new ship for them just so they could secretly watch her, which is absurd. Remember, TIM dis not know TSB was a Yahg, that means Cerb does not have a way to actually literraly watch the Shadow Broker. Her activities are being monitered.
Your second sentence reinforces my point. She is well protected by her secrecy.
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What more is there to say the mission sumary tells you she's being watched. Your reasons are just hopeful that she isn't.
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That gun will be of minimal assistance.
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Maybe,maybe not but we know the gun can kill a reaper in one-shot
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We
know it didnt work because they lost to the Reapers. They managed to take out one Reaper with it, which is something we have already done.
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Are you blind did you see the damage it did to the Derelict Reaper. The gun was most likely finished when the war with the Reapers was already lost.
The death of Sovereign was pure luck not superior naval firepower.
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The gun is Mass Effect technology.
Which we already have and which the Reapers want us to have so we do not develop other weapons. Remember the chat with Soveriegn? The Thanix cannon, on the other hand, is the same weapon the Reapers themselves use. Suggesting that that gun is superior to the Thanix is saying the Reapers made sure we would develop one type of weapon and then use one that is inferior themselves. It doesnt make sense.
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You do know the Reapers have more weapons then just the Thanix cannon the weapon on their spine could be a mass accelerator gun.
The reapers didn't expect Sovereign to be killed or for anyone to find the Collector Base
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No they dont. They believe they can reverse engineer something useful from it.
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And this is a bad thing how?
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Everyone you ask about her performance as an information broker on Ilium says she is doing a good job.
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I asked How is she doing an amazing job as SB?" not what she did on Illium stop avoiding the question
[quote]Cerberus is monitering her activities. I doubt they could even get anybody onto the ship. If Cerberus kills Liara Shepard will kill them. Kai Leng isnt as good as Thane, and he can provide a great deal of information on how to make her unassassinateable (refer to his comments on the Citadel).[/quote]
If Shepard and Liara can infiltrate the SB base how is it impossile for anyone else? Don't forget Feron is a Cerberus agent.
Their is no way to prove Kai Leng is better then Thane because one was trained at the age of 6 and the other has N7 training. But it doesn't matter if Liara is killed because Shepard would have no source of intel
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Thats still a victory for TIM.
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You really don't see how stupid it is for TIM to send an unloyal Shepard after the SB?
Your only happy that Liara is the SB you don't even care about the holes in the story.
[quote]Not so easily. Refer to Edi's comments on Cerberus agents.
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So how many members did Cerberus lose on the Lazarus project. Project Overlord and the Derelict Reaper.
Approximately 400-500 people.
EDI says 150 but that's probably official crew not unofficial.
If you save the base you see about a dozen ships headed to the Collector base.
Your telling me Cerberus sent its entire Crew to the Collector Base
[quote]Or you're blind if you can't see the holes in the story
Its too perfect that Liara becomes TSB while Cerberus just sits back and let it happen.
It makes zero sense to send Shepard after TSB when a more loyal Kai Leng is just as suitable for the job[/quote]
You are seeing what you want to, not what is there. Kai Leng was
not more suitable for the job, if he was TIM would have sent him. By your argument he should have sent Kai Leng to take down the Collectors instead of Shepard. You are ignoring the fact that Shepard is simply
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You're the one seeing what you want to see.
You got this notion in your head that only Shepard can get things done.and everybody is else is incompetent
Kai Leng has N7 training just like Shepard.
The biggest thing Shepard did was have two teammates kill Reaper Saren.
Kai Leng was unarmed and unarmored fighting reaper Grayson distracting it long enough for Anderson to get the kill-shot
Their is no proof Shepard is better then Kai Leng the only thing Shepard has over Kai Leng is the Prothean vision.
Kai Leng is just as suitable to take down TSB you don't need Shepard's prothean vision to take down SB.
Kai Leng and a group of Cerberus Commandos would have done the job.
Let me guess Kai Leng doesn't have regenerating health so Shepard is better
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